Ok to me I can see two separate kinds of scifi movies. One is based closely on reality like Matrix or Stargate and the other seems to be more fantasy like Star wars or Star Trek.


I like the first kind but not a big fan of the second, so what is the main difference between the two that seperates them into two catagories and which one do you like?

6/9/2008 8:44:34 PM

wat

6/9/2008 8:46:27 PM

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"One is based closely on reality like Matrix"

lawl


and lol @ asking us what separates the 2 categories that you say you created for yourself

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 8:51 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2008 8:50:43 PM

good line by you dweedle jamison

but I understand what dude is saying

I prefer the former category as well

Like that upcoming movie Wanted with Angelina could be categorized under than first heading and it looks pretty good..

the second category is more 'scifi/fantasy' like Narnia and LOTR shit...I'm not too much of a fan of that

6/9/2008 8:55:29 PM

Where does something like Blade Runner or Serenity fall into your categories?

6/9/2008 8:56:21 PM

like modern/punk scifi...I think theres an official term for it

6/9/2008 8:56:59 PM

^^i've never seen blade runner in full but i would say its the 1st kind, cause it explores closely what we can envision to be our future

its just weird to think that i'd like one kind of scifi but not much of the other

6/9/2008 9:11:24 PM

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"lol @ asking us what separates the 2 categories that you say you created for yourself"

yeah but i think most people would see it the same way too
If you're a star trek fan it is automatically assumed you're a star wars fan too
but not necessarily a matrix fan

6/9/2008 9:12:45 PM

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"based closely on reality like Matrix or Stargate"

Lawl!

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"If you're a star trek fan it is automatically assumed you're a star wars fan too"

wat?

I'm a star wars fan and hate star trek

6/9/2008 9:33:00 PM

The term you are searching for is "cyberpunk." It was a movement of the science fiction genre, mainly predominant in the 1980's. The specific term came from Bruce Bekthe's short story "Cyberpunk," but the movement had been happening from the late 1970's on. Usually, it is characterized with "realistic" technology, such as the "cyber-ware" that it gets the name from, cyborgs, implants, and the like. Space travel, if present, is usually minimized. The Internet has advanced to a level of almost virtual reality. Usually pertains to a dark, dys-topian view of the future, class warfare, a huge difference between the "haves" and the "have nots."
Hallmark "cyberpunk" movies: Blade Runner, Johhny Mnemonic, A Scanner Darkly, Robocop, Judge Dredd. I would add Akira in to the list, as well, for the Japanese side. Personally, I would also say that the movie The Warriors, while not sci-fi, is nessecary for any true understanding of the street-level cyberpunk culture, because there are so few movies that focus on the punks, themselves, as real characters. Notice the movies above, the main characters are usually a police officer or other elite operative, with the punks just added in for flavor, Akira being the exception.

6/9/2008 9:41:44 PM

HAHAHAHAHA LAFTA!!

6/9/2008 9:49:23 PM

i think there should be a 3rd category which would focus on space exploration/activity
aside from the 'more realistic' (matrix) and the fantasy (chronicles of narnia, land of the lost)

6/9/2008 10:09:07 PM

Thought of more, so I'm adding, because I have to put these ramblings up somewhere, or they'll be lost.
Cyberpunk has sometimes been criticized as being anti-capitalist, because most dys-topian views of the future involve a giant "mega-corporation" being in true power, with the "legitimate" forms of government and police powers being limited. Perfect example is the Robocop series, with Omni Corp being the "villains" of the movie.
Generally, the "purest" examples of cyberpunk are stories where the struggles are internal, rather than a "good" hero lashing out at an "evil" villain. (This is why I don't characterize the Matrix as truly cyberpunk.) In the end, everyone comes away from cyberpunk a little tainted. Turn a cyberpunk story on it's head, and the "hero" becomes the "villain" easily. Robocop is the insane cyper-psycho preventing world progress for the sake of the violent dregs of society. The "hero" or "villain" is usually determined by which side the characters fall on, not nessecarily anything personally about them. It is a story focused generally on archetypes and sweeping ideas about humanity, and that wonderful struggle to survive.

6/9/2008 10:17:29 PM

the realistic type of science fiction is typically known as

Hard science fiction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_science_fiction

obviously the other is known as

Soft science fiction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_science_fiction

the best sci-fi is typically hard (for my taste), but honestly, with enough technobabble you can make any sci-fi "hard"

6/9/2008 10:55:21 PM

i thought star wars was supposed to be fantasy and star trek based more on reality

6/9/2008 10:57:53 PM

oh, i didn't pay attention that this was about "movies"

I was talking about "the writing"

but star wars is probably on the far fantasy side of soft sci-fi

I think star trek is typically thought of as soft because of their over use of super duper amazing technology

but we all love star trek, so it doesn't matter

...

i just figured you weren't necessarily responding to me

but... my opinion STILL HOLDS!

...

oh, and you're required to like both star wars and star trek

you even have to "kind of like" the shitty stuff secretly (fuck you if you don't)

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 11:03 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2008 10:59:51 PM

i actually think star wars is ok, but will never be caught dead watching star trek

6/9/2008 11:03:49 PM

well, you wouldn't be caught dead sucking donkey dick either

but it doesn't mean you don't

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 11:06 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2008 11:04:35 PM

i.e. i dont like star trek

6/9/2008 11:05:47 PM

LAY OFF MY TREK WARS, SON

6/9/2008 11:06:39 PM

it's too late

i've seen everything

6/9/2008 11:13:59 PM

I wouldn't lump star trek and star wars in the same category, trek certainly takes many liberties but it isn't pure fantasy

6/9/2008 11:16:49 PM

Star Wars doesn't even pretend to be Sci-fi.

It doesn't even take place in our galaxy.

6/9/2008 11:18:58 PM

ITT massive amounts of fail

6/9/2008 11:24:30 PM

Trek is the shit.

6/10/2008 7:37:08 AM

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"If you're a star trek fan it is automatically assumed you're a star wars fan too"

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"I'm a star wars fan and hate star trek"

You flipped his statement around

p: Star Trek fan
q: Star Wars fan

p→q ≠ q→p

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 7:55 AM. Reason : -]

6/10/2008 7:55:11 AM

Quote :

"The term you are searching for is "cyberpunk." It was a movement of the science fiction genre, mainly predominant in the 1980's. The specific term came from Bruce Bekthe's short story "Cyberpunk," but the movement had been happening from the late 1970's on. Usually, it is characterized with "realistic" technology, such as the "cyber-ware" that it gets the name from, cyborgs, implants, and the like. Space travel, if present, is usually minimized. The Internet has advanced to a level of almost virtual reality. Usually pertains to a dark, dys-topian view of the future, class warfare, a huge difference between the "haves" and the "have nots." Hallmark "cyberpunk" movies: Blade Runner, Johhny Mnemonic, A Scanner Darkly, Robocop, Judge Dredd. I would add Akira in to the list, as well, for the Japanese side. Personally, I would also say that the movie The Warriors, while not sci-fi, is nessecary for any true understanding of the street-level cyberpunk culture, because there are so few movies that focus on the punks, themselves, as real characters. Notice the movies above, the main characters are usually a police officer or other elite operative, with the punks just added in for flavor, Akira being the exception."

interesting, so it affirms that it is a special catagory

some more films i think are "cyberpunk":

Dark City, one of my favorites
Strange Days
Thirteenth floor

you're right, they all have a fear of technology or some large corporation in the future
i guess it appeals to all of us who feel a little bit cheated by the system or are too cool to work hard

6/10/2008 10:53:46 PM