Neo-Nazis are one the most fascinating groups to me in part because everything about them is foreign to me.

Furthermore, while I disagree with their politics you cannot by any means call these indivduals unsophisticated. I have learned something just about everytime I debated with a serious white supremacist. Well worth the read.

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"Why White Supremacists Support Barack Obama How do racists, anti-Semites and all-purpose hate-mongers view the possibility of America’s first black president? Not necessarily the way you think they would. By: David Peisner If recent polls are to be believed, white voters favor John McCain over Barack Obama by nearly ten percentage points, but the McCain and Obama camps probably haven’t factored in the following fact: In an informal Esquire survey, three out of four white supremacists prefer Obama, while McCain is the clear favorite among black nationalists. (Sure, our methodology suffered from an extraordinarily low sample size--limited to four white supremacists and one black nationalist--but just because it wouldn’t fly with Gallup doesn’t mean there ain't a kernel of truth in there.) This is just one of many surprising views that emerged after we talked to extremists about this historic electoral showdown between a 46-year-old black man and a 71-year-old white man. Tom Metzger Who: Director, White Aryan Resistance Likes: White people, karaoke, environmentalists Dislikes: Race-mixing, Jews, the federal government, capitalism Career Highlights: Was Grand Dragon of Ku Klux Klan in the 70s; won the Democratic primary during his bid for Congress in 1980; appeared on the episode of Geraldo Rivera’s show in 1988 when Rivera’s nose was broken in a brawl. "The corporations are running things now, so it’s not going to make much difference who's in there, but McCain would be much worse. He’s a warmonger. He’s a scary, scary person--more dangerous than Bush. Obama, according to his book, Dreams Of My Father, is a racist and I have no problem with black racists. I’ve got the quote right here: 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s white race.' The problem with Obama is he’s being dishonest about his racial views. I’d respect him if he’d just come out and say, 'Yeah, I’m a black racist.' I don’t hate black people. I just think it’s in the best interest of the races to be separated as much as possible. See, I’m a leftist. I’m not a rightist. I hate the transnational corporations far more than any black person." Ron Edwards Who: Imperial Wizard, Imperial Klans of America Likes: Guns, bed sheets, burning crosses Dislikes: Black people, homosexuals, immigrants Career Highlights: Sued in 2007 by the Southern Poverty Law Center for inciting the brutal beating of a Latino teenager; building the IKA into one of the nation’s largest Klan groups by allowing non-Christians to join. "Obama, I think he’s a piece of shit. I don’t care that his mother was white. I don’t think he has enough brains to do anything good. All he’s living off of is the color of his skin to get elected. I don’t think America wants a black president. Most of them are too afraid to say that they believe the way I believe. They sit around their dinner table and talk the way I do, but when they get out in public, they have two faces and show the other face. When people are voting in the booth privately, they’ll vote Republican even if they’re a Democrat. If he wins, I’ll laugh. I don’t like McCain, but he’s the only one I can vote for. He’s against a lot of the things that I’m for. I’m afraid that he’s going to mess with gun laws. But I’m going Republican and I talked to my guys and most of them are voting for McCain too." Erich Gliebe Who: Chairman, National Alliance Likes: Third Reich, the movie Rocky Dislikes: Integration, Jewish-controlled media Career Highlights: Turning white-power record label, Resistance Records, into a million-dollar-a-year business juggernaut; an 8-0 record as a professional boxer under the nickname, "The Aryan Barbarian." "Obama might be a better candidate for our cause because he’s racially conscious. One of our big things in the National Alliance is to raise the racial consciousness of our people. Young whites in universities, they’ve been stripped of any kind of racial identity. Obama may be a racist in a positive sense for his people--that will awaken a lot of the whites, knock some sense into them. They’ll see that non-white Americans are allowed to be proud of who they are, to be racially conscious, to talk about their people or their community without being attacked as being racist. Let’s face it, white people aren’t going to fight for their causes, for their kind with a white president. I don’t think McCain even acknowledges that a white race exists. He’s all about granting amnesty to illegal aliens. The fact he wants to keep us in wars in the Middle East for 100 years, that’s not a good thing. I give Obama credit, he seems to have stuck to his guns as far as pulling the troops out of Iraq. He’s a very intelligent man, an excellent speaker and has charisma. John McCain offers none of that. Perhaps the best thing for the white race is to have a black president. My only problem with Obama is perhaps he’s not black enough." Rocky Suhayda Who: Chairman, American Nazi Party Likes: Hitler, white people Dislikes: Jews, immigrants, multinational corporations Career highlights: Being widely quoted bemoaning in the fact that so few Aryan-Americans had the cojones of the 9/11 hijackers: "If we were one-tenth as serious, we might start getting somewhere." "White people are faced with either a negro or a total nutter who happens to have a pale face. Personally I’d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals--basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women--when usually negroes who have 'made it' immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize--that’s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it’s good for all racially minded folks. Besides, America cares nothing for the interests of the white American worker, while having a love affair with just about every non-white on planet Earth. It’d be poetic justice to have a non-white as titular chief over this decaying modern Sodom and Gomorrah." Yahanna Who: General, Israelite School Of Universal Practical Knowledge Likes: Segregation Dislikes: White oppressors, black women, American culture, Muslims, Christians, Martin Luther King Jr. Career Highlights: Featured in 1999 BBC program about black supremacists; his street corner rants in Washington D.C. spurred changes in the local noise ordinance. "Finding out Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for president was one of the saddest days in black history. Another legacy of black death is about to begin, just like it began back in the '60s with probably the greatest traitor to black people in modern-day history, Martin Luther King. Every black leader that has some form of power has given black people false hope, when in fact, the closer they get to the white establishment, the more they become an actual enemy to black people. Black people need to move away from the establishment and towards a moral change. As for Obama, first of all, he’s not even a black man in the terms of what real black people consider a black man. He’s of African and white descent. How easily he dismissed his affiliation with Reverend Wright, was a clear indication that this is a politician, not a man of any real conviction. The same way he threw away that Reverend, once he becomes president, he must throw away black people. He’s going to have to harm black people to make white people satisfied that he’s not Reverend Wright’s boy. The disappointment we’re going to suffer from him is going to set us back another fifty years. McCain is definitely the better shot for black people." Find this article at: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feature/racists-support-obama-061308 "

