Just was interested to see what everyone else has out there.

50 inch 1080p 600hz Samsung Plasma

PS3

Yamaha HTR 5490 Receiver
Klipsch RF-15 - Fronts
Paradigm CC-170 Center
Paradigm Titan - Rears
Yamaha YST-SW315 Sub

I guess the point of this thread is, that I would love to trade off the paradigms and match my whole set (Klipsch Referenece Series) Just curious if anyone out there had any reference series speakers that wanted to part with or trade.

I also have an extra Yamaha Receiver HTR-5550 and an extra Sub Klipsch RS 8 II

6/19/2009 4:36:58 PM

Do to a proprietary deal that I negotiated with the Almighty himself, I get flawless audio/video content beamed directly into my brain on demand.

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6/19/2009 5:29:38 PM

yeah you don't have shit timbre matched at all and typically yamaha + Klipsch is a bad idea... yamaha amps have strong treble signals and combined with klipsch horns most people call the result "harsh"

I have all paradigm studio (100s 40s and cc690) series with a jl fathom 12 and i love it..

i have a ps3 and an xbox with a samsung 40" 1080p tv
rx-v2600

6/19/2009 5:42:16 PM

I have a 56" 720p Toshiba DLP.
A Onkyo TXSR607 with
Polk Audio CS2, Monitor 60 fronts, Monitor 50's as surrounds, and a random sub I bought from TWW years ago.
PS3
XBox360+HD-DVD Addon
Wii

I'd like to sell the Monitor 60's+50's and get 70's+surrounds, if anyone is interested. Nothing wrong with them, I just don't have room for floor standing speakers as rears at my next house.

What do you people use for your equipment racks?

I'm going to build a HTPC at the end of the summer and I'm looking to get this while its on sale.
http://www.studiotech.com/products/component_racks/performance_series_ps-4/index.html

[Edited on June 19, 2009 at 6:12 PM. Reason : ]

6/19/2009 6:02:00 PM

70" + = home theater.


Nice setup though!

6/19/2009 6:05:37 PM

50" samsung 1080p plasma
ps3,wii, dreamcast, toshiba hda30 hd-dvd player
denon avr987 receiver
Athena technologies asf2.2 fronts,asc2.1 center, ws100 floor standing rears
infinity 10" sub w/ bass shakers in both couches(best addition to date)
monster power hts1600
harmony one remote

j chill i would not recommend a htpc. you can already do everything a htpc can with the exception of dvr.been down that road, the software for playing bluray/hd dvd is buggy, you can't get uncompressed sound w/o buying a 150$sound card that's even more buggy. i ended up buying a ps3 and hd dvd player, and using twc's dvr. i did move my htpc to the bedroom so i watch an hd movie in the bedroom but it gets minimal use

[Edited on June 19, 2009 at 6:47 PM. Reason : htpc]

6/19/2009 6:38:04 PM

I jam a coat hanger in to an oscilloscope and interpret the picture from the time domain signal.

6/19/2009 6:57:02 PM

^^That's a good point. However.

I don't plan on breaking the bank with it. I wasn't planning on getting a blu-ray /hd-dvd drive, either. This all started when I learned that we weren't going to have cable. I already bought a TV Tuner Card, though. I just wanted a centralized, organized place to keep all of the media for the network. I hope to have it act as more of a server than anything else.

It's going to be a frankenstein build, I think. I might go with the $299 dell, but I doubt it.

6/19/2009 7:52:01 PM

Quote :

"50 inch 1080p 600hz Samsung Plasma "

Hahaha you got duped. 480 Hz and 600 Hz "subfield drive" is just marketing bullshit. Some plasmas use 8 fields per frame (480Hz), some use 10 per frame (600Hz) and some use 14 per frame (840Hz), but all of them have a 60Hz frame rate. A field is one interval in which a pixel can be turned on or off (in plasmas there's no partial intensity, either full on or completely off). Pixels are turned on part of the time and off part of the time to influence how bright you perceive a part of the picture to be (unlike an LCD where the pixels actually vary in brightness). This is part of the reason plasmas consume more power than LCDs.

