Despite the number of threads that we have going about the upcoming election, none have really compared the economic plans of the candidates, which we can just go ahead and consider to be McCain and Obama. I'm just curious to hear everyone's thoughts, as it seems that most discussions on TWW end up being about foreign policy, Iraq, and interpreting gaffes as indications of competence.

This was all inspired by a poll done by CNBC today:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/24949054/site/14081545/

6/3/2008 7:14:32 PM

Mitt Romney. by a loooooooooooong shot.


ok, well if it has to be a pres candidate and not his VP pick.. i really don't know who to pick. none of them have proven they know jack about running a decent economy.

6/3/2008 7:24:20 PM

Mitt Ronmey because he will give so much corporate welfare it makes the democrats look like Ronald Regan all while raping and pillaging the environment in the name of the All Mighty Dollar. Sickening.

6/3/2008 7:33:15 PM

outside of fiscal stimulus and deregulation, what tools/powers could the president use to actually help the economy? Perhaps the question should be, which candidate would do the least damage?

6/3/2008 7:56:28 PM

paging eyedrb

6/3/2008 8:06:33 PM

Tom Tancredo.

He'd turn illegal immigrants into a viable fuel source.

6/3/2008 8:18:09 PM

^LOL

I gotta think that McCain would cause the least damage to the economy. Obama's massive spending proposals could be disasterous.

6/3/2008 8:22:31 PM

Ron Paul (in the long run)

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 8:26 PM. Reason : jank]

6/3/2008 8:26:23 PM

^ maybe

at least a tempered version of his overall philosophy would be. i don't think i'm down with the gold standard deal.

^^ my thoughts, too

also, did not the DJIA take a big shit at least once on good news for Obama?



on a side note, who the fuck voted for either Obama or Clinton in that online poll? I mean, if you prefer them as a candidate, that's one thing, but how could anyone think either of them would be "best for business"?

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 9:07 PM. Reason : asfasdafds]

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 9:08 PM. Reason : asdfasdfasd]

6/3/2008 9:05:52 PM

^better for running a corperation? no

better for the economy overall? yes

see: Europe

6/3/2008 9:17:07 PM

Based on Bill's record, picking Hillary doesn't seem unreasonable. Corporations thrived during the dude's reign.

6/3/2008 9:18:56 PM

you can't compare the European economy to the American economy

it's a completely different mindset and work ethic over there

implementing European type policies just won't work the same over here

6/3/2008 9:19:21 PM

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"Mitt Ronmey because he will give so much corporate welfare it makes the democrats look like Ronald Regan all while raping and pillaging the environment in the name of the All Mighty Dollar. Sickening. "

Here is an interesting read for you sir. Times article on ending all corporate taxes. Good read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/business/01view.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Anyone have the graph of the spending proposals? That would end this discussion quickly.



[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 9:44 PM. Reason : found it.]

6/3/2008 9:26:27 PM

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"on a side note, who the fuck voted for either Obama or Clinton in that online poll? I mean, if you prefer them as a candidate, that's one thing, but how could anyone think either of them would be "best for business"? "

i was thinking the same thing

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"see: Europe"

lol europe is not doing as well as people think

6/3/2008 10:04:52 PM

i would like to see some WPA programs dedicated to rebuilding our infrastructure

6/3/2008 10:07:39 PM

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"Cherokee: lol europe is not doing as well as people think"

Agreed. I'd shoot myself if I was unfortunate enough to be born to that continent.

Assuming, of course, I could find a gun.

Or the money to buy one, given the class rigidity...

6/3/2008 10:07:44 PM

lol

6/3/2008 10:09:25 PM

seems like 287billion dollars is easy to raise if you up the tax on the top 2%...plus 60 percents of forclosures are from healthcare costs...plus dems will prolly make us get really good fuel efficient cars and what not...plus no one wants world war 3

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ^^^thank you...where is shit like that now a days]

6/3/2008 10:15:56 PM

Wow. TGD returns to make an over-to-top crack at Europe.

6/3/2008 10:17:39 PM

^^ [facepalm]

6/3/2008 10:28:09 PM

From that graph, ron paul.

Less is best when it comes to taxes & teh budget IMO

6/3/2008 10:33:00 PM

Obama plans would outspend the war in Iraq by billions. Mccain is the best by far.

6/3/2008 10:37:06 PM

Obama would be no champion for capitalism.

He has embraced marxist ideas throughout his youth, he supports marxist Black Theology.

Obama makes millions hawking his books, and excoriates CEOs for their so-called greed.

He sees the role of taxation, not as simply a way to collect the money needed to run gov't- but as a hammer to smash over the heads of people who don't behave as he wishes:

" ...what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness"

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 12:14 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 12:14:15 AM

you forgot how he is hypnotizing large crowds of followers like a cult

6/4/2008 12:19:51 AM

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"better for the economy overall? yes see: Europe"

Despite the recent, short-term trend, the economies of the EU have consistently lagged the US. Their policies (unemployment benefits, limits on weekly hours worked, strict laws on laying off employees) have led to an extremely inflexible, rigid labor force, which is why their long-run unemployment rate has trended close to 10% in the past 25 years.

6/4/2008 6:25:11 AM

McCain > Obama when it comes to the economy.


Or at least he sucks less.

6/4/2008 6:42:35 AM

"We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies..."