[Edited on November 1, 2008 at 6:46 PM. Reason : .]

11/1/2008 6:43:26 PM

Can you highlight the things that were "worth the read" because I read the first 3 rants, and there was nothing there worth reading, unless you are in the mood to drop your IQ a few points.

11/1/2008 6:55:50 PM

Let me get a counter point here from The Onion..

11/1/2008 7:10:03 PM

^^

Maybe you have to have my interests.

The widely held concept among Neo-Nazi's that racial awareness trumps voting on racial lines. That a pro-black African-American is better than a white man who doesn't see race.

I always find this interesting because it is counter the "pure hate" stereotype.

11/1/2008 8:53:51 PM

For the record, some of the shit the white supremacists have to say is hilarious.

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"White people are faced with either a negro or a total nutter who happens to have a pale face. Personally I’d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation"

^ Excellent point. I had no idea.

[Edited on November 1, 2008 at 9:04 PM. Reason : .]

11/1/2008 9:03:12 PM

Yeah, I remember reading similar things from white nationalists and such after Obama's race speech.

11/2/2008 12:45:43 AM

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"The widely held concept among Neo-Nazi's that racial awareness trumps voting on racial lines. That a pro-black African-American is better than a white man who doesn't see race. I always find this interesting because it is counter the "pure hate" stereotype. "

They see Obama's presidency as fomenting strife between blacks and whites, how is that not hate-based?

11/2/2008 12:53:48 AM

They see it as forming a greater divide between races...