120Hz and 240Hz LCDs actually display 120 or 240 full frames per second. In order to display pictures at a frame rate this high, plasmas would need 960-1200 Hz or 1920-2400 Hz "subfield drive" which isn't going to happen any time soon.

Of course, LCDs have their own weaknesses but don't think a "600 Hz" plasma means anything special.

6/19/2009 8:43:28 PM

No one has a better HT sub than me. and its for sale!

Is a 7.5ft^3 downfiring ported enclosure witha 15" Tempest tuned to 15.6hz. Recessed in the back of the oak cabinet is a 250wrms plate amplifer. hi and low level inputs, phase, level, cross over knobs.

Its about 2x2x3.5ft. Like a tall end table or something. I built it using Adire Audio's reference design.

It'll play so low that you don't hear a thing except your house vibrating. no woofer huffing at all, its effortless.

Only prob is its in DC right now and we're moving to Boston on Tuesday.

6/19/2009 8:49:30 PM

^ i agree 600hz eman nothing but you talk about it like displayin the picture at 120fps or 240 is a good thing.while it hides the the motion blur associated w/ lcds. plasma still has higher motion resolution,less blur and most of the newer plasmas will support a 72hz frame rate which reduces 24p judder the same as 120hz.

[Edited on June 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM. Reason : not tryin to turn the thread into lcd vs plasma]

6/19/2009 9:06:32 PM

how much

6/19/2009 9:06:40 PM

^^ displaying 120Hz and 240Hz source material (computer games) is most certainly a good thing and this is something not even the most expensive modern plasmas can.



The subfields in a plasma display aren't the original frames either. They're contrived in such a way that the final picture you perceive resembles the source frame, since the plasma is not really capable of displaying it directly.

The only thing that matters is what the end user perceives. It's not so much important how that perception was created. I agree that the motion estimation / image interpolation on LCDs can lead to an unnatural-looking picture. I have a 120 Hz LCD and I leave it on it's minimum setting (not completely off). It eliminates all motion blur as far as I can perceive without creating a noticeable unnatural effect.

I was only pointing out that a "600 Hz plasma" is marketing buzzword bullshit.



Motion resolution is not something that can truly be objectively measured since everyone perceives it differently.

[Edited on June 19, 2009 at 9:30 PM. Reason : -]

6/19/2009 9:22:52 PM

my gf's Dads Vizio's 120hz smooth motion makes me want to stab my eyes out. its super freaky. i don't know how others are, but if theyre like that, i'd keep them OFF. It looks like real ppl in the TV acting. ruins everything. its really incredible, but ruins everything.

as for the sub. i dunno, a reasonable offer can take it. I'm moving to Boston and can't take it so its just sitting in my gf's parent's house until i come get it some day.

[Edited on June 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM. Reason : dfdf]

6/19/2009 9:37:31 PM

Quote :

"Of course, LCDs have their own weaknesses "

regardless of the refresh rate the LCD picture is bad enough that its easy to tell the two apart. it is a DISPLAY i think the number one priority should be picture quality not quantity.

6/20/2009 8:36:08 AM

Quote :

"yeah you don't have shit timbre matched at all and typically yamaha + Klipsch is a bad idea... yamaha amps have strong treble signals and combined with klipsch horns most people call the result "harsh""

I'm just wondering how often you listen to a wide array of drivers, on a wide array of sources, in a wide array of rooms that you can actually pick out when a pair isn't matched, versus say, the marketing that tells you they should be.

It isn't like what is coming out of the front for a given scene in a movie is going to be matched to what is coming out of the rear in the same scene.

