datman All American 4812 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M
pretty nice 6/5/2008 6:00:12 PM |
Rat Suspended 5724 Posts user info edit post |
i'm datman
heh, neat. 6/5/2008 6:03:49 PM |
titans78 All American 4035 Posts user info edit post |
Doesn't work, scam, don't believe it until my house runs on it. 6/5/2008 6:38:15 PM |
joe17669 All American 22728 Posts user info edit post |
free electricity: put two strong (rare earth) magnets on the sides of your power meter 6/5/2008 6:39:25 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
Goddamn aussies and their flagrant disregard of thermodynamics. 6/5/2008 7:27:33 PM |
joe17669 All American 22728 Posts user info edit post |
so the reporter said 24kW per day. is that 24kWh per day, essentially meaning it can supply a constant load of 1kW. Most houses consume more than 1kW continuously. 6/5/2008 7:30:13 PM |
Gøldengirl All American 3613 Posts user info edit post |
thats awesome but i wonder how much the politics of power companies will really stop its advancement. 6/5/2008 7:31:24 PM |
FykalJpn All American 17209 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Rosenthal's Measurements: Negative Result Reports Engineers Reporting Negative Results: Rosenthal and Cole ~ Ian Bryce Report by Sterling D. Allan (March 8, 2003)
Engineers, Walt Rosenthal and Parke Cole were invited to measure the Lutec1000 in January 2001. Their measurements showed results showed 28% efficiency. The exchange was amendable, despite the negative test results. Rosenthal stated, "I walked them through the calculations carefully so they would understand, but they didn't want to believe the results." Test entailed a dynamometer measuring output the motor, powering with power supply from wall producing DC volts, optical shaft encoder on end of shaft to measure rpm. Results showed 50 Watts power going in and 14 Watts equivalent of mechanical power coming out.
After receiving the above synopsis, Walt Rosenthal added the following:
Report by Walt Rosenthal (March 8, 2003) ~
The inventors would start with fully charged batteries for the demonstration. They assumed that the battery terminal voltage would decrease linearly as the battery was used. So, after using the battery for, say, 30 minutes, they would again measure the battery terminal voltage, and subtract this value from the start voltage, then multiply that difference voltage times the known amp-hour capacity of the battery bank, to come up with their assumption of the total energy consumed from the battery bank. Unfortunately, battery terminal voltage is almost flat for perhaps 90 percent of the battery capacity, before it drops off rather steeply for the last 10 percent of it's capacity. Parke Cole and I tried to explain this to the inventors. I am not sure we succeeded. We were about the 15th group of people to show up on their door step after they went public. We were the first people to bring our own test equipment. The inventors said that the first people to show up were the Russian Mafia. Our bottom line was 50 watts of DC power input, which resulted in 14 watts of rotary mechanical power output. I hope the inventors have improved their device from where we tested it so that it now matches their statements of it's performance.
Follow-up Comment from Walt ~
From: Walter Rosenthal ~ To: sterlingda@greaterthings.com (March 15, 2003) Subject: Energy Wise 1000 mentioned at GreaterThings.com
Sterling: The pictures of the Lutec 1000 show that the inventors have added a second unit apparently driven by the motor and in line with the motor since Parke and I tested it... Walt
Feedback From Scott MacGregor ~
To: Sterling D. Allan (March 09, 2003) Subject: Lutek 1000 only 28% efficient according to Rosenthal, 2001 independent measurement
Thanks for that update. It seems evident that although electro-magnets require energy input to "turn on", permanent magnets require energy input to "turn off"! The example given on their Website - the permanent magnet and electro-magnet supporting a weight from a steel beam - should demonstrate this principle. i.e., Energy must be inputted to the electro-magnet in order to overcome the weight. Although no external energy is required for the permanent magnet to support the weight, energy must be supplied to OVERCOME the magnet and cause the weight to fall...thereby producing useful energy. In other words, the permanent magnet is producing zero energy while supporting the weight.
Email from Patrick Bailey:
From: Bailey, Patrick February 20, 2008 RE: Zero Point Energy Machine from Australia - Lutec
...Walter Rosenthal traveled there with his high frequency digital oscilloscope and measured the devices.
IT IS THE SAME OLD LYING GAME!
People are measuring high freq. DC or fast pulsating AC with AC meters calibrated to sine wave 0.707 RMS.
You can not do that!
Using just AC meters (like an old VTVM), I could easily show you that a resistor, capacitor, and inductor arrangement will always give you over unity! (Just by ignoring the current to voltage phase angle.)
Walter measured the voltage vs. time digitally (storing many data points per cycle), and the current vs. time digitally, and then calculated the power point by point via computer, and then calculated the average power digitally - for input power and output power.
Then you can get the True output to input power ratio." |
6/5/2008 7:43:48 PM |
casummer All American 4755 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Unfortunately, battery terminal voltage is almost flat for perhaps 90 percent of the battery capacity, before it drops off rather steeply for the last 10 percent of it's capacity." |
any fisherman who uses an electric trolling motor and has half a brain knows this shit6/5/2008 8:40:10 PM |