are they poisonous? do they bite?

7/31/2008 4:38:29 PM

there are no poisonous snakes. there are only venomous and non-venomous snakes.

and no, the snakes in lake johnson are not venomous. they're mostly northern water snakes, if they are actually in and around the water. if you're in the woods, there are possibly copperheads, which are venomous.

7/31/2008 4:40:44 PM

yes. no.

7/31/2008 4:40:47 PM

snakes are venomous, not poisonous. the snakes in and around lake johnson that you will find are: ringnecks (harmless), dekays (harmless), northern water (harmless but will bite), banded water (harmless but will bite), black rat (harmless), worm (harmless), garter (harmless), and copperheads which are venomous but you usuallly won't see them as they tend to be very cryptic during daylight hours.

7/31/2008 4:41:36 PM

I throw rocks, scream, and ask questions later.

7/31/2008 4:42:47 PM

^ and what is the screaming supposed to do?

7/31/2008 4:43:14 PM

i always hoped to see one there and never did

7/31/2008 4:43:52 PM

Whatever prompted you to ask this question...don't do it. Just leave the snakes alone.

7/31/2008 4:44:03 PM

^^^ let the females of our species know he is not a suitable mate

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 4:44:10 PM

plenty of sticks at lake johnson to pick up a snake...

7/31/2008 4:44:40 PM

I don't think one can completely rule out water moccasins being in and around Lake Johnson.

7/31/2008 4:45:00 PM

we saw one in the water as it was swimming by and it lunged at us

7/31/2008 4:47:20 PM

^^ having done a study in and around the area over the last 2 years on urban snake populations, yes, yes I can

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 4:47 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 4:47:38 PM

i dont know no snakes

7/31/2008 4:49:57 PM

i was about to ask about water moccasins!! but ^^ seems to know his shit.

where do water moccasins live? i always called the snakes in our creek water moccasins but that probably isn't totally correct.

copperheads...EEEK.

i like rat snakes.

7/31/2008 5:28:08 PM

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"snakes are venomous, not poisonous."

Would someone please explain this?

Some of you snake people get all up in arms over these words being interchanged, and as far as I'm concerned (until someone enlightens me), they are interchangeable.

7/31/2008 5:32:45 PM

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"I don't think one can completely rule out water moccasins being in and around Lake Johnson."

then do yourself a favor and dont think. raleigh is not within the range of the cottonmouth. if i remember correctly, only a very few cottonmouths have ever been found in all of wake county, and they have only come from the extreme eastern portion of the county.

plain and simple, if you dont know how to identify snakes, dont fuck with them.

ambrosia...poison is absorbed into the bloodstream. venom is injected. we get up in arms about it just as anyone who is specialized in a certain field would if someone used terminology incorrectly. we do, however, recognize the fact that the terms are synonymous to the general public.

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 5:35 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 5:33:38 PM

btw....if you havent watched the crocodile hunter, do not try to pick up a snake with a stick

7/31/2008 5:34:28 PM

Venomous=Animals that inject venom. Usually is stored in an organ that produces it

Poisonous=Plants or animals that secrete poison. Can be spread out anywhere along the organism

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 5:37 PM. Reason : d]

7/31/2008 5:34:31 PM

well what kind of snakes live in creeks/damp wooded areas that are poisonous. not water moccasins apparently but.......what? anything?

7/31/2008 5:34:36 PM

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"Would someone please explain this?"

Venomous = it bites you, you get sick and die
Poisonous = you bite it, you get sick and die

7/31/2008 5:36:04 PM

I'm more interested in this part

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"we saw one in the water as it was swimming by and it lunged at us"

than your little "I studied everything for two years blah blah blah" shit

7/31/2008 5:36:18 PM

I've seen a baby copper head on the trail right behind my apt at wildwoods and i've seen a couple of water snakes but that's all. I just let it slither past before I kept going because I wasen't sure about copperheads but I know baby rattlesnakes will fuck you up because it can't control it's venom so it wasen't worth pissing it off.

Like I said i've seen a few water snakes when on the trail, but you know when it's a cottenmouth and i've never seen one.

7/31/2008 5:39:01 PM

^^just b/c a snake is in the water and semi aggressive doesn't mean its a water moccasin.

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"well what kind of snakes live in creeks/damp wooded areas that are poisonous. not water moccasins apparently but.......what? anything?"

did you not read anything above? its VENOMOUS

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 5:39 PM. Reason : k]

7/31/2008 5:39:16 PM

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"well what kind of snakes live in creeks/damp wooded areas that are poisonous. not water moccasins apparently but.......what? anything?"

Uhh,

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"The Water Moccasin is a dangerously venomous snake found through most of the Coastal Plains, ranging as far north as Virginia"

Water Moccasins are very buoyant and you see them floating on the water, most other snakes will be submerged except their heads. The inside of their mouths is white, hence the term Cottonmouth also used to name a water moccasin.

