because I can't spell inauguration, okay?





[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 6:14 PM. Reason : ]

10/8/2008 6:12:20 PM

this seems a tad premature

10/8/2008 6:19:44 PM

Premature Inauguration

10/8/2008 6:20:49 PM

pfft. as if McCain/Barbie have a snowballs chance in hell. their campaign is dead in the water

barring some unforseeable disaster, this election is over.

10/8/2008 6:23:50 PM

pfft at this thread

you must really underestimate the clintons and george bush...its like you havent seen enough of their shenanigans in the past

10/8/2008 6:42:06 PM

george bush? shenanigans??

why do you hate america?

10/8/2008 6:44:15 PM

Billary sure did sound sincere in their endorsement of Obama

10/8/2008 6:44:57 PM

well, i grant you that. Bill Clinton's endorsement of Obama, you could almost hear the asterisk. and Obama gave him quite a few left-handed compliments.

but whatever, they are not a major player in this election. are you suggesting the Clintons are subversively working to undermine the Obama campaign?

10/8/2008 6:47:17 PM

Even if jesus christ superstar obama takes the presidency i'd be delighted to be that guy who says "I voted for Mccain." While his highly unoriginal and poorly thought out plans turn this country into a veritable shithole, I'll look back and just say "oh well."

If something sounds too good to be true it usually isn't. As in Obama's illusion where new energy sources pop up overnight and economies on the verge of collapsing can be mitigated to where no one get's hurt, and clashing cultures can suddenly drop their weapons and hold hands and talk.

Along time ago I knew america would probably sway towards obama's toothy white smile, especially young america, like a mosquito to a electric zapper. But I have a keen nose, and it smells bullshit.

10/8/2008 6:50:35 PM

yeah, i'm sure you think Palin is an expert on foreign policy and economics.

i mean, really, dude. there IS plenty of bullshit to be smelt. But you tracked in in from the RNC.

check your boots.

10/8/2008 6:59:18 PM

wrong x2

If i was able to vote last election it would have been for kerry/edwards. I dont vote by party and honestly dont even know what an RNC acronym means.

A governor with the best approval rating in the US who has more executive experience then obama will complement Mccain as VP just fine. I dont think she's an expert by no means, but clearly neither is the other side.

10/8/2008 7:13:52 PM

I do not support this thread.

10/8/2008 7:29:31 PM

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"are you suggesting the Clintons are subversively working to undermine the Obama campaign?"

no, but i am saying that if Obama wins, its 100% certain that he runs for reelection in 2012 which would push Hillary's chance back to 2016, and if Obama serves 2 terms and leaves the country in a mess, (Candidate X) of the Republican party will pull out all the "8 more years" rhetoric against Clinton ('s party) that Obama is using now

so while i'm not suggesting the Clintons are subversively working to undermine the Obama campaign, it sure as shit wouldn't surprise me if they were

10/8/2008 7:30:34 PM

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"A governor with the best approval rating in the US "

53% of Alaskans rated her as excellent. A slight majority of 680,000 Alaskans (RDU is ~1.6 mil) thinks she is an excellent governer. Thats a qualification of VP/Pres. I see...

I pity people who still support Palin.

10/8/2008 7:31:49 PM

^ um, how is it not a qualification. Answer that
It was 90% in 2007. I dont know where you get your figures

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 7:35 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2008 7:33:05 PM

It's Alaska.

10/8/2008 7:42:05 PM

The fact that 350,000 snowbillies think she's great does not mean she's qualified to be VP or President of the US.

10/8/2008 7:42:07 PM

as opposed to a bunch of college kids who think obama is qualified

great argument

10/8/2008 7:44:52 PM

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"a bunch of college kids"

The majority of Americans are college kids?

10/8/2008 7:46:29 PM

when did it become so trendy to knock the entire state of alaska and refer to all their people as idiots?

oh yeah, as soon as mccain picked palin it became trendy

^no but there are a lot more than 350,000 people who think Palin would make a fine VP

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 7:48 PM. Reason : carzak's gross generalization is fine, but mine isnt!]

10/8/2008 7:47:37 PM

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"As in Obama's illusion where new energy sources pop up overnight "

Hahahaha yes.

Let me show you some quotes, and you can guess if either McCain or Obama said them:

Quote :

"We have to drill offshore. we have to do this. Oil executives say in a couple years we could be seeing results from it. So why not do it? We need to do it."

Quote :

"If I am elected president, I will set this nation on a course to building 45 new reactors by the year 2030, with the ultimate goal of 100 new plants to power the homes and factories and cities of America."

HINT: They're both McCain

10/8/2008 7:49:46 PM

If we're going to start saying that holding the position of governor is irrelevent then I guess all those that supported Clinton as akansas governor didn't mean shit either. No he didn't turn out as a good president now did he?


"by the year 2030" is key here. Nuclear plants have grown far more safer and technologically advance since 3 mile or chernobyl. Plus oil drilling isn't a new energy source. What exactly was your argument again?

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 7:54 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2008 7:50:39 PM

^^sounds like mccain has concrete ideas of what he wants to do



[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 7:52 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2008 7:51:14 PM

Sounds like you're an idiot.

