http://moviefill.com/Michael-Bay-Quitting-Action-Movies-17109/

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"Fresh off the news that he’s won a spot in the Guiness Book of World Records for directing “the biggest explosion on film with actors present,” reports say Michael Bay has filmed his last Transformers movie and has had enough of big-budget blockbusters. Bay says he’s sick of receiving negative reviews from critics who dislike his movie-making style and is determined to move away from the genre. He says, “It’s easy to go shoot an art movie in a winery in the South of France. But people have no idea how hard it is to create something like Transformers. They review me before they’ve even seen the movie.” And Bay admits that if film bosses give the go ahead for a third Transformers movie, they will have to find a different director. He adds, “After the three and a half years I’ve spent making these movies, I feel like I’ve had enough of the Transformers world. I need to do something totally divergent, something without any explosions.”"

6/19/2009 2:50:57 PM

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"that old State sketch where an aging pornstar becomes a gas station attendant, and keeps pulling the nozzle out and spraying the gas all over the hood."

where can I see this, sounds hilarious

6/19/2009 2:54:45 PM

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"It’s easy to go shoot an art movie in a winery in the South of France. But people have no idea how hard it is to create something like Transformers. They review me before they’ve even seen the movie."

As lulzy as this statement is, I sort of have to agree.

6/19/2009 2:56:50 PM

great, so now he's going to make shitty "art" movies instead of shitty action movies.

6/19/2009 2:57:41 PM

This thread stinks of the art house.

6/19/2009 3:01:34 PM

I never understood the Michael Bay hate. I mean sure most of his movies are explosions and catchphrases and more explosions, but that shit is fun. The only people who truely hate stuff like transformers are giagantic faggot tools who think that the only possible reason for making a film is for some bullshit social alligory.

6/19/2009 3:21:26 PM

Shaggy is so full of shit it's comical.

He is a bigger "giagantic faggot tool" than the people he is describing.

"YOU VALUE STORY AND WRITING??? FUCK YOU, FAGGOT! 'SPLOSIONS ARR FUN DURR HURR"

6/19/2009 3:23:24 PM

^agreed, motherfucker couldn't even spell "allegory"

6/19/2009 3:26:51 PM

Thank goodness.

The biggest problem with the first one was that the robots were needlessly complicated. This led them to looking too much alike. It's hard to develop the "characters" when you can't even tell one from another. Now you've got no story. Toss a few "Transformers" in a fight where they're either specks in the distance or the camera is in so tight all you see is a blur of two garbage piles fighting each other, and you've just taken out the action as well.

The cartoon did a few things right:
1) Robots not overly complicated
2) You could at least see hints of the vehicles in the robot form - "Oh look. It's the robot that is the police car."
3) Each robot had a personality - or at the very least you could tell them apart easily because they were different colors/shapes.
4) It was fairly easy to tell what side each robot was on. I was confused for a while in the first movie because one of the bad guys was a cop car.
5) Kinda goes back to #3. In battles you could tell who was who. Everyone had their own look.

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"They review me before they’ve even seen the movie."

This is largely due to your track record. Sorry, that's the way it works. Transformers 3? Nope, the series needs a reboot in about 5 - 10 years.


[Edited on June 19, 2009 at 3:32 PM. Reason : -]

6/19/2009 3:28:16 PM

The problem is that most people who claim to value story and writing 90% of the time create tired boring ass shit that they think is some deep godsend to film. Michael Bay makes action movies for people to go turn off their brains and enjoy. And he does it really well.

When critics give him shit for making an action movie without a deep plot or super realistic characters they come off as retards who look like they dont understand what genre they're reviewing.

The argument Bay is making is that to create a good action movie requires alot of work and critics shouldn't dismiss the movie because of the genre.

6/19/2009 3:31:51 PM

the man directed the rock

he's ok in my book

6/19/2009 3:35:01 PM

You can't sit there and excuse the film just because it is an action movie. I've seen plenty of action movies that didn't suck. The action in Transformers sucked. A bunch of non-distinguishable blobs of garbage fighting - never fully able to tell who is fighting who.

Oh, look. That guy just got owned... I think.
Which one?
Don't know.
Who's winning?
Don't know.

Kinda hard to get vested in an action movie when you can't decipher the action.

Not speaking to his other movies. I don't even keep up with the guy, so I don't know what other stuff he's done. I'm just commenting on how much Transformers sucked. I can only imagine the new one sucks with a press release like this - coming from the director no less.

[Edited on June 19, 2009 at 3:37 PM. Reason : -]

6/19/2009 3:35:17 PM

If he goes off and makes a movie in a different genre and it sucks, then sure you can bomb him for that. But his past record of action movies have been enjoyable.

The only thing worse than an art fag who cant appreciate an action movie is a neckbeared retard complaining that transformers isn't true to the original action figures.

6/19/2009 3:35:33 PM

action movies can still have a good plot and meaningful characters

he tried to have more of a story in the island and that movie just blew

6/19/2009 3:39:56 PM

I went to Transformers to see some badass robots kick each other's asses.

I got 15-20 minutes of blurry action and whole ton of Shia arguing with John Turturro.

