anybody seen this shit? it's a jesus cult where horrible parents send their kids to be brainwashed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefXbLXlRpw

7/29/2008 1:17:32 AM

^like sunday school?

7/29/2008 1:18:08 AM

here's another good one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw16gs9rNmw



^yeah pretty much

7/29/2008 1:18:37 AM

[old]

but

[good]

this means war

etc.

7/29/2008 1:19:08 AM

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"this means war"

So that's what that episode of Law & Order was about.

7/29/2008 1:20:45 AM

i've been forgetting to rent this

7/29/2008 1:21:37 AM

scariest movie ever

7/29/2008 1:50:10 AM

I KNOW Chickenhead was thinking this:

7/29/2008 1:59:20 AM

who rents movies just so they can justify their dislike of something

oh right , faggots

7/29/2008 4:26:21 AM

Do not get me started on this shit. I start seeing red just thinking about it.

7/29/2008 8:07:45 AM

The whole thing exists on Youtube and is reposted as soon as it is taken down.

It's worth the watch.

7/29/2008 8:19:38 AM

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=437541

if only there was a thread in a section about movies on this very topic [/snark]

7/29/2008 8:21:46 AM

One of my favorite scary movies. You can watch the entire thing here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7168860244966080667&hl=en
This link has been working for at least a year now.

7/29/2008 9:07:01 AM

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"like sunday school?"

crazy christians != all christians

you know, just because your judgment stems from a non-religious POV doesn't mean you're any less judgmental than the crazy religious fanatics who give "normal" religious people a bad name

then again, people just love to hate - whether it's religious fanantics who judge and condemn others or atheists who judge and condemn others, it's really the same thing, and each set thinks they're right, when the odds are that they're both wrong

7/29/2008 9:16:56 AM

i saw this 2 years ago or so - in tww time that's about 3 decades

7/29/2008 9:23:32 AM

7/29/2008 9:45:11 AM

^ aha, so THAT'S where that's from (i never knew)

7/29/2008 9:47:56 AM

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"crazy christians != all christians you know, just because your judgment stems from a non-religious POV doesn't mean you're any less judgmental than the crazy religious fanatics who give "normal" religious people a bad name then again, people just love to hate - whether it's religious fanantics who judge and condemn others or atheists who judge and condemn others, it's really the same thing, and each set thinks they're right, when the odds are that they're both wrong"

Kids shouldn't be going to church b/c they aren't mature enough to handle the subject material. Hence my remark, and yes I do equate taking young kids to church with brainwashing due to how malleable their minds are at that age. Trying to replace the myths with reason at a later date is then a major undertaking for them.

7/29/2008 9:49:07 AM

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"Kids shouldn't be going to church b/c they aren't mature enough to handle the subject material. Hence my remark, and yes I do equate taking young kids to church with brainwashing due to how malleable their minds are at that age. Trying to replace the myths with reason at a later date is then a major undertaking for them."

ah, but this is where you're NO better...you, personally, believe they're "myths"...so sure, from YOUR point of view, people are taking children and flat-out lying to them

the problem is that you're encouraging a different type of "brainwashing" by not allowing them access to a different belief system...what you see as a myth, the parents who take their children to sunday school see as truth...i'm trying to make it clear that i do NOT agree with this whole jesus camp thing and maybe you experienced a hardcore sunday school so your viewpoint is really skewed, but for me, growing up, sunday school as a young child was more like teaching the golden rule than a "if you touch yourself at night, baby jesus will cry and you'll go to hell"-type thing...when i got older, it was a bible study of sorts...the church i grew up in supported and encouraged the questioning of beliefs, and the minister/students did their best to encourage the development of one's own personal belief system, not "brainwashing"

shoot, we had atheists come to our sunday school for the bible study, because they found our discussions intriguing from the historical aspect...and we welcomed them for it because they were respectful of our beliefs and offered a very unique point of view

7/29/2008 9:55:07 AM

haha, yeh i know, talking animals, battles where the sun stood still, a guy who fills a boat with 2 of every animal & multiple accounts of a dead person coming back to life....sorry for being so close-minded

