http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122334695494310505.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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"The MyKey device allows parents to restrict certain drivers to no more than 80 miles per hour as well as allow the vehicle to shut off the radio's volume automatically when the driver hasn't buckled a seatbelt in. "

If i had this in my care, i think it'd me MORE likely to speed, because it'd be constantly testing the limit of the system, to see how it'd react.

10/7/2008 1:32:45 AM

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10/7/2008 1:33:37 AM

I wonder how they restrict the speed.

10/7/2008 1:34:06 AM

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"Ford officials said they know full well teens may see MyKey as another Big Brother option parents can employ to keep tabs on their children's lives. Initially, 67% of teens polled said they wouldn't want MyKey."

And WhoTF are these 33% that WOULD want MyKey? 33% of kids are dirty liars or completely idiotic.

^^

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"Starting with select 2010 models to be introduced next year, Ford will include a programmable ignition key as a no-cost, standard option that restricts maximum speeds and offers additional safety alerts."

Just for the fact it's "free" people will take it.

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 1:36 AM. Reason : ]

10/7/2008 1:34:18 AM

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10/7/2008 1:36:14 AM

why the fuck does it matter what the kids think. this is a unique feature that very well could easily push cars off of ford lots to concerned parents. note you also left out the second part of that quote

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"But the same group said if using MyKey would lead to greater driving privileges, only 36% would still object."

yeah so what if its a standard option, its still an option for the kids parents to enable it.

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 1:38 AM. Reason : .]

10/7/2008 1:37:59 AM

So 36% of kids understand freedom.

I would find ways to disable it or trick it. I bet a firmware upgrade gets released that hacks it a month after they start selling them.

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 1:40 AM. Reason : ]

10/7/2008 1:39:32 AM

^freedom from the "tyranny" of parents huh?

since its running through the car security/lock system, I'm not to sure about "hacking" it. sure some kids are going to try to get around it, hell I probably would try it.

this is going to be enabled primarily in cars where the parent paid for the car, insurance, gas, hospital bills. I see no problem with the availability of this feature

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 1:43 AM. Reason : .]

10/7/2008 1:41:33 AM

you can tell the age of the person who made this thread by their viewpoint

i automatically viewed the scenario from the parent's perspect - while 18 year old moron is viewing it from the child's perspective

10/7/2008 1:42:33 AM

^
1) i'm not 18
2) doesn't that make you a hypocrite?
3) I haven't actually stated my viewpoint either

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 1:44 AM. Reason : ]

10/7/2008 1:44:05 AM

DON'T SUCK OUT THE BLOOD SLUGS.

10/7/2008 1:45:20 AM

^^you have implied that you believe it is an infringement on "freedom"

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 1:46 AM. Reason : .]

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10/7/2008 1:45:25 AM

^
It blatantly is.

But kids don't have rights as adults, and our society tolerates infringements on freedoms anyway.


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10/7/2008 1:45:42 AM

daddys gonna take my freedom to rock out without a seatbelt over 80mph away

10/7/2008 1:49:59 AM

Oh I can't drive more than 80 mph or listen to the radio without my seatbelt... MY CAR IS PERFECTLY SAFE NOW!

10/7/2008 1:55:41 AM

^^^driving is a privilege for all people. if the parent is footing the bill for the equipment they certainly have a right to limit how the people driving their car can do so.

10/7/2008 2:02:01 AM

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"I'm not to sure about "hacking" it"

sure, take a parent's key, go to dealer, have it copied.

done.

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 2:06 AM. Reason : hell you don't need their key, just the vin and learn to program the system.]

10/7/2008 2:06:17 AM

^^ I have no problem with that reasoning.

But this is more for false peace of mind (which is dangerous) than actual safety. I would bet most accidents involving kids happened at 80mph or less, while the kid was wearing a seatbelt.

Even for the kid, it may give them the impression that the system makes it "safer" for them, and they'll be less cautious and attentive to how they're driving, because the nanny system knows what it's doing.

^ I bet you could just even find the fuse that controls the system, and yank it. I doubt they set it to stop the engine on failure, that'd be too dangerous.

[Edited on October 7, 2008 at 2:07 AM. Reason : ]

10/7/2008 2:07:02 AM

I have no problem with the feature, as long as the car's actual owner has control of it. If you buy a car for a minor (or anybody else, for that matter) you should have control over this sort of feature, because you're the one fucking buying it.

10/7/2008 2:08:43 AM

^ what kind of dickbag gives someone a gift though, only to dictate how they use it?

