Here's hoping they don't shit the bed this time around.

Initial offerings will be the ultra expensive 8C Competizione Coupe and Spider. 84 Coupes, 95 Spiders. Sold at Maserati dealerships. Interesting to see how this will go.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=6987

9/19/2008 4:22:47 PM

YAY

9/19/2008 5:06:17 PM

according to the Top Gear crew, you're not a true petrol-head until you've owned one.


guess I better start saving.

9/20/2008 12:05:53 AM

9/20/2008 1:26:29 AM

wow, The Garage really seems to care about this.

9/21/2008 1:31:00 PM

Well considering that the 8C will cost $200K+, I am not surprised.

Alfa make some of the best looking cars. They should also bring some of their normal models, such as the 149, 159, Brera, and GT. And if they bring their MiTo hot hatch, everybody will be all over it.









Very sporty and upscale interior for a small affordable hatchback.





[Edited on September 21, 2008 at 4:01 PM. Reason : ]

9/21/2008 3:59:49 PM

Yes that car's sweet. but they're not bringing it to the US b/c they didn't want to pay the cost to have it equipped with OBD-II.

gg Fiat.

9/21/2008 5:18:58 PM

giulia seems competitive with an A4.. thoughts?

2/21/2017 1:44:38 AM

They're gonna have a hard time selling upmarket Alfas at Fiat dealerships, that's for sure.

Guilia looks very solid; hopefully it's build quality and reliability are solid as well. Only thing that sticks out to me is the powertrain options are a little odd. Either you're stuck with a shitty little 4 banger or you have to pony up another $30k for a fire breathing V6. They're gonna need a middle ground engine option at some point.

2/21/2017 8:46:29 AM

the m3 is a better car in every objective way, for less money. if you want more "different" and "look at me" than the bmw at the cost of performance and weight, get a jag

2/21/2017 10:46:15 AM

Giulia Quadrifoglio -- best looking car in its class!

(M3, C63 AMG, RS4, ATS-V, future XER-S, future IS F)

2/21/2017 12:27:14 PM

vs



subjective and all.. but I know what I'd take

2/21/2017 1:28:52 PM

Hmmm... curvaceously aggressive beauty vs. angularly aggressive beauty

Tough choice!

That ATS-V is looking great.

Check the Guilia Four Leaf in silver (or blue), not that red.

2/21/2017 2:15:57 PM

Quote :

"the m3 is a better car in every objective way, for less money. if you want more "different" and "look at me" than the bmw at the cost of performance and weight, get a jag"

No, it's not. However the M3 with the Competition Pack is about equal. And really doesn't cost any less. Heck, the base M3 can barely hang with the C63 AMG.

The ATS-V should have the LT1 V8 from the Camaro and C7, not that forgettable V6 TT.

2/21/2017 3:19:41 PM

Quote :

"subjective and all.. but I know what I'd take"

obviously the alfa, right?

2/21/2017 4:04:21 PM

Quote :

" Heck, the base M3 can barely hang with the C63 AMG."

Elaborate on "barely hang" plz

2/22/2017 12:38:28 AM

Quote :

"subjective and all.. but I know what I'd take"

both of those cars are ugly imo. why the headlights got to be so long and skinny. do not want

2/22/2017 7:29:42 AM

^^Here for starters:

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mercedes-benz/c-class/2015/bmw-m3-vs-cadillac-ats-v-sedan-vs-mercedes-amg-c63-s-comparison/

1 - AMG
2 - Caddy
3 - BMW

2/22/2017 8:53:24 AM

Quote :

"No, it's not. However the M3 with the Competition Pack is about equal. And really doesn't cost any less. Heck, the base M3 can barely hang with the C63 AMG."

how did I know you were gonna come with some magazine bench racing junk and even from said junk,

Quote :

"Other cars were loads of fun, but at the end of the day, those obsessed with all aspects of performance voted BMW."

the bmw sucks, but the rest all suck more. put any of the cars on a track for 10 laps and see what the times look like

[Edited on February 22, 2017 at 8:16 PM. Reason : .]

2/22/2017 8:13:53 PM

lolol ITT I learned that "can barely hang with" = identical performance numbers these days

pretty surprising you're backing the car that's nearly 4000 lbs, instead of the one that weighs 3500 lbs. What's that I see...a bias I believe?

And if you wanna do the sample size of one magazine thing:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-bmw-m3-vs-2015-mercedes-amg-c63-s-2016-cadillac-ats-v-comparison-test

1 - BMW
2 - Merc
3 - Caddy

The consensus seems to be the BMW is the better sports car. The Merc is slightly less sporty, but more cushy inside. So when it wins, it's the "best of both worlds." Improved? Yes. Better? No.

2/22/2017 9:20:31 PM

Quote :

"the m3 is a better car in every objective way, for less money."

You make a strong statement on one extreme, so I matched it with one on the other.

Regardless of one magazine or another, the consensus seems to be that the 2nd gen C63 is a significant improvement over the 1st gen. Meanwhile the BMW, not so much.

Quote :

"lolol ITT I learned that "can barely hang with" = identical performance numbers these days "

Most acceleration figures for the C63S are faster than what was quoted in my linked comparison.

Quote :

"pretty surprising you're backing the car that's nearly 4000 lbs, instead of the one that weighs 3500 lbs. What's that I see...a bias I believe?"

Honestly if it were my money I probably WOULD pick the M3 (over the AMG). Because I hate overweight cars, which the Merc most definitely is. I was more forgiving of the first gen, as it had that bonkers 6.2 V8. Newer one, not so much. So bias, I don't think so.

2/23/2017 10:09:54 AM

Quote :

"the consensus seems to be that the 2nd gen C63 is a significant improvement over the 1st gen"

Quote :

"Improved? Yes. Better? No."

I will say though, I noticed a C63S coupe today, and the shit looked pretty nice.

Quote :

"Most acceleration figures for the C63S are faster than what was quoted in my linked comparison."

That ain't barely hanging with either, but hopefully this is forcing BMW off their laurels some.

2/23/2017 10:54:00 PM

its almost as if some people buy cars because of how they look or sound or make them feel and not always because it is slightly better in magazine performance tests than other cars

strange!

2/24/2017 8:07:07 AM

sad!

2/24/2017 12:45:07 PM