6/4/2008 8:20:22 AM

the guy ran his campaign based on economic growth, and he took a huge load of republican votes b4 he stepped down. and if the guy can win in massachusetts.. i'm just saying


1) mccain loses in november
2) obama proves what a fucktard really can do to the economy when he tries to socialize aka communize the country
3) romney swoops in with maximum economic pwnage in 2012
4) ?
5) profit

6/4/2008 8:25:38 AM

The problem is once a program of freebies is started, you cant take it back. Esp these days.

6/4/2008 8:34:30 AM

^ inoright

6/4/2008 8:35:50 AM

The "Ratchet Effect" may be a powerful one, but at least you can look forward to the Hayekian collapse.

Then we most likely get a dictator, after which we get to start all over, Yay!!!

Isn't democracy great?

6/4/2008 9:13:45 AM

European countries such as Germany have somewhat lower GDP per capita but a more even distribution of that wealth. Germany's Gini index is 28, while ours is 45. (The higher the number, the less equal the distribution.) A few European countries even match or beat us in GDP per capita while retaining a lower Gini index. Norway and Ireland come to mind.

6/4/2008 9:30:30 AM

Just because Mitt Romney was successful at running a ventur capitalist organization does not mean he would be good for the economy. His solution would be to fire everyone and outsource the work to other countries.

Also, the economy of Mass. faltered under Romney. Mass. had one of the highest job loss rates in the entire country whilst he was governor. So please, don't confuse business savy with the ability to run a competent government.

6/4/2008 9:35:41 AM

^lol.

no, mass was is the shitter. now it's great.

6/4/2008 9:43:08 AM

In the past 6 years Mass. has ranked 49 in job creation.

It is becoming more and more evident that you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

6/4/2008 9:49:43 AM

OBAMA DID LIKE 10X MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE FOR THE ECONOMY AMIRITE??!!

oh, i don't know what i'm talking about?

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"House of Representatives doesn't require a majority vote, only a plurality."

lol @ ppl not knowing more than the first 2 amendments. lofl

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 10:01 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 9:59:50 AM

so when it's proven you are wrong about romney, re: mass. economy, you bring up an entirely unrelated topic to try to save face. good going.

6/4/2008 10:15:09 AM

You need to learn how to google if you want to stick around. The median household income in Mass fell 3.5% while Romney was governor. The State has lost over 160,000 jobs since Romney was Governor.

So again, explain how he turned Mass. around. Romney actually ran the entire state to shit. There is a reason why he didn't run for re-election, no one would have voted for him.

6/4/2008 10:16:30 AM

The candidate economically beneficial to losers like me might harm business. That's why people would rate Obama as superior. They're hoping for handouts.

6/4/2008 10:17:00 AM

our grandfathers and great grandfathers are rolling in their graves over this bull shit

6/4/2008 10:22:11 AM

^ How so? Why should we care?

6/4/2008 10:23:46 AM

You're ignoring Romney's biggest problem. He's a complete douchebag.

Obama will kill our economy, hurt our energy security, squander government money, and drop us leaps and bounds behind the EU. I'll still vote for him though. Fucking things up sooner won't be as bad as fucking them up later.

6/4/2008 10:26:59 AM

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"The candidate economically beneficial to losers like me might harm business. That's why people would rate Obama as superior. They're hoping for handouts. "

exactly. There are names for things like that. parasites. You usually try to get rid of them, not make them worse.

6/4/2008 10:28:24 AM

Wait, what? How will Obama hurt our relative standing against the EU?

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"There are names for things like that. parasites. You usually try to get rid of them, not make them worse."

Unless you're one of them.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM. Reason : class warfare]

6/4/2008 10:28:39 AM

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"Obama will kill our economy, hurt our energy security, squander government money, and drop us leaps and bounds behind the EU. I'll still vote for him though."

This makes me so sad about our youth/future of this country.

6/4/2008 10:29:32 AM

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"will kill our economy, hurt our energy security, squander government money, and drop us leaps and bounds behind the EU"

see. i can't tell you for sure whether mccain or obama will do these things. but i can tell you which party has caused every one of those things in the past 7 years. larger tides of politics don't bode well for mccain at all.

6/4/2008 10:31:46 AM

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"Quote : "Obama will kill our economy, hurt our energy security, squander government money, and drop us leaps and bounds behind the EU. I'll still vote for him though." This makes me so sad about our youth/future of this country."

Reminds me of a girl I know who is voting for him because he's black. No, I'm not joking and neither is she. It just goes to show you how irrational/incompetent our generation is.

At least this guy admits that Obama is going to screw everything up. All of my friends who support him act like he is going to cure cancer and create world peace.

6/4/2008 10:36:15 AM

sarijoul. Ill tell you what, if you think raising taxes on gas companies will LOWER the price at the pump. Greatly expanding govt spending, creating the biggest entitlement program, raising taxes on the majority of americans and workers will all help the budget and economy. Then I think you picked the right guy.

Scroll up to look at the graph.

6/4/2008 10:37:18 AM

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"Reminds me of a girl I know who is voting for him because he's black. No, I'm not joking and neither is she. It just goes to show you how irrational/incompetent our generation is."

I wouldn't go that far. If nothing else, electing a black president would be a excellent symbolic gesture against the country's racist history.

6/4/2008 10:40:18 AM

i see white people migrating back to europe soon to avoid all this bullshit that's coming

6/4/2008 10:41:17 AM