7/29/2008 9:57:06 AM

being close-minded and being an ass are two totally different things...you're more of the latter than the former, methinks

7/29/2008 9:58:44 AM

don't pigeonhole me, i can be both

7/29/2008 9:59:56 AM

any idiot who takes the bible verbatim falls into the "crazy christian" category for me...the very fact that you pretend like that's the ONLY way it can be read means you fall into the "crazy atheist" category

what's close-minded about you isn't that you don't believe in the flooding of the entire world...rather, it's the fact that numerous cultures and religions in the region have a flood story and so there is the chance that there really was a flooding event, and you're completely dismissing the possibility of a real-world event that spurred the story

7/29/2008 10:03:33 AM

you damned godless liberals are always bitching about something

you're just jealous because you don't know the love of jesus

7/29/2008 10:07:39 AM

^^Never dismissed another flood story as no other stories make claims as outrageous as a guy rounding up 2 of every animal & hoarding them on a boat. Just like I didn't dismiss Jesus, or as he was known beforehand Mithras. You are the one who assumed I was going to thrust atheism upon my kids b/c I simply don't want them to be in a church.

As I said, I simply don't believe kids can grasp the concepts at hand, either for christianity, islam, hinduism, atheism, or animism. Much in the same way that I don't think they're old enough for me to speak to them on sex, or international relations, or why bad things happen to good people. It doesn't have to do with my views on these subjects, but with the fact that I'm not really letting them choose if I give them my opinions on what is & isn't when they aren't yet capable of forming their own opinions on the matters at hand.

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 10:17 AM. Reason : ^]

7/29/2008 10:13:13 AM

that movie was extreme....

then if you go to campus crusade here in Raleigh...some times...just some times I feel like I'm in that movie.
I like going to a Bible Study group weekly...but sometimes I feel they try to sell you on their religion.

It's about a relationship.

7/29/2008 10:50:32 AM

anyone remember triangle church (that supposed cult) around raleigh?

7/29/2008 10:58:00 AM

ya i rented that one time

real disturbing

7/29/2008 10:59:15 AM

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"Never dismissed another flood story as no other stories make claims as outrageous as a guy rounding up 2 of every animal & hoarding them on a boat."

you DO realize that the vast majority of religions have "outrageous" stories about god(s) moving the sun across the sky or how the mountains were formed or whatever...right? christianity is no different - they're stories...you're choosing to focus on those denominations or groups that believe the bible verbatim, and then pretending like the entire religion as a whole believes it in the same way...it's an intentionally asinine and parochial view to take, all so you can justify your judgmental and condescending attitude towards that which you OBVIOUSLY don't understand and certainly don't agree with

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"You are the one who assumed I was going to thrust atheism upon my kids b/c I simply don't want them to be in a church."

you're right, i made that assumption and thank you for correcting me...so when (if) your children (if you have any) ask you about god or jesus or whatever (from hearing about it from a friend at school or something), i assume you'll give them a fair description of christianity, unbiased and non-judgmental? and then you'll follow it up with fair and unbiased descriptions of all the other religions? or will you simply say something like "you're too young for me to talk to you" or will you say "those are all just myths, ignore them"?

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"As I said, I simply don't believe kids can grasp the concepts at hand, either for christianity, islam, hinduism, atheism, or animism. Much in the same way that I don't think they're old enough for me to speak to them on sex, or international relations, or why bad things happen to good people. It doesn't have to do with my views on these subjects, but with the fact that I'm not really letting them choose if I give them my opinions on what is & isn't when they aren't yet capable of forming their own opinions on the matters at hand."

all i can say is that i'm glad i'm not your kid...you're one of those types of parents that assume their children are too stupid to understand some very basic things...you ASSUME that sunday school MUST be some in-depth sociological and psychological analysis that they're too immature to understand, instead of realizing what it REALLY is - the use of stories to convey a general message of goodwill and kindness towards others (again, you may have been raised in some crackpot church, and so i'll forgive you if that's all your experiences have taught you)...the simple fact of the matter is that MOST churches and christian parents do NOT "brainwash" their children...you CHOOSE to focus on the ones that do, though, because they support your particular condemning judgments

7/29/2008 11:15:32 AM

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"...the simple fact of the matter is that MOST churches and christian parents do NOT "brainwash" their children..."