Quote :

" Provide Short-term Relief to American Families * Enact a Windfall Profits Tax to Provide a $1,000 Emergency Energy Rebate to American Families. Obama and Biden will enact a windfall profits tax on excessive oil company profits to give American families an immediate $1,000 emergency energy rebate to help families pay rising bills. This relief would be a down payment on the Obama-Biden long-term plan to provide middle-class families with at least $1,000 per year in permanent tax relief. * Crack Down on Excessive Energy Speculation. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will close energy industry market loopholes and increase transparency to prevent traders from unfairly lining their pockets, while driving up oil prices at the expense of the American people. * Swap Oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to Cut Prices. With oil prices doubling in the past year, Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we have an economic emergency that requires a limited, responsible swap of light oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) for heavy crude oil to help bring down prices at the pump. « Return to New Energy for America Eliminate Our Current Imports from the Middle East and Venezuela within 10 Years * Increase Fuel Economy Standards. Obama and Biden will increase fuel economy standards 4 percent per year while providing $4 billion for domestic automakers to retool their manufacturing facilities in America to produce these vehicles. * Get 1 Million Plug-In Hybrid Cars on the Road by 2015. These vehicles can get up to 150 miles per gallon. Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we should work to ensure these cars are built here in America, instead of factories overseas. * Create a New $7,000 Tax Credit for Purchasing Advanced Vehicles. * Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard. Obama and Biden will establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard (LCFS) to reduce the carbon in our fuels 10 percent by 2020. Obama and Biden will also require 60 billion gallons of advanced biofuels to be phased into our fuel supply by 2030. * A “Use it or Lose It” Approach to Existing Oil and Gas Leases. Obama and Biden will require oil companies to develop the 68 million acres of land (over 40 million of which are offshore) which they have already leased and are not drilling on. * Promote the Responsible Domestic Production of Oil and Natural Gas. An Obama-Biden administration will establish a process for early identification of any infrastructure obstacles/shortages or possible federal permitting process delays to drilling in the Bakken Shale formation, the Barnett shale formation, and the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska. « Return to New Energy for America Create Millions of New Green Jobs * Ensure 10 percent of Our Electricity Comes from Renewable Sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025. * Deploy the Cheapest, Cleanest, Fastest Energy Source -- Energy Efficiency. Obama and Biden will set an aggressive energy efficiency goal -- to reduce electricity demand 15 percent from projected levels by 2020. * Weatherize One Million Homes Annually. Obama and Biden will make a national commitment to weatherize at least one million low-income homes each year for the next decade, which can reduce energy usage across the economy and help moderate energy prices for all. * Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology. Obama’s Department of Energy will enter into public private partnerships to develop five “first-of-a-kind” commercial scale coal-fired plants with clean carbon capture and sequestration technology. * Prioritize the Construction of the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline. As president, Obama will work with stakeholders to facilitate construction of the pipeline. Not only is this pipeline critical to our energy security, it will create thousands of new jobs. « Return to New Energy for America Reduce our Greenhouse Gas Emissions 80 Percent by 2050 * Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050. The Obama-Biden cap-and-trade policy will require all pollution credits to be auctioned, and proceeds will go to investments in a clean energy future, habitat protections, and rebates and other transition relief for families. * Make the U.S. a Leader on Climate Change. Obama and Biden will re-engage with the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCC) -- the main international forum dedicated to addressing the climate problem. They will also create a Global Energy Forum of the world’s largest emitters to focus exclusively on global energy and environmental issues. « Return to New Energy for America"

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy_more#relief

10/8/2008 7:52:57 PM

i love how yall have to result to underminding and mocking the vp's executive experience as governor, but i guess you cant really compare her with obama because, well, theres no experience to compare with

10/8/2008 7:56:57 PM

Return
Get
Reduce
Implement
Insure
Provide

All just words in front of things everybody whos been alive for the past 8 years already knows needs to happen. But a concrete action plan, no

10/8/2008 7:59:00 PM

^^I guess being in the state senate from 1996 until 2004, and then in the Senate from 2004 until today is "none."

Oh well, what can you do.


^Are you serious? Did you not read it? Here, I'll cut out all the extra reading, since comprehension seems to be a problem for you.

-Enact a Windfall Profits Tax

-close energy industry market loopholes and increase transparency

-a limited, responsible swap of light oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) for heavy crude oil

-Eliminate Our Current Imports from the Middle East and Venezuela within 10 Years

-increase fuel economy standards 4 percent per year while providing $4 billion for domestic automakers

-Get 1 Million Plug-In Hybrid Cars on the Road by 2015

-establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard (LCFS) to reduce the carbon in our fuels 10 percent by 2020

-require 60 billion gallons of advanced biofuels to be phased into our fuel supply by 2030.

-require oil companies to develop the 68 million acres of land (over 40 million of which are offshore)

-establish a process for early identification of any infrastructure obstacles/shortages or possible federal permitting process delays to drilling in the Bakken Shale formation, the Barnett shale formation, and the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska

-Ensure 10 percent of Our Electricity Comes from Renewable Sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025.