7/31/2008 5:40:34 PM

GASP monarch butterflies are poisonous? cray crayyy.

i googled the difference. poisonous doesn't have to bite you. venomous means they have to bite or sting you to get the poison on/in you. but poisonous animals you can just touch or they can spit on you and you can get it?

that is what i took away from my 5 second google search.

^ right but whats his face said cottonmouths weren't prevalent in wake county

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 5:42 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 5:40:59 PM

You could get more scrolling up a few posts.

7/31/2008 5:42:07 PM

yea but that wasn't there before. it was part of his edit

but thanks for the advice

7/31/2008 5:42:54 PM

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"just b/c a snake is in the water and semi aggressive doesn't mean its a water moccasin."

I was more along the lines of "i'm more interested in finding out what kind of snake it was" than trying to show it was a water moccasin

7/31/2008 5:43:05 PM

^^you still messed up your post. A venomous snake injects venom in you, not poison.

^sorry, read your post the wrong way then.

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 5:44 PM. Reason : k]

7/31/2008 5:43:37 PM

hmmm...no wonder they dont call it the venomous dart frog

7/31/2008 5:43:39 PM

kill all the snakes you come across and you won't have to worry whether or not it is poisonous

7/31/2008 5:45:06 PM

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"ambrosia...poison is absorbed into the bloodstream. venom is injected. we get up in arms about it just as anyone who is specialized in a certain field would if someone used terminology incorrectly. we do, however, recognize the fact that the terms are synonymous to the general public."

Thanks for your explanation (and those of everyone else )

I do beg to differ on your assertion that anyone who specializes in a field would get upset over incorrect terminology.

I wager that most of you people who call the spun lengths of fiber mass in your woven or knitted clothes 'threads' don't know that the proper terminology is 'yarns'. A thread is a type of yarn, and pretty much reserved for finishing purposes. Yarns are what fabrics are woven and knitted of.

My point here being that most folks recognize that laypeople aren't going to know the terminology of their field, and that if they do speak up after a mistake is made, they're usually willing to offer some edification instead of just saying 'goddammit, that's wrong!'

7/31/2008 5:45:35 PM

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"kill all the snakes you come across and you won't have to worry whether or not it is poisonous "

no, this is dumb.

7/31/2008 5:47:00 PM

^^^why would someone kill ALL snakes??

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 5:48 PM. Reason : ^what she said]

7/31/2008 5:47:58 PM

OMG A COPPERHEAD

7/31/2008 5:48:41 PM

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"right but whats his face said cottonmouths weren't prevalent in wake county"

Yea but you didnt specify a county

7/31/2008 5:49:10 PM

well OHHHHHHH. well then what kind of poisonous venomous snakes are habitants of wake county. we always used to call snakes in our creek water moccasins BUT apparently they're not. are there other venomous snakes in wake county besides copperheads?

7/31/2008 5:50:56 PM

rattlesnakes and what ussj said

7/31/2008 5:52:09 PM

http://www.naturalsciences.org/research/herpetology/Venomous_Snakes_of_NC.pdf

7/31/2008 5:52:22 PM

uh, i uh, am sick and goddamned tired of the pretentiousness included in arguing the semantics of poisonous and venomous here.

shut

the fuck

up.

7/31/2008 5:53:44 PM

what is that poem about coral snakes. i can never remember. red touches black friend to black red touches yellow deadly fellow? OR is it red touches black get back jack red touches yellow friendly fellow.

i just don't touch at all.

7/31/2008 5:55:10 PM

According to this:

http://www.naturalsciences.org/research/herpetology/Venomous_Snakes_of_NC.pdf

You can find the cottonmouth and copperhead in Wake County. You may come across a Timber Rattlesnake, but that would be a rarer occurance.

^^^haha

"Red touches Black you're OK Jack. Red touches yellow you're a dead fellow".

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 5:56 PM. Reason : l]

7/31/2008 5:55:21 PM

it goes

khcadwal dont touch at all or something like that...

7/31/2008 5:55:55 PM

it goes if it has a white mouth get your gun and shoot that bitch.

7/31/2008 5:59:07 PM

if you look at the distribution patterns theres basically no chance of finding anything venomous in wake county

7/31/2008 5:59:46 PM

no. no.

anyway according to the snake book it could be a "water moccasin"

who knows. but other than the pictures i got bored pretty easily.

7/31/2008 5:59:57 PM

isn't the only water moccasin in the US a cottonmouth?

7/31/2008 6:00:56 PM

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"uh, i uh, am sick and goddamned tired of the pretentiousness included in arguing the semantics of poisonous and venomous here. shut the fuck up."

No one was fucking arguing. Everyone said their piece and moved on while ambrosia got her answers.

7/31/2008 6:01:09 PM

arguing/making a statement, who gives a fuck. it's unnecessary...

7/31/2008 6:06:11 PM