I mean, any of us can read Home Theater Review and just echo chamber what they tell us, but I'm skeptical that anyone here could really pick out these things in a double blind setup like the magazines can.

6/20/2009 9:40:32 AM

with fronts it actually is noticeable. rears not so much bc like u said it's rare that you have the same sound playing. there is lots of content that will play sound moving L->C->R or vice versa and having different timbre can be heard in the transition.

6/20/2009 2:26:57 PM

I saw a home audio forum where people were paying $$$ for hand-woven Litz stereo miniplug cables, seriously discussing the frequency response of the cables as they compared to other $$$ commercial Litz stereo miniplug cables

...

based on subjective listening tests consisting of mp3s played from their iPod.

it kind of reminds me of this discussion.

6/20/2009 5:00:10 PM

no. ^that is blatant bullshit.

But if you can't hear the difference between two different brands/kinds/lines of speakers then your deaf.

Maybe i should leave my center, but replace my L/Rs with computer speakers since it doesnt matter...

A tank rolling across the front stage would go from tinny little shit, to nice full sound at center, to tinny shit. That matters.

6/20/2009 5:06:27 PM

I'm not saying the timbre of a speaker is complete bullshit, just mostly bullshit. Frequency response and harmonic distortion get lumped in with timbre, which is unfortunate as timbre also describes a number of concepts that are unquantifiable and generally accepted to be nonsense.

Harmonic distortion is usually relative to power level and can be avoided for the most part by going with speakers somewhat overpowered for the application. Frequency response can be corrected with an equalizer. Equalizers are usually cheaper than good satellite speakers.

In spite of this, audiophiles tend to discuss frequency response in terms of timbre ("bright", "harsh", "tinny", "full", etc) and as an inalienable attribute of a speaker that can only be altered by burning money at the altar of some speaker manufacturer or another. Sometimes I really wish I was in the business of selling audio kit, I have never in my life observed a group of affluent individuals more willing to suck up snake oil than audiophiles. I can braid a pretty tight litz, anyone need an overpriced iPod cable?

ps. I like your sub, it's the same sub I have. Did you know Adire went out of business recently? Really quite tragic.

[Edited on June 21, 2009 at 2:44 AM. Reason : .]

6/21/2009 2:42:14 AM

Quote :

"Frequency response can be corrected with an equalizer"

so you're sayin with an eq you can make my speakers w/ a 3.5" woofer play down to 20hz without distortion?

i agree things get to a point where u can't hear a difference and buying cable that's $100/ft is rediculous. but like danny said

Quote :

" if you can't hear the difference between two different brands/kinds/lines of speakers then your deaf. "

6/21/2009 5:01:13 AM

You may have a bit of trouble equalizing a 3.5" woofer for response flat to 20Hz as you'd probably be looking at an unmodified response of less than -50dB (relative to response at 1KHz, as these things typically are) or so at that frequency, but it's not impossible, just mostly useless.

There are a number of smaller home audio subs with 6.5" or 8" woofers that have -3dB extension in the neighborhood of 20Hz and rely on equalization to extend their response. In fact a quick Google indicates that such trickery is even making its way into entry level subwoofers from bigger names these days.

That's not really what I was getting at, though. With mismatched satellite speakers, equalization is a better option than shopping around for a "well-matched" center or front speaker in many cases... and hasn't been mentioned once, in this thread, until the last few posts

[Edited on June 21, 2009 at 6:44 AM. Reason : .]

6/21/2009 6:37:47 AM

what is a good cheap equalizer to use.

6/21/2009 10:43:59 AM

I believe that an EQ can do a lot more harm than good. Get a decent amp/reciever and decent speaks and you won't need one. A lot of modern receivers can do auto phase/timing correction so that help, too.

6/21/2009 11:09:51 AM

i'm working with a full range horn speaker i built. the room does some damage to the output.





there is a wedge in the first turn down so it is a constant expansion. in the photo it doesnt look like it.

