what the HELL were you thinking (note, this is just the PAGE HEADER):



when your page header is LONGER THAN THE PAGE CONTENT, something's wrong. i thought it was just something NCSU did in their implementation (which wouldn't surprise me in the least, considering their less-than-stellar UIs in the past), but it's like this on every single PS implementation i've ever seen.

why the hell would you put THAT MUCH JAVASCRIPT and THAT MUCH CSS (badly formed CSS, at that) in a page header? hell, why even put plain CSS/JS in a header anyway?

also note that it seems to include JS that helps with page editing and whatnot even though i don't have editing privs... why return that much crap if you don't have to?



this honestly doesn't surprise me at all, considering how absolutely horrible i've discovered that peoplesoft is through my attempts to get something to even parse the crap it outputs... and their laughable use of AJAX (when you click a button, you get a little hidden span that says "Processing...", but the page actually submits a form whenever you do ANYTHING)

i want to punch this in the face. why would ANYONE ever use this shit?

[Edited on May 11, 2009 at 7:19 AM. Reason : i'm sure everyone at oracle reads TWW]

5/11/2009 7:15:48 AM

this looks like a job for return false!

5/11/2009 8:18:18 AM

oh noes! oracle's __________ is bloated!

5/11/2009 9:59:05 AM

Dear customer,

Please update to PeopleTools 8.49 and we *promise* it'll be fixed.

Sincerely,
Oracle Support

5/11/2009 11:00:30 PM

*promise* being the operative word

5/12/2009 1:36:25 AM

I just sort of scrolled to the middle of it and started looking around, but...

Quote :

"function HijriToJulian(year,month,day) { var julian; var cycles = 0; var cycledays = 0; var yeardays = 0; var monthdays = 0; var useummalqura = false; var dayspercycle = 10631.0; //19 years of 354 days plus 11 years of 355 days var yearspercycle = 30; "

...and everything else involved in formatting the date...

WHY HAVE THIS?
Why would you need this unit conversion in something as simple as the GODDAMN DATE FORMAT?
What the fuck is the point of the 30-year cycles?
They'll probably change the site at least once in the next 30 years, anyway, so you're never even going to end up turning to a new cycle!
Even then, you don't need all that shit!
Time/Date measurement and formatting is NOT THIS FUCKING COMPLICATED.

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 3:41 AM. Reason : .]

5/12/2009 3:37:54 AM

uh.....


that function is to convert the arabic calendar to julian.


It very well could be needed, especially to convert an old date to our format.


Do you even have a slight clue as to what you're talking about?

5/12/2009 8:45:42 AM

so

a single space

wasn't good enough?


you


had


to


double


space?

5/12/2009 8:55:45 AM

I've always double spaced. It makes it easier to read.


So what's your fuckin point?


ps: can't troll a troll.

5/12/2009 10:24:07 AM

not trolling



asking a serious question.



just curious.



sheesh.

Quote :

"I've always double spaced. It makes it easier to read."

no you dont. message_topic.aspx?topic=559587
i'm guessing it's just when you're talking shit, but i haven't payed enough attention to say for sure.

5/12/2009 12:16:06 PM

Quote :

"It very well could be needed, especially to convert an old date to our format."

Shouldn't be necessary in a header... The only reason I can see for needing any time/date function at all in a header would be to simply say what time/day it is currently.

Yeah, it might be useful if you actually were converting older or obscure time formats into standard formatting, that much is obvious, but I cannot see any plausible situation in which this would be used in a page header.

5/12/2009 12:58:17 PM

^^ message_section.aspx?section=9

^ Yeah, it shouldn't be in the header, but I think what kiljadn was getting at was that you totally misunderstood the purpose of the function.

5/12/2009 1:04:38 PM

It was a joke dude...Didn't you see the part where they were like "Just Kidding"?

Quote :

"var ctrlKey_win0 = "JK";"

5/12/2009 1:04:47 PM

Quote :

"^ Yeah, it shouldn't be in the header, but I think what kiljadn was getting at was that you totally misunderstood the purpose of the function."

Yes. The fact that it shouldn't have gone in the header goes without question.


It's not like it's some obscure, unserved function. There are BILLIONS of people worldwide who use the Hijiri calendar.

I wasn't trolling, just calling attention to the fact that tromboner seems specifically obtuse to the fact that there are other cultures in the world.


and for the record I generally double space, but I don't know why you linked to djeternal's chacha thread.

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 5:19 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2009 5:09:48 PM

Speaking of antiquated datetime formats... WTF is up with people still using "AM" and "PM" clocks, and writing dates anything other than YYYY-MM-DD (ISO 8601)??

And WTF is up with Time Zones? If governments find it necessary to change around DST, we should just think in terms of UTC.

5/12/2009 5:27:49 PM

so, in summary:


pwnt.

5/12/2009 5:41:44 PM

Quote :

"and for the record I generally double space, but I don't know why you linked to djeternal's chacha thread."

come on man it was pretty clear

you said:

Quote :

"I've always double spaced. It makes it easier to read"

but obviously that's not true. exhibit a: message_topic.aspx?topic=559587

Quote :

"so, in summary: pwnt."

whenever you feel the need to declare your own pwnts, you've lost. that's like the oldest internet rule in existence.

5/13/2009 1:22:07 AM

What in the fuck christ are you talking about?


I've never even fucking posted in that thread, nor does it discuss double spacing for readability.


Are you fucking retarded?


My "So in summary" post was regarding philihp's tongue-in-cheek sarcasm, questioning why anyone uses anything but EST and the gregorian calendar.


I was in effect, validating what he said.


You can't be this bloody dense.

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 1:39 AM. Reason : .]