DO NOT WANT.

6/19/2009 3:40:19 PM

GOOD ACTION MOVIES: STAR TREK, TERMINATOR 2, ALIENS, DIE HARD, ETC.

BAD ACTION MOVIES: TRANSFORMERS, T4, DRAGONBALL EVOLUTION, 8FAST 8FURIOUS, ETC.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE

6/19/2009 3:55:43 PM

transformers was good. sorry you dont like fun.

6/19/2009 3:58:16 PM

sorry you do lack brain

6/19/2009 3:59:36 PM

UGH MICHAEL BAY HAS RUUUIINED TRANSFORMERS!!! OPTIMUS PRIME HAS A MOUTH??!?!?! WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS NOT CANON ITS TERRIBLE!!!!!

6/19/2009 4:01:01 PM

I think there's an amateur action movie out there on youtube that features two pieces of feces circling the bowl during a flush. They ricochet off each other from time to time, the camera zooms in and shakes a bit. One piece eventually makes it down the drain before the other. You can't tell which wins, but it doesn't matter. Toss in a cherry bomb and Shaggy is ready to vote in the MTV movie awards.

6/19/2009 4:01:39 PM

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"But his past record of action movies have been enjoyable."

you mean like Pearl Harbor or Armageddon?

6/19/2009 4:01:53 PM

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"UGH MICHAEL BAY HAS RUUUIINED TRANSFORMERS!!! OPTIMUS PRIME HAS A MOUTH??!?!?! WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS NOT CANON ITS TERRIBLE!!!!!"

I could not care less about transformers canon. nice try.

6/19/2009 4:05:16 PM

terrible actors and scripts cant be saved by the director

6/19/2009 4:06:10 PM

Yeah, canon means nothing to me...but I went to the giant robot movie to see giant robots and I mostly saw Louis Stevens.

As far as fun goes, I love The Mummy Returns. It's big, stupid, funny, and completely over the top. There's an important difference between it and Transformers, though...the action isn't a pile of blurred parts and there aren't any strung-out, overblown plot points that no one cares about.

6/19/2009 4:08:34 PM

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"terrible actors and scripts cant be saved by the director"

so michael bay said: "oh shit! those scripts are terrible! let me sign on to these terrible scripts! but the scripts are already terrible! let's film this terrible shit!"


he could, you know, not do this if he's so great.

6/19/2009 4:15:58 PM

true hardcore transformer fans are glad to have a movie period.

6/19/2009 4:51:30 PM

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"The biggest problem with the first one was that the robots were needlessly complicated. This led them to looking too much alike. It's hard to develop the "characters" when you can't even tell one from another."

What? I know 3 year olds that have no problem with this amazing piece of detective work.

6/19/2009 4:52:43 PM

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"true hardcore transformer fans are glad to have a movie period."

Then I guess I'm lucky that that doesn't describe me.

6/19/2009 4:54:52 PM

I loved the first one and can't wait for the second. I will be disappointed in a third without Bay

6/19/2009 4:57:30 PM

Wait, how was t4 a bad action movie? It wasnt the greatest, but i wouldnt classify it as such.

6/19/2009 8:41:17 PM

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"Toss in a cherry bomb and Shaggy is ready to vote in the MTV movie awards."

Hey now, lets not be butthurt cause you are a Twilight fan, and are ashamed of being one.

[Edited on June 19, 2009 at 8:43 PM. Reason : ^no man, it was pretty fucking bad.]

6/19/2009 8:43:09 PM

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"true hardcore transformer fans are glad to have a movie period."

Transformers: The Movie came out in 1986. Intentionally or not, it's far more enjoyable than Michael Bay's Transformers. Plus, it has Orson Welles and Eric Idle!

6/19/2009 8:56:49 PM

Even from a mindless action movie standpoint, Transformers was pretty goddamned boring. The only actually good action scene in it was the giant scorpion fight in the desert. The rest of the movie, as has been said, was just giant piles of metal running into each other with close-up camera zooms. Or a bunch of talking between completely unlikable characters, and nobody wants that.

6/19/2009 9:05:53 PM

He'll be back

6/19/2009 9:07:22 PM

bourne-esque fight scene camera work does not work with closeups on robots.

6/19/2009 9:56:54 PM

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" I was confused for a while in the first movie because one of the bad guys was a cop car."

why did you italicize "car" here?

6/19/2009 10:53:46 PM

I didn't really read this thread, but I did see

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"bullshit social alligory"

6/19/2009 11:27:21 PM

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"I never understood the Michael Bay hate. I mean sure most of his movies are explosions and catchphrases and more explosions, but that shit is fun."

signed.

Bad Boys (2), The Rock, Transformers ... fun fucking movies.

Other than The Rock, they're not particularly good flicks, but they are god damn fun. I got a little bored with Transformers in the middle, but every time one of the robots was running and it transformed ... BAD ASS!

Giant fucking robots blowing shit up, gratuitous skin from Megan Fox ... testosterone gold!

So yeah, that's my two cents.

