just because there has been discussion and you folks cant figure it out without people like me

first because its easily googled:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_eligible

then, JUST IN CASE State happens to win, no jinx, here is what would happen or we'd need to happen for our chances at a bowl:

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""If you scroll back in this topic, you will find the exact rule about 7 win teams over 6 win teams. Here is the important thing to know. If an ACC team wins 7 games, then they must be selected in the bowl pecking order. It doesn't matter where, just as long as they are one of the nine slots. Here is where this affects NC State. Right now seven teams have 7 wins (GT, FSU, BC, Mary, VT, UNC, Mia). Those 7 are guaranteed to be selected. IF...and this is the huge IF.....but if Wake and Clemson both win next week, they both get to 7 wins, and suddenly those 9 teams are locked into the nine slots. NCSU and UVA would get shut out of the whole list regardless of if we win. We would then be scrambling to fill an at-large spot somewhere else. Not only that, but in that situation, we would have to wait for every 7-5 team in the country to get filled before we could go anywhere. NOW...if Wake or Clemson loses, then the whole ball game changes. Let's say for instance that Wake wins, and Clemson loses. Now we have 8 seven win teams, and the only rule is those eight teams have to go somewhere. At this point a 6 win NC State can move up the bowl selection ladder as far as the selection committees want as long as we are within one conference game of who is ahead of us (which we would be because everyone in the league is 5-3 or worse). So let's say that it gets to the sixth pick (Charlotte) and FSU, VT, GT, UNC, and BC are off the board. Then the committee would be choosing from NCSU (6-6), Mary (7 or 8 wins), Wake (7-5), Mia (7-5). The question is to them: How important is selling tickets? We would sell a ton coming off of a 4 game winning streak and being a short drive. Wake would struggle to travel esp. since they were there last year. Miami doesn't travel to a 6th place bowl, and Maryland travels ok, but would be possibly on a 2 game losing streak......OR if Maryland beats BC next week, Maryland could be off the board, and BC even at 8-4 could keep on dropping. Bottom line is this: #1 - we have to win. #2 - we have to hope that their are not nine other ACC teams that have 7 wins and become defined as a "deserving winning team" As long as those two things happen, I'd be pretty surprised if the Meineke Car Care Bowl passes us up. I guess we'll read more about it this week. But that is the way I interpret the rules. There is proof that a 6-6 team can be picked over a 7-5 team (see last year, Maryland picked before Georgia Tech) But the big issue is that a 7-5 can't be left out in the cold over a 6-6...that is why we need Vandy or South Carolina next week to help us out.""

11/23/2008 8:09:35 PM

oh what would we do without you.

11/23/2008 8:12:15 PM

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"no jinx"

It's okay, I already jinxed us.

11/23/2008 8:13:01 PM

1. i love how someone doesnt understand a question and then assumes that everyone else needs to be educated, when in fact everyone else understand the basic rules of bowl eligbility

2. i like how someone claims credit his ability to explain something when he is in fact only quoting someone else's explanation (or at least i assume this is the case since he didnt claim credit for the post in the other thread)

11/23/2008 8:16:26 PM

1) just cleanring it up so we dont have to answer the same question millions of times like the scholarship question in bball

2) in fact, it was not my post but because i can find that info i feel the need to be considered as educated and well versed on the subject.

11/23/2008 8:20:11 PM

I agree. This was a douche move.

11/23/2008 8:20:19 PM

JT3 is always that guy who thinks/acts like he's smarter than everyone else when he's really not even as smart as the average person

This isn't a one time deal...its a recurring pattern

11/23/2008 8:20:36 PM

prove it^

11/23/2008 8:21:18 PM

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"^^^so in other words, your post DOESNT answer the question, at least not directly also, based on your reply, i feel like you are not understanding what we are asking. obviously, clemson is currently 6-5, and in a normal year, would already be bowl eligible but since they played two 1-aa teams, they need that 7th win. this is clear and everyone in this thread understands it. the question comes in when comparing a hypothetical 6-6 ncsu team to a hypothetical 7-5 clemson team as far as this 7-5 always over 6-6 rule is concerned. as far as this rule is concerned, is clemson 7-5 and would be above us at 6-6 or is clemson 6-5 and be in the same boat as us at 6-6? that is the fundamental question that we are trying to get answered, and unfortunatley we would prob need some sort of ncaa/acc official to tell us. "

11/23/2008 8:21:59 PM

if clemson is 7-5 they are above us
they get chosen because they are a 7 win team and HAVE to by rule get chosen first


if they lose, we are tied and the bowls would then have to choose which team they would wanna pick

you count ONE FCS team victory no matter WHAT towards bowl eligibility.
i think its fairly clear