They interviewed four "white supremacists"... one was a Klan wizard, the other three were more on the neo-nazi side of things... the Klan guy was against him because he was black, even though he felt forced into voting for McCain. The other three seemed less interested in white vs black and more interested in the separation of white and black... less an idea of hate and superiority than an idea of maintaining purity amongst all races.

Anyway, they're nuts, but at least now I slightly better understand these nuts.

11/2/2008 12:58:38 AM

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"The other three seemed less interested in white vs black and more interested in the separation of white and black... less an idea of hate and superiority than an idea of maintaining purity amongst all races."

People who identify as white nationalists or white racialists tend to think like that.

11/2/2008 1:04:30 AM

^ i wonder how they feel about inbreeding?

Because that's as pure as you get.

11/2/2008 1:06:05 AM

^ You should go over to Stormfront and start a thread on that. Could be worth a few lulz.

11/2/2008 1:07:24 AM

^ between the days of steve9194 and salisburyboy, i've read enough websites like that. It typically depresses me and makes me irritable for about a week to know people that think that way breathe the same air as me.

11/2/2008 1:13:29 AM

I've known a fair numbers of folks like that. Mostly through the internet, but in person as well.

11/2/2008 1:27:32 AM

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"less an idea of hate and superiority than an idea of maintaining purity amongst all races.""

Yeah, but implied in that line of thinking is that sooner or later, someone is going to have to move out -- can't have purity of the races with everyone living all together and whatnot. And I have this gut feeling that the white nationalists intend to be the ones to pack up and head out. I don't think they particularly want to negotiate the matter, either.

Their ideology doesn't call for the eradication of other races from the earth, but it does ultimately call for the eradication of other races in their nation. Which isn't so much "their nation" as it is "the place they live that has a Constitution that spares them from brutal mob justice and government-sponsored extermination."

11/2/2008 1:47:18 AM

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"And I have this gut feeling that the white nationalists don't intend to be the ones to pack up and head out."

Did you forget that?

11/2/2008 1:49:55 AM

^^ Yes, that's quite right. Some members of the community prepare for coming ethnic cleansing, distributing manuals and whatnot. Others may want a white homeland constructed somewhere, based on the Israeli model. I don't know.

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 1:53 AM. Reason : ^]

11/2/2008 1:53:17 AM

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"an 8-0 record as a professional boxer under the nickname, "The Aryan Barbarian.""

lol

11/2/2008 10:44:21 AM

Really shouldn't be a surprise that neo-nazi leadership might have an "interest" in OBama winning.

The event I am sure would flood their membership count with angry white youth

11/2/2008 1:22:07 PM

the black jew nationalist guy was insane.

11/2/2008 2:07:19 PM

the likes and dislikes are pure gold:

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"Likes: Guns, bed sheets, burning crosses Likes: Third Reich, the movie Rocky Likes: White people, karaoke, environmentalists Dislikes: White oppressors, black women"

11/3/2008 2:20:39 PM

the old addage about politics making strange bedfellows holds true.

seeing as how i lol'd at this, it made me remember back when steve9194 would post here - he would sometimes talk about how he agreed with Chris Rock's honest type of comedy.

11/3/2008 2:30:11 PM

hahahaha yeah i definitely laughed at the karaoke.

11/3/2008 2:32:56 PM

funny as hell!!

11/3/2008 2:33:28 PM

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"Did you forget that?"

Yep.

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"Others may want a white homeland constructed somewhere, based on the Israeli model."

It's possible, but of course, isn't that the same thing? Wherever they go, there will be non-white people that have to be expelled, so then it just becomes a question of whether the ethnic cleansing happens in America or somewhere else. However, since most of these programs have a strong "pro-American" element, if you can call it that, and in years of discourse with this scum I've never heard a single one so much as mention the prospect of whites moving out of here to somewhere else to start a white homeland. Perhaps more chillingly, a lot of times they're quiet on the subject of where all the nonwhites would go.

11/3/2008 5:04:08 PM

11/3/2008 5:39:41 PM