Today is the one year anniversary of the murder of former UNC student body president, Eve Carson. A memorial ceremony is being held in the Pit at UNC this afternoon. I can't believe it has been an entire year already



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3/5/2009 9:06:12 AM

I can't believe you posted that gigantic sidescrolling picture.

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3/5/2009 9:07:51 AM

i didn't mean for it to be so big, i changed it

3/5/2009 9:08:21 AM

was she a personal friend of yours, bdmazur?

3/5/2009 9:17:33 AM

I can't believe it's been a year.

oh and let's forget about the duke guy too, I mean he wasn't a pretty blonde girl.



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3/5/2009 9:45:54 AM

you should have seen some of the stuff the guys over in the BY on PackPride were posting

they had the tard holes so worked up that they were trying to get Pack Pride shut down and some tard hole even sent lee fucking fowler an email about stepping in and removing the thread ...

this girl is no more important than any other murdered person

let
it
go

3/5/2009 10:45:53 AM

Sucks that she got killed and all, but hell, a lot of people get killed, and a lot of them don't deserve it. That's life. I didn't know her, know anyone who knew her, or even knew who she was before she got killed. I don't think I should have any more of a reaction to her than I have to any other random person who got murdered.

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3/5/2009 11:06:58 AM

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" I don't think I should have any more of a reaction to her than I have to any other random person who got murdered."

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"this girl is no more important than any other murdered person"

This isn't quite accurate. I think I see the point you're trying to make... more like:
"this girl's murder is no more important than any other murdered person"

In saying that she "is no more important than any other murdered person," you're implying that she was no more important in life.

Feel free to disagree, but the fact that she was so educated, talented and accomplished does mean that she was more important than other losers who suck at life. She was more important than most. So while her murder is no more important than any other murder, she is more important than many other murdered people. (btw, I'm not saying that everyone shouldn't "let it go".)

3/5/2009 11:20:01 AM

^ the point still stands, then, that the Duke graduate student who was killed by the same thugs should get as much attention as Eve Carson. According to your definition, he was "better at life" than most murdered people, and probably "better at life" than Eve, considering he came from a nearly-3rd world country and was getting a graduate degree at one of the best universities in the world.

But nope, he was Indian, and not much of a looker. So, you know..... no big loss.

The overall point is the reaction to Eve's murder just perpetuates the Nancy Grace "white girl gone missing" media hysteria bullshit.

3/5/2009 11:27:06 AM

^
Yes, the racial and image aspect was unfortunate. The media loves a pretty white girl.
But both of these victims are surely more important than most random murder victims.
(Anyone got stats on the average murder victim?)

3/5/2009 11:30:29 AM

ok, fine. So where is the Duke guys' "one year later" thread?
I would look it up, but I don't know the guys name. And I'm guessing you don't either, nor bdmazur, nor anyone else in this thread.

3/5/2009 11:33:12 AM

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"She was more important than most. "

get the fuck out of here you fuck

3/5/2009 11:33:47 AM

To take the Nancy Grace aspect a bit farther...
I didn't know a Duke student had been murdered at the same time until a few weeks after I knew about Carson.
I hadn't seen a picture of the Duke student until last week.
I hadn't heard his name until last week. (and I've already forgotten it.)
But with Eve Carson, man, I know everything about her...


It's a huge tragedy that she (and he) were killed.
Is the world a worse place without them in it? Sure, I guess.
Would I prefer they both still be alive? Of course. I value life very greatly.
Should I care any more than I care about any other murdered person? Not at all.



[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM. Reason : i like hard returns. soft-return/line-wrapping is for the birds]

3/5/2009 11:36:20 AM

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"Quote : "She was more important than most. " get the fuck out of here you fuck "

Yeah, that's a pretty fucked up thing to say. There is obviously no way to know what someone could have meant to the world had they not been murdered. Some brown person who was murdered somewhere could have gone on to make an enormous impact on the world while Carson could have become a housewife addicted to vallium. You can make a guess based on where they are in life when they're killed, but you'll never know how "important" any given murder victim could be. Sure, she was a class president and likely would have gone on to have a successful career, but how does that make her any more important to you than any other murder victim?

3/5/2009 12:24:32 PM

^
Calm down buddy... All I did was

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"make a guess based on where they are in life when they're killed,"

, which is all you can do for people that get killed. duh. Plus, their lives are over, and yet they already accomplished more than most murder victims. That is not an unfair, insensitive, or inaccurate statement.