Fail.

I went to a lot of churches as a kid and it was always the same crap. Asked once if God created gorillas and they turned into humans and almost got the beat down.

Anyone nutty enough to teach Sunday school is going to harm your kids and force them to believe what they do. It's not about making them good people, it's about making them the next generation of religious nuts.

7/29/2008 11:19:59 AM

While the new testament does focus on stories that tend to convey the good of people, the old testament god is nothing short of an asshole who says one thing & does another throughout the entire testament.

Yes, I do realize that nearly all religions have out-there stories & I take all of them with the same grain of salt I take the Bible's talking donkey story with.

Should my kids (if I were to decide to have any), were to ask me about religion, I would let them know the basics (God is good, the devil is bad, the 10 commandments, all that jazz). Seeing as how I was in a Christian school from kindergarten to my junior year of high school, I feel I'm pretty up to answering most of their questions on the Bible & Christianity in general.

Sorry for assuming that you as a Christian took the entire Bible seriously. I just assumed thats what Christians did since "its written in the Bible" is the standard reply to most questions regarding why they believe such & such. Why, may I ask, do you choose only certain aspects of the Bible to follow & believe are truth & what made you choose these aspects over the others?

7/29/2008 11:25:19 AM

Quagmire can you give us a fair description of christianity?

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:00 PM. Reason : sp]

7/29/2008 12:00:32 PM

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"I do equate taking young kids to church with brainwashing due to how malleable their minds are at that age. "

7/29/2008 12:06:01 PM

The leader of the camp in that movie said she very much liked the fact that she could make the kids believe whatever they were told without questioning it.

Yes, that was an extreme case, but just throwing it out there.

7/29/2008 12:11:11 PM

kids are fucking stupid

7/29/2008 12:12:22 PM

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"Sorry for assuming that you as a Christian took the entire Bible seriously. I just assumed thats what Christians did since "its written in the Bible" is the standard reply to most questions regarding why they believe such & such. Why, may I ask, do you choose only certain aspects of the Bible to follow & believe are truth & what made you choose these aspects over the others?"

i don't choose certain aspects, really...for example, i don't believe that there was no garden of eden but that there really was a giant flood and everything except unicorns were saved (i mean, i don't pick and choose certain "stories" to believe or disbelieve)

rather, i take almost the entire thing as a whole - i believe that there is a single god, and that jesus existed as the "son" of god, as a messenger by which god has given us his conditions for entrance into "heaven"...i don't think the details are important (whether jesus ever really turned water into wine is completely inconsequential)

i believe that jesus laid out guidelines to how we should live our lives and that, yes, the focus of our lives should be in service to the glory of god (but this does not necessarily mean going to church every sunday)...instead, i believe that we should take our god-given gifts and CHOOSE to use them to help others (instead of just ourselves), rather than as our means to a selfish end

honestly, i struggle more with the concept of a trinity than whether or not moses REALLY split the red sea and walked on dry ground

does any of this make sense? i do NOT believe that just because you're not a christian that you'll go to "hell" (btw, there's a lot of debate amongst biblical scholars as to whether "hell" is a place for "bad" people or to whether it was actually a reference to the burning garbage pile that existed outside most large cities, where outcasts and criminals were banished to when found guilty)

i can't give a "fair" description of christianity because i don't think there's much to describe - christians MUST believe in one god, and jesus christ (not as a prophet, but as the "son" of god)...past that, the denominations make up their particular rules, most of which i don't necessarily agree with (although i attend methodist churches, as they're the closest to what i feel i believe)...and no, i can't say 100% about any of it...you can't put into "real" terms something that you just feel is right, just like most feelings cannot be perfectly described by science

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:28 PM. Reason : wording]

7/29/2008 12:27:09 PM

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"scariest movie ever"

I'd like to see how that kid with the mullet turns out when he grows up.

