http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/09/26/weightloss.angela.stokes/index.html

Woman goes raw, loses more than half herself

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"Story Highlights Angela Stokes, 30, was miserable, unhealthy, weighed 300 pounds She began a raw vegan diet after reading a book about its health benefits Stokes lost 160 pounds in two years, improving her emotional, physical health She now weighs 138 pounds and has written several books on "raw foodism""

Click to read full story.

Not the best thing to do in the long term, but if you are 300 lbs, it is definitely infinitely healthier than anything you are doing to your body now.

Do it for a year or so and profit! Your eating habits would have changed automatically by the time you reintroduce other foods into your diet.

You are welcome.

9/28/2008 4:03:06 AM

UGH DUDE, FUCKING VEGAN?

9/28/2008 4:04:08 AM

i don't see any reason why you couldn't include raw fish and beef into the diet. (organic/wild)

it would make more expensive. but you can def add small amounts every other day or so.

9/28/2008 4:06:13 AM

DID YOU JUST PASS THE BAG TO LINDA, SO THAT LINDA CAN PICK UP THE POO?

9/28/2008 4:06:36 AM

are falafel and tempeh vegan? if so I might be okay with it...but probably not, i'm not even sure if breathing our particular mixture of air qualifies as vegan.

9/28/2008 4:07:48 AM

falafel is deep fried. you shouldn't be eating much of that anyway, whether dieting or not.

this diet is about eating raw plant matter. the "raw" is as important as the "vegan" aspect.

but there is no reason you can't include cooked beans and grains into it. it would make it healthier, give you protein, fiber, and micro nutrients. but do that only if you are cooking without much fat. a drizzle of olive oil at the end would be good. it would keep you fuller for longer, as well as it being healthy.

but the bulk of that diet should come from raw fruits, veggies, and nuts. at least that's what she did.

9/28/2008 4:13:01 AM

dammit falafel is fried? fuck me i knew it was too good to be true

9/28/2008 4:19:03 AM

it is possible to make baked falafel (and donuts, french fries, etc), but i have never come across any.

9/28/2008 4:21:27 AM

i'll bake your donuts

9/28/2008 4:26:06 AM

Hey dc!

tempeh is strait, bbq tempeh is the shit.

otherwise, ive been vege for a while now, it's really not that bad


i've def lost weight . . . which kinda pisses me off, but so be it.

9/28/2008 4:51:03 AM

i've thought about going vagitarian. i've cut way back on my meat intake (mostly due to sympathy for the poor, poor animals) but i know that i don't really want to...so any true effort would ultimately fail. one day if something flicks off that meat switch upstairs, maybe it'll happen


either way, wanna trade metabolisms?

9/28/2008 5:31:42 AM

THE ANIMALS TASTE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE VEG MATTER THOUGH. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE.

THEN THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT VEGETABLES = VEGGING. VEGGING = LAZY. MEAT /= LAZY. MEAT = TASTEEEEYYY.

9/28/2008 5:38:39 AM

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"i've thought about going vagitarian"

Well what are you now, a dickatarian?

9/28/2008 6:05:05 AM

ostensibly, but who knows for sure

9/28/2008 6:23:54 AM

HE KILLED 9 OF MY GOATS.

9/28/2008 6:28:51 AM

I make baked falafel. Yummy stuff.

9/28/2008 9:58:14 AM

Yeah, we make baked falafel about once a week. Shit's delicious.

9/28/2008 10:00:30 AM

I couldn't imagine having to give up milk, otherwise, I would gladly be vegan.

9/28/2008 10:20:36 AM

what?

milk sucks

9/28/2008 10:21:12 AM

When I was in college, I drank a gallon a day. I LOVE MILK!!!!!!!!!!!!

What else would you put on cereal?

9/28/2008 10:23:18 AM

soymilk

9/28/2008 10:23:36 AM

you could do this with meat... eat enough raw meat and you're bound to get some sort of food poisoning and loose tons of weight

9/28/2008 10:23:53 AM

^^ I eat the Kashi GoLean stuff and I tried soy milk with that and it was awful. Perhaps I was giving up too much at once? Plus soy milk is so fucking expensive. Maybe when I get my new job I'll make the switch, but it would probably have to be chocolate soy milk at first.

9/28/2008 10:25:37 AM

Raw food is difficult to digest. Cooking vegetables breaks cell walls, making them easier to digest. The catch is the more you cook them, the more vitamins are lost.

9/28/2008 10:39:31 AM

i would go vegetarian if i wouldn't feel like such a tool at any social event that involved food. really no point in being a pain in the ass for no reason.