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"get the fuck out of here you fuck"

You get the fuck out of here you fuck. Both of these murder victims were more important than most, by most any measure.
BUT NOOOO!!!!!!!!1111 YOU CAN'T MEASURE A PERSONS' WORTH!!!! WAAA WE'RE ALL EQUAL!!!1 WAAAA!! stfu

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"Some brown person who was murdered somewhere could have gone on to make an enormous impact on the world while Carson could have become a housewife addicted to vallium"

Are you racist?
You've put Carson as the hare, but why did you pick someone of a different race as the tortoise? (you're a racist, that's why)


[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 12:49 PM. Reason : \/ I hate when the last word or two of a sentence are the only words to wrap over to the next line..]

3/5/2009 12:40:52 PM

^you going to edit that shit anymore?

3/5/2009 12:45:35 PM

is it really that shocking that there's more human interest in the murder of an attractive southern white girl from north carolina than a foreigner grad student who for most of his life lived in India?

3/5/2009 12:58:52 PM

oh and let's forget about the duke guy too, I mean he wasn't a pretty blonde girl.

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"To take the Nancy Grace aspect a bit farther... I didn't know a Duke student had been murdered at the same time until a few weeks after I knew about Carson. I hadn't seen a picture of the Duke student until last week. I hadn't heard his name until last week. (and I've already forgotten it.) But with Eve Carson, man, I know everything about her... "

actually i had remembered hearing about that prior to this murder, i was actually shocked when they made the connection between the two..but i actually did remember that case enough to be like "whoa thats crazy"

because honestly im surprised they were investigating the former case enough to make the connection

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3/5/2009 1:02:55 PM

^^

No.

But until people draw attention to it, things will never change.

3/5/2009 1:05:46 PM

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"To take the Nancy Grace aspect a bit farther... I didn't know a Duke student had been murdered at the same time until a few weeks after I knew about Carson. I hadn't seen a picture of the Duke student until last week. I hadn't heard his name until last week. (and I've already forgotten it.)"

I hear people say things like this a lot, in reference to more news stories than just this. The thing is, Mahato's murder was a reasonably big story when it happened. His photograph, name, etc. were all over the News & Observer, WRAL, etc. The story petered out soon afterward due to a combination of the cops' complete lack of leads and, unfortunately, the previously mentioned discriminatory factors (not a pretty white girl). But all of these people who say things like "I had no idea about this, no one said anything about it" are simply not paying attention to local news.

None of this is to say that Carson's media coverage isn't disproportionate or anything, however.

3/5/2009 1:06:40 PM

who the fuck cares

3/5/2009 1:08:29 PM

Today we are all pretty blonde girls

3/5/2009 1:08:37 PM

^ if only that were true

3/5/2009 1:11:02 PM

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"you going to edit that shit anymore? "

3/5/2009 1:12:10 PM

I made this thread because yes, I did know her. We weren't close friends or anything, but we had met a few times and she was such an inspirational leader. She was everything I wished I could be. I didn't mean any disrespect by not mentioning the Duke situation as well (the grad student's name was Abhijit Mahato), but I don't have the same emotional connection to him, much the same way most of you who never met Eve are saying its not a big deal anymore.

Eve did not receive more press just because she was a pretty white girl. She was a community leader and effected the lives of every single person she ever came in contact with.

3/5/2009 1:42:29 PM

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"Eve did not receive more press just because she was a pretty white girl. She was a community leader and effected the lives of every single person she ever came in contact with."

Not to speak ill of the dead, because i'm sure she was a lovely person, but when people make comments such as the one above its clear pandering. they want to connect to her. she was just like everyone else. she had her enemies and she had her friends. its the same thing as an artist who dies and was poor during life. once gone people create an appreciation for things. i'm sure the real friends of the murdered duke student will say he affected the lives of everyone he met, because they met him, knew him, and had a connection to him.

the difference in this situation is that the people around the nation can't attached themselves and fabricate a connection with a third world country graduation student. eve they could because she reminded a large faction of this country (middle class and above white americans) that something bad could happen to them too, and so all of a sudden they cared about the state of the world.

3/5/2009 2:19:13 PM

If Eve was not a pretty white girl, but was still a community leader, the scale of attention given to this story would be vastly lower.

3/5/2009 2:28:56 PM

^ The Nancy Grace effect.

3/5/2009 2:31:48 PM

i mean natalie holloway is getting a movie made about her. please tell me if she was a poor black girl that got drunk in aruba and went missing that the same would have happened.

3/5/2009 2:42:01 PM

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"Sucks that she got killed and all, but hell, a lot of people get killed, and a lot of them don't deserve it. That's life. I didn't know her, know anyone who knew her, or even knew who she was before she got killed. I don't think I should have any more of a reaction to her than I have to any other random person who got murdered. "

You are an idiot. The situation surrounding this is what makes this significant. This is not some prostitute police found in a dumpster or some gang-banger killed in a drug feud. This was a young, ambitious, future contributing member of society that got car jacked. During which she was forced to give some thugs her ATM card (and PIN) before being murdered in cold blood by hoodlums that represent the scum of our society.



