Jeepman keeps telling me to put used oil, diesel kleen, and 2 stroke marine oil in my tank, is this legit?

12/4/2008 9:59:40 AM

all three at once?




[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 10:03 AM. Reason : =]

12/4/2008 10:02:04 AM

He said every time he fills up his Dodge he puts in cleaner and marine oil.



[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 10:08 AM. Reason : oops]

12/4/2008 10:07:54 AM

jesus that get's expensive..... although my fill-ups are currently in the $22 range

12/4/2008 10:12:04 AM

This last tank i have been running the Diesel Kleen Diesel Fuel supplement+ Cetane Boost. It is hte one in the white bottle. I could very well be imagining it, but i think it has made the truck a little easier to start on these cold mornings we've been having lately. I don't know if it is really worth it or not. Matt is probably just trying to boost Advance Auto's stock prices by selling you worthless shit!

12/4/2008 10:32:39 AM

Well i dialed in the pump on mine, and it started making smoke like dammit. Next fill up (last thurs) I threw in a bottle of some diesel additive at the station, and it actually seems to smoke less. I am gonna change the oil real soon, not sure if I want to dump the old oil into the tank or not.

12/4/2008 10:40:35 AM

^you running a 12V as well?

12/4/2008 10:47:29 AM

wot

12/4/2008 10:52:15 AM

WHAT'S YER DIESEL TRUK?

12/4/2008 10:53:53 AM

its a 2.5L land rover Tdi

12/4/2008 10:58:01 AM

oh, alright

12/4/2008 11:00:39 AM

I seriously doubt if i would run waste motor oil in that, but only because I don't know about them. Have you tried searching for experiences online of people burning oil in them?

12V Cummins, no question i would burn that shit.

12/4/2008 11:03:23 AM

Dude...you definitely ought to try some good injector cleaner. The Power Service Diesel Kleen stuff works pretty good, and Stanadyne makes a really good one (but you gotta get it at truck stops etc). I used to throw in a quart of ATF with damn near every fillup on Mom's old Caprice Estate with the 5.7 Olds diesel and it made all the difference in the world. I'd LOVE to build an Olds 5.7 for a project one of these days if I could scare up the parts, lol. Nobody makes anything for them anymore...prolly because there are all of six in running shape across the whole country, if that many.

^Most major industrial/truck diesel manufacturers document allowances for burning a small percentage of waste motor oil. Cummins sets the limit at around 5%, I think. You can put as much as you want to in it, up until the damn thing starts smoking and misfiring. I put like 2 or 3 gallons in the SuperDodge once with a fillup. Loped at idle and filled the parking lot up with smoke...

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM. Reason : blahblah.]

12/4/2008 11:04:07 AM

if you did it when roadfuel was bumping $5 you saved $10-15. Thats pretty sweet, especially when you add in the community service value of smoking mosquitoes out in the summer.

12/4/2008 11:21:43 AM

my diesel is too much of a pansy to put in anything other than ULSD and Stanadyne / Power Service.

12/4/2008 11:28:46 AM

the question is, when did europe start using ulsd and what year is the motor?

12/4/2008 3:38:10 PM

i use stanadyne performance formula every tank fill. i prefer it for two reasons: it is the only additive approved by gm and it is a water demulsifier which means it actually takes the water out of the fuel so it can be removed from the fuel filter whereas others just mix it with the fuel and allow the water to pass through the injectors which isn't something you really want to do with high pressure nozzles.

http://www.stanadyne.com/view.php?id=74

12/4/2008 4:25:47 PM

I use Diesel Kleen with every fillup (that I can afford haha), the gray bottle. Definately try to use atleast that ever since they pansied our fuel.

12/4/2008 5:48:47 PM

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"the question is, when did europe start using ulsd and what year is the motor?"

I would love to find out what year they started- the engine is stamped '97

12/4/2008 7:06:14 PM

well, here's the deal... if ulsd was available in europe (or other export markets that got the diesel), then you're probably fine to only run an additive every so often to keep the injectors, etc. in good shape. if ulsd wasn't available in 97, then you need to be running something every tank to make up for lost lubricity. ulsd has been available (not required per se) since the early 90's in some parts of the world, but i don't know when it became required for the eu.

anyway, here's what i recommend and what i personally do for my non ulsd compliant engine:

-two stroke oil with every fill up unless i'm burning waste oil

-diesel kleen at every oil change (8-10k)

knock on wood, i haven't had any problems relative to ulsd yet. on the contrary, almost everyone i know that has an older truck an hasn't been adding something for lubricity has had problems with seals, hoses, lift pumps, etc. all going bad.

with that ve pump, you should be fine to burn whatever the hell you want to in terms of fuel. atf, waste oil, etc... just filter it well before you put it in unless the fuel filter is easily accessible/cheap. you'll notice some slight differences in smoke and power depending on what you put in and how much of it due to varying btu's, but it'll run fine.