[Edited on November 23, 2008 at 8:28 PM. Reason : f]

11/23/2008 8:25:46 PM

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"JT3 is always that guy who thinks/acts like he's smarter than everyone else when he's really not even as smart as the average person"

no offense, but JT3 will never be able to take that title away from roddy

11/23/2008 8:27:01 PM

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"if they lose, we are tied and the bowls would then have to choose which team they would wanna pick"

If clemson loses, they aren't bowl eligible so it's a moot point

[Edited on November 23, 2008 at 8:31 PM. Reason : ]

11/23/2008 8:30:24 PM

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"if they lose, we are tied and the bowls would then have to choose which team they would wanna pick you count ONE FCS team victory no matter WHAT towards bowl eligibility. i think its fairly clear"

yea, it isnt clear to you. if clemson loses, they are not bowl eligible. they are 5-6 as far as bowls are conccerned.

11/23/2008 8:32:09 PM

right because they have two FCS teams

its clear to me, completely clear to me

i just think we are seeing it from two different sides but yet we see the same thing.

we both know the destination but are taking two different roads.

11/23/2008 8:33:39 PM

you fucks will argue about anygoddamnthing.

11/23/2008 8:34:57 PM

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"if they lose, we are tied and the bowls would then have to choose which team they would wanna pick"

ok, if it is clear to you, then tell me that you understand that this statement that you wrote is completely wrong

11/23/2008 8:37:30 PM

i was referring to SC in that post because it was mentioned about the cocks


so that clarifies that.

we both get it...haha lets just drop it and pray theres not a jinx and we win

11/23/2008 8:39:42 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowlprojection?season=2008&week=13

Eagle Bank Bowl?

11/23/2008 8:57:36 PM

guessing that's the new bowl in DC

11/23/2008 9:43:23 PM

that would be an exciting bowl for TOB

11/23/2008 11:19:23 PM

yeah, whatever. any bowl right now is cool i guess. whatever gets players excited for next year.

11/23/2008 11:21:56 PM

Clemson actually needs to win next week, because one of their wins doesn't count towards bowl eligibility. You can only use one FCS win.

11/23/2008 11:25:10 PM

Awesome if we got the charlotte bowl vrs West by god Virginia. Here's to that!

11/24/2008 1:43:21 AM

So if Clemson wins, they are in the same boat as us, correct? They would only have 6 wins that count. So really, all we need is for Vandy to beat Wake, everything else is up to us.

11/24/2008 3:21:23 AM

There's no way Charlotte passes on us. We're the best FBS team in the state going by the fact that we swept through all the others. Not to mention the largest fan base in the Meck area (for football anyway, they are mostly UNC bball whores but those fans never care about football)

11/24/2008 3:24:43 AM

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"Clemson actually needs to win next week, because one of their wins doesn't count towards bowl eligibility. You can only use one FCS win."

OH MAN THANKS THAT ISNT EXPLICITLY MENTIONED 8 OTHER TIMES IN THIS THREAD

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"So if Clemson wins, they are in the same boat as us, correct? They would only have 6 wins that count. So really, all we need is for Vandy to beat Wake, everything else is up to us."

yea that was the question i was trying to get answered in the other thread that led to jt3 getting confused and making this thread

11/24/2008 7:51:19 AM

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"Eagle Bank Bowl?"

it would be a little cold but i would love to go to DC for a bowl game

11/24/2008 9:25:12 AM

you folks

i.e.

you people

11/24/2008 9:26:17 AM

this is fucking golden

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/story/4011172/

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"The ACC champion goes to the Orange Bowl. The Chick-fil-A – which had two representatives at the game - has the second pick, the Gator Bowl the third and the Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando, Fla., the fourth. The Chick-fil-A was the only bowl with representatives in the press box, and one Chick-fil-A rep said he was all set to go on the radio with Woody Durham after the game – if the Tar Heels won. Instead, the bowl rep got an early start on his trip back to Atlanta. After the top four bowls, the ACC then works with the bowls in Nashville, Charlotte and San Francisco to determine the next three slots. The eighth ACC team goes to Boise and a ninth would land in the new EagleBank Bowl in Washington and face Navy on Dec. 20. Could that be a spot for N.C. State, coached by former Midshipman O’Brien? Could be. On Saturday, the Wolfpack continued to right its ship – and cause trouble for Carolina – in an outcome that was both surprising and decisive."

11/24/2008 4:32:22 PM

hahaha

Fuck you guys, I'm going home.