These guys were not just some poor hungry men that merely robbed Eve to get some drugs or to feed themselves and in the heat of the moment she got killed. Eve was killed without remorse as a premeditated act of violence.

Had the situation been reverse. Two rednecks in Goldsboro NC kill a black girl; you know the shit-storm would have been just as bad if not worse. There would be protest rallies, Al Sharpton bitching, and all this media hype even if the murder was not racially motivated.

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"please tell me If she was a poor black girl that got drunk in aruba Jackson Mississippi and went missing than the same would have happened. "

Fixed it for u

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3/5/2009 2:43:34 PM

Lauren Burk (Auburn) and Carson received national coverage because they were pretty white girls. The same reason Natalee Holloway received coverage.

The Duke graduate student and the NCCU girl found dead on the side of 540 received very little coverage locally, and none at all on the national level.

Why? Because they weren't pretty white girls, and pretty white girls are what sell.

3/5/2009 3:08:18 PM

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"Eve was killed without remorse as a premeditated act of violence."

as was Mahato!

3/5/2009 3:09:19 PM

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"future contributing member of society"

uh huh

3/5/2009 3:25:05 PM

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"and pretty white girls are what sell."

and according to the dutch guy last seen with natalee[sic] holloway, thats exactly what did happen.

3/5/2009 3:26:49 PM

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"and according to the dutch guy last seen with natalee[sic] holloway, thats exactly what did happen."

no need, I spelled her name correctly for you.

(you spelled it erroneously earlier)

3/5/2009 3:40:12 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway

3/5/2009 3:47:08 PM

^^i was picking on you, you jack ass. if i was i would have quoted you and put sic beside what you said and then called you out. i was doing it because her parents spelt her name in such an idiotic way.

calm down

3/5/2009 4:05:54 PM

I think the Auburn chick was hotter.

3/5/2009 4:06:15 PM

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"Are you racist? You've put Carson as the hare, but why did you pick someone of a different race as the tortoise? (you're a racist, that's why)"

What the fuck? That comparison is exactly what we're talking about. Maybe I could have used a more PC term than "brown person" but it's not really racist.

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3/5/2009 10:52:15 PM

I, too, love pretty blonde girls.

3/5/2009 11:18:00 PM

3/6/2009 12:10:53 AM

I'm going to have to say I'm not sure this was not thread-worthy really. Anyone that still gave a damn, someone like you who knew her personally and was seriously impacted by her death would already know about the stuff.

I mean several of my recently deceased relatives, people whose deaths impacted me greatly, members of the 'greatest generation' and all that, did more for this country and society that she had the 'potential' to do, but you don't see me making memorial threads all willy nilly.

And anyone that denies that this was a case of 'pretty white girl' syndrome is painfully naive, I know she was a great role model and volunteer and all that, but it's way too easy to empathize with a poor innocent perfect beautiful girl and the media has an infatuation with tragic stories like hers

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3/6/2009 1:15:33 AM

Hang the sons of bitches that did it.

Hang pretty much all the sons of bitches that commit murder, too, and slap the shit out of people that say/said, "Normally I don't support the death penalty, but in Carson's case I make an exception."

And there were people on this board that said that.

And I damn near threw up over it.

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3/6/2009 2:38:50 AM

Why a hanging versus other means of execution? If someone is to be executed, I do advise that firing squad, hanging, or death by other physical means is used as the organs can be salvaged from the corpse.

It's a shame that anyone is murdered, what a waste of a mind.

3/6/2009 3:20:39 AM

I nominate Willy Nilly as the biggest fucktard on the internet

your logic is so fucking retarded

3/6/2009 5:53:37 AM

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"I mean several of my recently deceased relatives, people whose deaths impacted me greatly, members of the 'greatest generation' and all that, did more for this country and society that she had the 'potential' to do, but you don't see me making memorial threads all willy nilly. "

Not be mean but old people are supposed to die.

A 21 yr old otherwise law-abiding, tax-paying, academically achieving, altrusitic individual like Eve does not get kidnapped and killed
over $100 by some ghetto fucks proving their street cred.

This is like nature related deaths. More people die every year from cold weather or heat-related deaths; yet if a tornado rolls by picks up a house and kills
a family of 4 it makes head lines.

3/6/2009 8:07:35 AM

^
Good point.


^^

How is it "retarded"? And how am I a "fucktard"?
Why don't you actually join the conversation instead of slinging insults from the sideline like a pussy?

3/6/2009 8:47:12 AM