7/29/2008 12:32:12 PM

^ the mullet was the first indication that it may not be normal...the psycho jesus freaking is clue 2

7/29/2008 12:33:32 PM

^To be sure, I like your version of Christianity better than what I grew up with. However, there's a lot of scripture and theology missing from yours that is very present in the Bible, and while the idea that the whole Bible is 100% factual and error-free is not supported scripturally, I think you do have to go through a lot of language and translational gymnastics to get Christianity to end up how you want it.

I know that your basic description of Christianity's tenets is accurate, but to say that non-Christians will not go to hell is sketchy at best, since Jesus himself taught about hell and gnashing of teeth and all that and how "no one comes to the Father/Heaven through any way but him."

7/29/2008 12:53:17 PM

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"I think you do have to go through a lot of language and translational gymnastics to get Christianity to end up how you want it."

absolutely...my view has always been that while the bible was inspired by god, it was not written by god...so there is a lot in there that was included at the whim of the writer, and they are human beings, who make human mistakes, and put their own personal spin on what they write...i (personally) have a lot harder time putting my faith in people than putting my faith in god

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"I know that your basic description of Christianity's tenets is accurate, but to say that non-Christians will not go to hell is sketchy at best, since Jesus himself taught about hell and gnashing of teeth and all that and how "no one comes to the Father/Heaven through any way but him.""

again, you're right...taking it literally (or, at least, as a truth) means that unless you're a christian, you're going to hell...however, i have always read that particular passage as being more figurative - the only way to god/heaven is through jesus' teachings, not necessary through worship of christ...as for the weeping and gnashing of teeth bit, that goes back to the argument about whether "hell" (a translation) is the opposite of heaven or a metaphor for an afterlife without god...in these areas outside the cities, where the criminals were cast and the garbage was burned, the people were forced to fight for food and space, and were constantly dealing with infections and sickness caused by living amongst filth...that sounds a lot like "hell" to me

i REALLY hate that people think that all christians are the same...i refuse to judge someone as "bad" or going to hell just because they're not christian...i've met some seriously awesome people who are atheists and they're probably better people than i will ever be

that said, i (personally) would find life as an atheist as horribly depressing and lonely, to think that your measly 100 years on this planet were the greatest thing you could hope for (again, this is my view)...i don't pity atheists, but i don't think anything could ever shake my belief in god and so it's such an integral part of my life that i can't imagine what it must be like to be missing it

7/29/2008 1:03:33 PM

hehe we talked about all this shit in religion class in high school

7/29/2008 1:35:10 PM

fuck god and jesus camps

they infested the university down here for a couple of weeks and made it impossible to get food in the food courts

7/29/2008 1:36:27 PM

i heard that you dont get treated too nice if youre in the armed forces and youre not down with the jesus

7/29/2008 1:39:24 PM

I would find life as a christian, particularly as a "quagmirric" christian to be confusing.

7/29/2008 2:09:52 PM

giggity giggity giggit quagmire fails

7/29/2008 2:34:32 PM

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"giggity giggity giggit quagmire fails"

uh...how? or just because you said so? because if that's the case:

Walter sticks his penis in tubs of butter and fantasizes about oprah to get off!

and it must be true!

7/29/2008 4:56:59 PM

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"giggity giggity giggit quagmire fails"

Uh...sounds like a bad case of opinionus subjectivitis to me. Hey...he's entitled, and he may be just as right (or moreso) than you. Do you really have any definitive proof either way?

What makes you happy? Is it causing anyone any harm? I'd shut the fuck up if you're just here to bash somebody for his or her beliefs. Now if they bash you for yours...well, that's a different story, but stooping to that level is just inane.

7/29/2008 5:01:28 PM

^^Kinda strange how you don't like people who think all Christians are the same, and then ridicule the life of all atheists as boring and dreary and such. My mom told me I should commit suicide because I don't believe in G/god(s) and therefore have nothing to live for.

I mean, if you want to go to a place after death and praise the being who commanded genocide (it's in the OT, read Joshua sometime) for all eternity, that's your choice. I'll be missing that.

7/29/2008 5:10:28 PM

Paging PinkandBlack.

7/29/2008 5:11:23 PM

set em up

7/29/2008 5:19:14 PM