It's like if I gave you a TV, but told you that you couldn't watch The Discovery Channel because of their Godless heathenism.

10/7/2008 2:14:57 AM

^ have you heard of a trust? how about an inheritance with strings attached?

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" ^ I bet you could just even find the fuse that controls the system, and yank it. I doubt they set it to stop the engine on failure, that'd be too dangerous."

if it's part of the ecm programming, which could easily be done, there would be no fuse pulling - just ford scantool settings.

if you have to get SYNC in order to use it, then it'll be hacked in short order.

10/7/2008 2:24:49 AM

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"what kind of dickbag gives someone a gift though, only to dictate how they use it?"

What kind of total asshat gets a free car and then complains about how they're allowed to use it? Especially when, in most states, the restrictions are basically "Don't break the law in an idiotic way"

10/7/2008 2:26:00 AM

many cars already come with restrictions. and limiters. they are just really high. but when is a person going to need to go over 150?

I personally don't have a problem with it. i wouldn't have when i was a kid getting my first car. they would have said "here son, its your car." then after i celebrated "but with this key it can only go under 80mph and you have to have your seatbelt on to use the radio" then i would continue celebrating that i got a car. but eh, i don't think my car could go 80 anyway without gasping for dear life.

if you are just getting into the swing of driving... you shouldn't be reaching the limits of this thing anyway. but i'm sure you'd want to because you aren't allowed to... just like getting a 5 year old honda for your first car and complaining that it wasn't the new camaro that you wanted.

either way if you complained to your parents about it all they would need to say is "oh you can have one without the limits because we don't want to step on your right to speed without a seat belt. i'd just like to ask you to go ahead and buy it for yourself AND DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY FUCKING MONEY YOU LITTLE SPOILED BRAT... go to your room i'm giving your car to your sister."

10/7/2008 6:53:26 AM

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" What kind of total asshat gets a free car and then complains about how they're allowed to use it? Especially when, in most states, the restrictions are basically "Don't break the law in an idiotic way""

10/7/2008 7:22:02 AM

WHAT KIND OF METRO COCKBAG COMES IN HERE WITH NO AFFILIATION AND BEGINS HIS POINTLESS RANTING?

10/7/2008 7:33:34 AM

jesus christ, does anyone actually give a fuck about this or are there just underlying trust issues you feel like bitching and moaning about.

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10/7/2008 7:50:32 AM

No thank you.

10/7/2008 7:55:33 AM

when I was a teenager I never drove a car that was even capable of exceeding 80 mph

10/7/2008 11:11:22 AM

jesus christ, does anyone actually give a fuck about this

10/7/2008 12:10:24 PM

Good thing I don't like Fords

10/7/2008 12:10:50 PM

Quote :

"I wonder how they restrict the speed."

the same way they have been restricting car's speed up till now- with a governor. My old chevy couldn't go over 100mph

10/7/2008 12:13:38 PM

Quote :

"daddys gonna take my freedom to rock out without a seatbelt over 80mph away "

10/7/2008 12:16:46 PM

This is a great idea, especially the seatbelt thing.

Quote :

"when I was a teenager I never drove a car that was even capable of exceeding 80 mph "

Ha, yeah my blazer's speedometer only went to 85, and I could barely get it to that.

10/7/2008 12:20:37 PM

My first car only had 85hp. good luck getting in trouble with that.

10/7/2008 12:30:28 PM

My first car topped out somewhere around 90-95 (only had an 85 mph speedo, it had a little acceleration left after the needle was buried). However, looking back at that car and how worn out it was in general (20 year-old, 170K mile Chevy) it was most definitely not safe for me to even be going that fast.

However, on a car that, econobox though it might be, probably has no problem hitting 110 or better, I don't think this is such a terrible idea. If I'm buying a brand-new car for my 16 year-old (which I would never do on principle, but that's beside the point) I certainly wouldn't feel bad putting some restrictions on how they used that vehicle until I felt that they were capable of making consistent good decisions and not putting themselves in danger. The seatbelt thing is also a good idea, though I'd like to think that whether or not a kid will consistently wear a seat belt is probably based on observations throughout their youth and is pretty well formed by the time they start driving.

10/7/2008 3:35:34 PM

they need to allow the parent to program the speed limit.

10/7/2008 3:39:35 PM

29 year old Skack: This is a great idea.
16 year old Skack: OMG THAT'S SO FASCIST.

10/7/2008 3:39:55 PM