5/13/2009 1:37:05 AM

Christ, you people are about as literal as it gets. How do you have conversations in the real world without the other person strangling you?

Of course I realize that different time measurements exist in the world, who the fuck doesn't?
It's why I talked about the date formatting being simple and not date conversion (though I do believe I mentioned unit conversion being unnecessary in a basic format/date display... which it is).

Obviously you would need a time/date conversion method in anything that would actually deal with the issue (international sites with selectable date format styles, for example). But in a page header, which is the premise of the fucking thread, no we do not.

5/13/2009 1:57:51 AM

this is probably the worst thread we've ever had in tech talk.

5/13/2009 2:00:46 AM

Quote :

"Christ, you people are about as literal as it gets. How do you have conversations in the real world without the other person strangling you? "

Get used to it if you are going to any nerd-dominated environment. Easily one of the most common and most annoying nerd characteristics. The key is to use the lack of ability to read between the lines to fuck with them.

5/13/2009 2:15:39 AM

^^i never expected it to turn out like this.

it's like i forgot i was on TWW for a second.

*sigh*

5/13/2009 7:25:54 AM

Quote :

"...and everything else involved in formatting the date... WHY HAVE THIS? Why would you need this unit conversion in something as simple as the GODDAMN DATE FORMAT? What the fuck is the point of the 30-year cycles? They'll probably change the site at least once in the next 30 years, anyway, so you're never even going to end up turning to a new cycle! Even then, you don't need all that shit! Time/Date measurement and formatting is NOT THIS FUCKING COMPLICATED."

This original post. clearly shows that you have a fundamental lack of understanding of what the function exists for.

You need the unit conversion because the arabic calendar is 11 days shorter than the gregorian.

The arabic calendar operates in 30 year cycles.

You have exemplified that you are too fucking dense to understand that.

Why would you need unit conversion? BECAUSE THE UNITS AREN'T THE SAME, YOU FUCKING NIMROD.

Furthermore, you carry on with this:

Quote :

"Of course I realize that different time measurements exist in the world, who the fuck doesn't? It's why I talked about the date formatting being simple and not date conversion (though I do believe I mentioned unit conversion being unnecessary in a basic format/date display... which it is). Obviously you would need a time/date conversion method in anything that would actually deal with the issue (international sites with selectable date format styles, for example). But in a page header, which is the premise of the fucking thread, no we do not."

attempting to change the flavor of your kool-aid after you've served it up.

Every single person on the fucking planet worth their salt knows it doesn't go in the header. That is a non-issue.

What the issue is, and what you seem to be too fucking stupid to understand, is that you cannot discount the legitimacy of the function in one instance, get called out, and then try and backtrack and play it off like you knew why it existed in the first place.

You are full of fail here.

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 9:55 AM. Reason : .]

5/13/2009 9:51:36 AM

i wonder how this thread got off track

5/13/2009 10:08:01 AM

For the record, I don't think this was even a thread worthy topic to begin with.



The number of huge companies who put poorly formed shit in their page headers for web applications greatly outweighs the number of them that post on TWW or give a fuck what we think about it.

5/13/2009 10:15:31 AM

^^^There's something I like to call a "premise".

The "premise" is the statement upon which all following statements are based.

(Also, there's something I like called "condescension", and I'm using it on you)

I figured that it would be obvious enough that since the original post was about a bloated page header (bloated oracle web applications in general), and that since the particular code was an excerpt from the page header, that anyone reading it would have the sense to understand that such a premise exists. It did not seem necessary to add "to a page header" at the end of all of my sentences, because I figured it would be very obviously implied. Clearly not, however.

Next time I am in tech talk, I will remember to add explicit qualifications to every fucking thing I say to satisfy your gross level of anal retention.

5/13/2009 12:08:06 PM

Since we're driving this into the ground...

Quote :

"What the fuck is the point of the 30-year cycles? They'll probably change the site at least once in the next 30 years, anyway, so you're never even going to end up turning to a new cycle! Even then, you don't need all that shit! Time/Date measurement and formatting is NOT THIS FUCKING COMPLICATED."

If you were 'to add "to a page header"' to the end of each of those statements, it would still cause one to believe that you didn't understand the point of the function.

It isn't a big deal, people misunderstand bad JS all the time, I'm not calling you out for that. But to misunderstand it so badly, then pretend that you didn't at all is kind of dumb.

5/13/2009 12:19:29 PM

^^SO TUFF CONDESCENDING


GTFO kid, you fucking lost. Horribly.

5/13/2009 12:27:35 PM

^^

Quote :

"They'll probably change the site at least once in the next 30 years, anyway, so you're never even going to end up turning to a new cycle!"

I will admit that I phrased this one in about the most retarded way possible. I know that other systems use long cycles but for some reason... well, yeah, I really don't even know the reason why I said that one. It was fucking stupid.

Quote :

"GTFO kid, you fucking lost."

yes, the point of the internet and life in general... winning arbitrary e-fights against someone who really doesn't give any remote sort of shit.

Let's bring out this man's gold medal.

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 12:29 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2009 12:27:50 PM

YOU GOD DAMNED RIGHT

5/13/2009 12:39:21 PM

Quote :

"what the fuck blah blah blah fucking retard blah blah your mom is a whore blah blah blah you must be an imbecile blah blah blah you dense mother fucker. i win mega pwn so sour in yo face biaaaaatch"

5/13/2009 12:46:06 PM

PRECISELY

5/13/2009 12:52:25 PM

This is why I prefer hardware over software, physics is pure and absolute, software = way too many different interpretation of the same thing.

5/13/2009 1:12:15 PM

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free post in tech talk

5/13/2009 1:55:31 PM

pad

5/13/2009 2:01:53 PM