12/4/2008 11:30:44 PM

^why do you run diesel kleen at every oil change? if you are just wanting to keep the fuel system clean then run a tank of B20. that shit will clean the hell out of your fuel system. i run the additive for the extra lubricity and increase in cetane. and to be quite honest, any increase in cetane is definitely noticeable. there's a wilco near my house that has a sticker posted on the pump stating "minimum 45 cetane". i did a little research and found out that the majority of fuel suppliers only offer 40 cetane. i try to fill up there everytime because of the increased cetane and the fact that they have a high turnover in fuel due to all the trucks that fill up there.

12/5/2008 8:52:02 AM

check this out:

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"Sweden Since 1990, diesel fuel with a sulfur content of 50 ppm (0.005%) has been available on the Swedish market. From the year 1992, production started of a diesel fuel with 2 to 5 ppm of sulfur and a maximum of 5% by volume aromatics. There are certain tax incentives for using this fuel and from about year 2000, this low aromatic, low sulfur fuel has achieved 98-99% penetration of the Swedish diesel fuel market. Now RME (rapeseed methyl ester, also called biodiesel) is often usen as lubricant, but there are also synthetic super lubricants available on the market. Since 2003, a zero sulfur and very low aromatic content (less than 1% by volume) diesel fuel has been made available on the Swedish market under the name EcoPar. It is used wherever the working environment is highly polluted, like where diesel trucks are used in confined spaces such inside boats in harbours, inside storage houses, during construction of road and rail tunnels & in vehicles that are predominantly run in city centres, etc."

I know that LR sold trucks with these engines in Sweden, so one would assume that any engine they sold in Europe would meet the same standard of compatibility? Their diesels were the same in every other country except US, why they never sold the diesels here I havent figured out yet.

12/5/2008 9:39:42 AM

^interesting. yeah, common car sense would tell me that they would have made everything ulsd compatible, but who knows for sure.

they didn't export them to the u.s. because it's unlikely they would have been profitable. the general american market doesn't like diesels or understand the advantages of them. they've never been embraced here like they have been in pretty much every other part of the world. people are more aware now than they used to be, but 10-15 years ago hell no. times were good, gas was relatively cheap, and diesels were just these loud/noisy/smelly creatures that only contractors and hippies drove.

^^it's probably a waste now that i've started burning waste atf as i can get it. the original purpose was to keep the injectors happy. i'm sure the atf cleans anything just as well though. honestly, i wouldn't even know where to find a station with b20. it's easier to just grab a few bottles of diesel kleen when i'm at advance and have them on hand in the truck as needed. i run the two stroke oil for lubricity, hell of a lot cheaper. i buy a generic brand in bulk from walmart. can't recall the name off hand, but it's supposed to be just as good as any of your name brand tcw3 stuff. not really concerned with cetane since it's just a work truck plus 7.3's don't turn enough rpm's to really take advantage of that high of a cetane number.

[Edited on December 5, 2008 at 2:30 PM. Reason : supertec is the walmart oil, just remembered. iirc it's made by penzoil...]

12/5/2008 2:28:51 PM

The gas station on the left just past 540 on six forks sells b20, that's the only station in raleigh that I know of. Supposedly there's another place downtown but i've never seen it. The state uses b20 but it is for governernment use only, no private

How much 2 stroke oil do you use? I might start doing that. Sounds cheaper.

12/5/2008 3:36:04 PM

yeah, definitely not riding all the way out there unless i really need to.

i do 1oz. per gallon on the two stroke. easier for me since i don't always fill up. anything +/- 200:1 is fine.

12/5/2008 5:48:43 PM

I used to fill up on it every time, for a few months I worked at the merchants at six forks and strickland, about half a mile away. Really made it easy for the transition when I was testing my home made biodiesel too.

12/5/2008 8:01:02 PM