9/28/2008 10:41:47 AM

I'm not a vegetarian.

That being said, I don't see how going against the norm in a country where 2/3 of people are overweight(even more in the south) makes you a tool.

[Edited on September 28, 2008 at 10:45 AM. Reason : a]

9/28/2008 10:44:51 AM

you don't see how refusing to eat at a place where everyone else is eating makes you a tool?

9/28/2008 10:52:40 AM

There are very few restaurants that don't serve at least a couple of vegetarian meals.

9/28/2008 10:56:56 AM

You can ask for a plate without the meat entrée. Or you can eat the salad and bread. I've done it before. The pill popping old that smell like death and middle age fatties can look at me and say oh, he's a health nut, but quite frankly, I don't give a fuck.

[Edited on September 28, 2008 at 10:58 AM. Reason : a]

9/28/2008 10:57:48 AM

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"you don't see how refusing to eat at a place where everyone else is eating makes you a tool? "

this never even crossed my mind when i made the choice. probably because i'm doing it for myself and not other people.

9/28/2008 11:00:34 AM

^Exactly.

9/28/2008 11:01:23 AM

^^ you're so enlightened.

9/28/2008 12:18:45 PM

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"That being said, I don't see how going against the norm in a country where 2/3 of people are overweight(even more in the south) makes you a tool."

This is the reason people are fat in the first place. Primitive man ate primarily meat and fossils don't suggest a bone structure that endured hardly any body fat. The reason people are fat is because half the shit they eat is processed, preserved, sugared food in addition to meat that's been processed to the point of being nonfood.

If you think giving up meat is the solution to unhealthy living you're confused about what unhealthy living is.

9/28/2008 12:23:50 PM

^ No I am pretty sure the dude knows what healthy eating entails.

Fact of the matter is, if you want to live/eat like primitive man, you have to be very rich today, or a farmer, or a caveman.

1) If you are a typical city dweller, you have to be rich enough to afford organic/free-range/grass-fed/game meat. Check out http://www.blackwing.com and http://www.grasslandbeef.com . It is obviously [unfortunately] not for everybody.

2) Or, you have to have been born into a [meat/poultry] farming family, and feel the urge to stay on the farm your whole life. Not everybody is so lucky, and even some those who are, have higher ambitions and go on to get city jobs.

3) Or, you can go live in a cave and hunt. Or you can have a house built in the forest and hunt.

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"The reason people are fat is because half the shit they eat is processed, preserved, sugared food in addition to meat that's been processed to the point of being nonfood."

That's an excellent point. But that's only half the reason, and perhaps less than half the reason today. The biggest reason is a sedentary lifestyle, which takes us back to points 2 and 3 I made above. (and point 1 as well)

9/28/2008 2:39:58 PM

no grains
no sugars
exercise

9/28/2008 2:40:36 PM

either way we can all agree that MEAT is not the reason people are fat.

it might be the reason for heart problems, but it sure as anything is not the reason for people being overweight.

9/28/2008 2:41:38 PM

I think the reasons for people being overweight in the US are, in descending order of importance:

1) Sedentary lifestyle
2) Overeating
3) Type of food consumed

9/28/2008 2:43:18 PM

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"This is the reason people are fat in the first place. Primitive man ate primarily meat and fossils don't suggest a bone structure that endured hardly any body fat. The reason people are fat is because half the shit they eat is processed, preserved, sugared food in addition to meat that's been processed to the point of being nonfood. If you think giving up meat is the solution to unhealthy living you're confused about what unhealthy living is."

You entirely missed the point of my statement. I was referring more to the tool comment than being a vegetarian.

Primitive man did eat wild game, but expended a lot of energy in hunting said game. They also gathered many roots, berries, and plant products to eat, so to say primarily meat is very untrue. Comparing that to eating corn fed, hormone pumped beef is completely different, and is a significant portion of unhealthy living at this day and time. If you don't understand that, than you are confused.

I'll agree with you on "The reason people are fat ... being nonfood." In addition, most folks' diets are unbalanced. Mostly meat and grains, very few fruits and veggies. Most restaurants serve foods in such a disproportionate manner, so that could also be a reason for some to decline food, along with too much sauces or salt added.

(Thanks 0EPII1)

[Edited on September 28, 2008 at 4:43 PM. Reason : Anyone who gives up fruits because they have sugars is an idiot.]