11/24/2008 4:35:23 PM

Of the bowls we have a shot at

I'd prefer DC, then Charlotte, then Nashville

Boise or San francisco would kinda suck

tho NYM would probably jerk off to some Emerald Nuts

11/24/2008 4:37:17 PM

id love to go back to DC for a few days
nashville is a hellofa good time city too

11/24/2008 4:41:00 PM

here's to beating miami so this thread is relevant.

11/24/2008 4:59:36 PM

JT3: don't listen to the flamers. I appreciate your op. I watch a good bit a of football, but have never paid attention to the details of the convoluted bowl eligibility rules.

11/24/2008 6:59:40 PM

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"There's no way Charlotte passes on us."

its possible that UNC would get it over us unfortunately

11/24/2008 7:11:55 PM

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"its possible that UNC would get it over us unfortunately"

Really? UNC fans aren't known for their enthusiasm for football. And since money is what bowls are all about (for the hosts), I'm not sure I agree with that. But they have been so overhyped this season, who knows.

11/24/2008 7:52:33 PM

I don't think anyone would disagree that our football fanbase is more passionate and travels better than UNC's, but when they were in the Meineke bowl a few years ago they did travel well...of course there are already a lot of UNC fans in Charlotte so it wasn't much travel, but they actually came out and showed up for their bowl game despite having a worse season than this year

However maybe a few years ago they were just happy to be at a bowl game period so they showed up since it was local...maybe they won't be as excited this year since they seem to be finishing the season on a down note, but they will have more wins than us, so if Meineke wanted them, they could get them over State

11/24/2008 7:59:30 PM

Why the hell would anybody want to go to a bowl game in DC?

11/24/2008 7:59:42 PM

^^^ haven't you heard - just listen to UNC fans. They're going to the PEACH BOWL. Without a doubt. There's actually people on IC looking for hotel rooms & flights already. They're "so attractive to bowls" they think they're just going to wallop duke and head to ATL.

someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought the top 3 bowls were Orange, Peach, Gator - and those 3 had to go to the top 3 ACC teams. After that there's a hierarchy but the order isn't mandatory. i thought they started this rule after we jumped a couple people to go to the Gator bowl. So really it should be - VT/GT/BC/FSU in the top 4 bowls right? followed then by UNC, UMD, Wake, and whoever else gets eligible.

oh and we need Clempsun to lose. and Wake. and UVA. and UNC, just for kicks.

^ shit i'd go. get a hotel room and party my ass off that weekend. you just better hope we don't get WVA in the charlotte bowl, you'll be torn in half.

[Edited on November 24, 2008 at 8:11 PM. Reason : .]

11/24/2008 8:10:25 PM

my preference would be #1 win the game Saturday, #2 Charlotte bowl a couple days after christmas and good time for the weekend, #3 the Nashville bowl for a hell of a party and a bowl game, #4 DC and a party before Christmas, and #5 ANY BOWL.

11/24/2008 8:15:24 PM

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"OH MAN THANKS THAT ISNT EXPLICITLY MENTIONED 8 OTHER TIMES IN THIS THREAD"

I see my mistake. Thank you for pointing it out.

11/24/2008 8:31:08 PM

Haha dude, defense would be an afterthought in a WVU/NCSU bowl game. Unfortunately it would probably be State's D that would be more of an afterthought. No one in the ACC has even close to the speed on offense as WVU.

11/24/2008 8:47:44 PM

it would go both ways though

our O line vs that terrible D they have?

make a good game I think.

11/24/2008 8:49:00 PM

So, if we make a bowl, what are our chances of winning said bowl?

11/24/2008 8:49:18 PM

^^^I hate to play the transitive game, but ECU...WVU...NCSU

11/24/2008 8:50:05 PM

^^^Uh...WVU ranks 33rd nationally in total defense. 44th in pass defense, 41st in rush defense, and 11th in scoring defense.

Whereas State is last in the ACC in almost every defensive category (86th in total D). Granted we had all those injuries for most of the year on D.

But still, saying WVU's defense is terrible is way off the mark.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2008/Internet/conf%20stats/DIVISIONB.HTML

[Edited on November 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM. Reason : .]

11/24/2008 9:03:24 PM

they havent played anyone

11/24/2008 9:05:54 PM

Not gonna get into a Big East v. ACC thing here, but having been to all the WVU home games this season I can attest that their defense is at least decent.

11/24/2008 9:16:46 PM

Turns out Clempson doesn't have a "p". See that a lot here, so maybe it's intentional.

11/24/2008 9:23:18 PM

haha, i think people that do that are trying to make fun of them some how, like with tarholes


yea, i dont get it either

11/24/2008 9:24:56 PM