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6/20/2009 1:09:08 AM

I've watch ConAir no less than 20 times. mostly in high school.
Ditto on the Rock and Independence Day.

Michael Bay will always be alright by me.

6/20/2009 2:10:48 AM

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"Transformers: The Movie came out in 1986. Intentionally or not, it's far more enjoyable than Michael Bay's Transformers. Plus, it has Orson Welles and Eric Idle! "

I also really enjoyed the animated transformers movie. Of course, I haven't seen it in probably 10 years but still.

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"Bad Boys (2), The Rock, Transformers ... fun fucking movies."

see the problem is you're forgetting the awful ones like Pearl Harbor, The Island and Armageddon

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"I've watch ConAir no less than 20 times. mostly in high school. Ditto on the Rock and Independence Day. Michael Bay will always be alright by me."

dude what the fuck are you smoking? As far as I can tell (and according to IMDB) Michael Bay neither directed nor produced Independence Day or Con Air.

6/20/2009 2:38:53 AM

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"What I would like is for this to be an anger-fuelled review. You know the type. Where they took some property I loved, or even liked, and distorted it beyond belief, creating something that offended every one of my sensibilities. Those reviews can be a lot of fun to read, as well as a lot of fun to write. Unfortunately, I wasn't angry. I was just bored. Yes, bored. Big explosions and CGI creatures are not interesting just because they're BIG. It takes about five minutes to get desensitised to all the Big Stuff Happening, and so for the remaining seven hours you're just numb. CGI should work for your story, not the other way around. And I'm not saying that from the point of view of an analytical critic; I'm guessing a lot of the audience is going to feel the same way, even if many of them can't articulate why. When mega-huge Transformers are climbing up the side of a pyramid, you don't for a second believe that's what you're watching. You're watching an exercise in large-scale CGI, and that lack of engagement is what makes it dull. No attempt is made to engage us with the story, so you end up just ticking off each scene as it runs through the predictable motions. I'd have been more impressed had the CGI been better. The Transformers, I'm sorry to say, have not improved since the first film. They're too busy, there's too damn much going on. If you're going to do anything with the core idea of a Transformer, then I should be amazed at how all the parts folds into one another, how a robot can become a truck. Instead, we're blinded by an infinite number of moving parts that mean nothing. As if someone waved streamers in your face and then showed you a semi-trailer."

6/20/2009 5:11:56 AM

you douchebag fucks. Transformers was awesome for what it was supposed to be. Going in expecting an Oscar winner is your own fault.

The first time a transformer transformed and it made the old transform noise, i was like OH DAMN!!!

6/20/2009 9:42:45 AM

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"The cartoon did a few things right: 1) Robots not overly complicated 2) You could at least see hints of the vehicles in the robot form - "Oh look. It's the robot that is the police car." 3) Each robot had a personality - or at the very least you could tell them apart easily because they were different colors/shapes. 4) It was fairly easy to tell what side each robot was on. I was confused for a while in the first movie because one of the bad guys was a cop car. 5) Kinda goes back to #3. In battles you could tell who was who. Everyone had their own look."

It was a cartoon with robots / vehicles fighting and I was 10. No need to break it down into 5 categories of why it was enjoyable.

And I don't feel any sympathy when people that have millions of dollars complain about taking some criticism, it is part of the deal.

6/20/2009 11:53:18 AM

The things about adapting a toy to a movie, is the only real expectation should be the look. Everything else -- stories, voices, etc. -- are really just a product of our own imagination.

Now I understand when people want to see the movies follow closer to the cartoon interpretation. But was an adaptation of the cartoon what Bay was going for with these flicks?

Hell, if I was to make a flick from the toys I played with as a kid, I'd probably have Batman fucking April O'Neil and Snake Eyes conquering the world.

6/20/2009 1:04:59 PM

The action in transformers sucked because you couldn't tell what was going on. That's why it failed to be a good dumb action movie.

6/20/2009 2:03:08 PM

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" Hell, if I was to make a flick from the toys I played with as a kid, I'd probably have Batman fucking April O'Neil and Snake Eyes conquering the world."

Green light it!

6/20/2009 4:54:50 PM

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"Going in expecting an Oscar winner is your own fault."

DURR HURR HAI MR. FALLACY.

competent story is a little easier than oscar material, and Transformers accomplished neither.

6/20/2009 6:38:18 PM

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"Toss a few "Transformers" in a fight where they're either specks in the distance or the camera is in so tight all you see is a blur of two garbage piles fighting each other"

Try watching the movie on dvd, instead of the scene cam you downloaded from tpb two years ago.

[Edited on June 20, 2009 at 8:15 PM. Reason : blind guy]

6/20/2009 8:13:49 PM

i think its funny how worked up some people get over these movies


its a movie about giant robots based off a cartoon that was based off a toy that was based off a comic book


and you attack Michael Bay for plot? really?

and im speaking to people in general that are flipping out about this stuff

i love transformers and its damn cool to see this "version" of the series

troll on, fags

[Edited on June 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM. Reason : ,]

6/20/2009 9:02:05 PM

say what you will about mel gibson, at least the man knows story structure

6/20/2009 9:07:14 PM