[Edited on September 28, 2008 at 5:01 PM. Reason : 0]

9/28/2008 4:38:54 PM

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"raw foodism"

sounds like a fucking religion

9/28/2008 4:42:33 PM

OEP, there are growing numbers of people in urban areas that are growing chickens/getting eggs in their backyards in urban areas. There are also more local and cheaper means of getting free range beef/pork.

[Edited on September 28, 2008 at 4:45 PM. Reason : ]

9/28/2008 4:45:34 PM

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"it might be the reason for heart problems "

Cept that isn't true either.

9/28/2008 4:46:59 PM

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"Edited on September 28, 2008 at 4:43 PM. Reason : Anyone who gives up fruits because they have sugars is an idiot.]"

I wouldn't go that far (the statement).

[Edited on September 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM. Reason : b]

9/28/2008 4:48:01 PM

I love it when people I make such threads

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"Anyone who gives up fruits because they have sugars is an idiot."

I agree with that... but no one said it in here, right? At least I didn't see it. And you are welcome, but remember, 0 not O!

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"OEP, there are growing numbers of people in urban areas that are growing chickens/getting eggs in their backyards in urban areas. There are also more local and cheaper means of getting free range beef/pork."

Yeah I have heard that and read about it. That's great. I only wish one day I could do it as well! Also, 0 not O!

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"Cept that isn't true either."

Well, most scientists and doctors are in agreement that eating large quantities of saturated fat leads to heart problems. Saturated fat consumption makes the body produce cholesterol (dietary cholesterol doesn't really raise blood cholesterols much, rather, saturated fat) which is dumped into the blood. This forms plaque inside arteries leading to their narrowing. And that's the beginnings of heart disease, and subsequently, a heart attack if it isn't reversed.

9/28/2008 4:57:48 PM

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"Well, most scientists and doctors are in agreement that eating large quantities of saturated fat leads to heart problems. Saturated fat consumption makes the body produce cholesterol (dietary cholesterol doesn't really raise blood cholesterols much, rather, saturated fat) which is dumped into the blood. This forms plaque inside arteries leading to their narrowing. And that's the beginnings of heart disease, and subsequently, a heart attack if it isn't reversed. "

Get back to me on that in 10 years or so. That is the "old" idea, tons of recent research is showing a much smaller role in saturated fat in heart disease. Does it have a small role? Probably, but not nearly as large as traditionally thought. Hell, look at cholesterol levels of people eating low carb/high fat diets, it's usually much lower than the average. People lower their LDL levels by eating less sugar and more fat. yeah..

Kinda like doctors use to tell people it was stress causing ulcers, whoops, most ulcers turned out to be caused by bacteria.

9/28/2008 5:08:06 PM

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"Hell, look at cholesterol levels of people eating low carb/high fat diets, it's usually much lower than the average."

We are talking about the average, varied, balanced diet here, not the Atkins diet or any variation of it. So far it has been shown that in a "normal" diet, saturated fat plays a big role, at least the kinds found in red meat. The saturated fat in coconuts and cocoa has been shown to be not so harmful, as it is shorter chain fatty acids which are metabolised much quicker. This research is still in its infancy, though (about coconut oil).

And anyway, you said "high fat". What fat are you talking about? Sure, if you eat lots of monounsaturated and omega-3 polyunsaturated fats, that will lower your LDL cholesterol and increase your good (HDL) cholesterol.

In fact, having [relatively] large amounts of good fats in your diet has shown to be far far healthier than a low-fat diet. Of course, the amount of sugar in the diet has to be reduced as well.

As for ulcers, stress DOES instigate ulcers, doesn't it? Or at least there is a definite correlation between stress levels and ulcers, even if there is no causation.

9/28/2008 5:18:18 PM

okay so the moral of the story is: meat is fine, just exercise and don't worry about it.

9/28/2008 5:20:07 PM

Yes, meat is fine; the moral of the story is 3-pronged, with the first one most important:

1) Exercise
2) Don't eat tons of meat (and overall food)
3) Get free-range/grass-fed meat/poultry if you can

9/28/2008 5:22:57 PM

or

don't let yourself get that fat in the first place

9/28/2008 5:26:18 PM

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"or don't let yourself get that fat in the first place"

i agree with linda here.

it kind of blows my mind that people will just keep eating unhealthy things, pushing their weight to an unhealthy level and even though their clothes don't fit and they have to buy new clothes (or clothes with elastic waistbands) they still don't realize what is going on.

i don't know, maybe my brain is wired differently. i freak when i gain 5 pounds and know to readjust my diet and exercise.

9/28/2008 6:57:10 PM

set em up

9/28/2008 6:59:38 PM