-reduce electricity demand 15 percent from projected levels by 2020

-weatherize at least one million low-income homes each year for the next decade,

-Prioritize the Construction of the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline

-reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050.

-re-engage with the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCC)







[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM. Reason : ]

10/8/2008 7:59:07 PM

Likability, especially by a small number who do not reflect the interests of the majority of the country, is a prety damn weak qualification for VP or Pres.

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"as opposed to a bunch of college kids who think obama is qualified great argument"

I havent argued that Obama's popularity/likability is a qualification.

10/8/2008 7:59:51 PM

whats up with all those dumb hillbillies from AR CAN SAW who thought clinton was a good governor? what do those stupid white inbred redneck racist fucks know about anything?

10/8/2008 8:01:09 PM

^^^ no I read it but i'm still not seeing anything with substance. If he wants do to all these things he better pull a rabbit out of his ass

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 8:02 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2008 8:01:29 PM

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"i love how yall have to result to underminding and mocking the vp's executive experience as governor, but i guess you cant really compare her with obama because, well, theres no experience to compare with"

You're acting as if their qualifications are at all comparable. Yes, years-wise, they're similar. That's it.

Harvard Law v. five crappy schools
Constitutional Law Professor v. anchor woman
Illinois State Senate v. po-dunk town mayor
Senator from 5th Largest State v. governor of 3rd smallest state

She's not even in the same league.




[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM. Reason : ]

10/8/2008 8:03:19 PM

wow, he must be close to retiring! 2 terms in the state senate?? holy shit ... 2 years in the u.s. senate? youre right, hes overqualified


my barber was elected to the state senate and all he knew how to do was cut hair.

2 terms in the state senate means he got some high ways paved and visited some middle schools for lunch . .gimme a fukn break

10/8/2008 8:03:25 PM

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"Harvard Law v. five crappy schools Constitutional Law Professor v. anchor woman Illinois State Senate v. po-dunk town mayor "

WHOOPS I MUST HAVE FORGOT TO MENTION THAT SHE WAS GOVERNOR

10/8/2008 8:04:03 PM

Yeah man, fuck having ambitious goals. Let's just DRILL BABY DRILL and keep all those SUVs for the Hockey Moms on the road! FUCK YEAH AMERICA.

10/8/2008 8:04:26 PM

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"Senator from 5th Largest State v. governor of 3rd smallest state"

I mean, let's stop pretending that Seward's Folly is a real state.

10/8/2008 8:05:01 PM

obama thinks its a state...in fact he thinks we have many more states than 50

thats the kind of knowledgable leader we need

10/8/2008 8:05:39 PM

Palin thinks there's only been one supreme court case.

I'm not sure that's what we need.

10/8/2008 8:07:30 PM

Despite what the polls tell you, don't underestimate the intelligence of the American people.

10/8/2008 8:07:38 PM

no way dude, polls are SCIENTIFIC and SCIENTISTS are NEVER WRONG, its a FACT, right boone?

10/8/2008 8:08:51 PM

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"Yeah man, fuck having ambitious goals. Let's just DRILL BABY DRILL and keep all those SUVs for the Hockey Moms on the road! FUCK YEAH AMERICA."

As opposed to letting gas supplies remain unstable, prices fluctuating violently to the point they dont come back down, all the while waiting for the overnight hydrogen gas infrastructure. Yeah, give me a break.

10/8/2008 8:08:54 PM

Man, I was just looking at the population numbers...

Obama is currently representing 24 times more people than Palin is, and twice as many people as John McCain. Neat.

10/8/2008 8:09:24 PM

if you really want to represent people as a senator, it helps to vote

but fuck that, Obama is from a bigger state, and he is a better public speaker...what more could you ask for in a presidential candidate?

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 8:11 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2008 8:10:04 PM

you forget, this is the first time obama has ran for an office where the votes count

when your under the wing of corrupt political bosses, you arnt really elected to office, youre given the office

10/8/2008 8:10:18 PM

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"what more could you ask for in a presidential candidate"

A superior platform.

Done, done, and done

10/8/2008 8:12:15 PM

then why even bring up alaska's population?

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 8:13 PM. Reason : oh yeah, its trendy to bash anything related to palin]

10/8/2008 8:13:19 PM

and yet you settle for no platform

10/8/2008 8:13:52 PM

To point out that her "executive experience" doesn't amount to much.


^HE HAS NO PLATFORM!!1

AAAAHHH HES GOING TO RUIN THE COUNTRY!!1

For real guys. One or the other. You can't simultaneous fret about all the changes you fear he'll make, and accuse him of empty rhetoric.

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 8:15 PM. Reason : ]

10/8/2008 8:14:02 PM

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"george bush? shenanigans?? why do you hate america? "

lol

10/8/2008 8:14:40 PM

^^^^^ Then Obama doesn't have what it takes.

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 8:16 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2008 8:15:41 PM

the last time the economy was in the shitter W's dad lost.....

Barbie went from over 80% approval rating to now 60% and probably less......Dems will focus are defeating her when she comes up for reelection.

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 8:22 PM. Reason : w]

10/8/2008 8:20:14 PM