[Edited on June 21, 2009 at 11:40 AM. Reason : .]

6/21/2009 11:39:26 AM

32" Olevia LCD TV (The 332 model I think)
Yamaha HTR 5990 Receiver
Fluance SXHTB+ Speakers (Includes 2 towers, a center, 2 rears)

I'm actually surprised at how decent the fluance speakers actually are. The towers can be (and currently are) bi-amped, and it makes a really meaningful difference in the quality and power of the bass coming out of them. Blows any HTIB system I've heard out of the water, and I only spent around $500 putting it together (half for the receiver, half for the speakers).

The TV isn't that bad either. The picture quality on it is better than my dad's 42" plasma in many cases that I've seen.

6/21/2009 11:49:41 AM

Denon DVD-2900
Denon AVR-1603
Klipsch RF-3 II mains
Klipsch RC-3 II center
Klipsch RS-3 rears
Boston Acoustics VR500 sub
Samsung 40" LCD 1080p

You may not recognize those Klipsch model numbers. The Klipsch of ~8 years ago DESTROYS the Klipsch of today. Today's "Reference" line has become a diluted marketing scam. Still good speakers, but I'd personally look elsewhere for my next purchase in ~5 years.

[Edited on June 22, 2009 at 10:23 AM. Reason : ]

6/22/2009 10:21:01 AM

Home Theater:
40" Samsung 1080p LCD
Harman Kardon AVR-354 Receiver
Klipsch Quintet III speaker set
Klipsch Sub-12 subwoofer

Stereo Setup for Music:
HTPC
Onkyo M-501 Power Amplifier (150W x2)
Pair of JBL L5 towers

6/22/2009 11:00:51 AM

Home Theater:
Samsung 50" 1080p Plasma
Marantz Sr6400 6.1
All Klipsch Reference 25's from about ~6 years ago.
JBL 12" sub.

Music:
Peachtree Audio Decco
Linn Ninka's

6/23/2009 8:04:10 AM

^ love your music setup.

Mine:
- Carver m500T amplifier x 2 (one for each speaker)
- ADS 300 speakers

6/23/2009 10:08:50 AM

My setup... not the top of the line but very nice for my budget/situation

TV - Samsung 52" TOC LCD - http://tiny.cc/chYu5



Receiver Onkyo TX-SR606 - http://tiny.cc/oMRkx



Center - Yamaha NS-C444 - http://tiny.cc/zgVFM



Front L&R - 2 YAMAHA NS777 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882115030



Back L & R - 2 Yamaha NS-333 - http://tiny.cc/w2UYP



Subwoofer - YAMAHA SW315 10" 250W Powered Subwoofer - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836108120


Blu-ray Player - Samsung BD-P1500 - http://tiny.cc/fs8T7


and Xbox 360

[Edited on June 23, 2009 at 4:03 PM. Reason : stupid amazon no hotlinking pics]

[Edited on June 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM. Reason : .]

6/23/2009 4:02:27 PM

TV: Pioneer Elite 60in (last model before discontinued )
Receiver: Onkyo SR905
Blu-Ray: PS3
Speakers: Elemental Design
Rears: W6 - 6TC Bookshelf Pair ($650 a pair)
Sides and Front: A6 - 6T6 - Tower Pair ($500 a pair)
Center: A6 - 6T6 - MTM Single ($195)
Subs: 2 P7 - 650 Subwoofer ($2100 a pair)
Equalizer: eQ.2 ($100)

1300w RMS. these blow you subs away dannydigtl lol




[Edited on June 23, 2009 at 6:08 PM. Reason : .]

6/23/2009 6:06:28 PM

Ok, so I finally got rid of the paradigm rears and center, now I have landed some Klipsch Reference series to match my fronts. My fronts are RF-15, but the center and rears I am getting are the RC-3 and the RS-3, will this work out or will my center and rears overpower my fronts. Im not worry about the base, I have a sub. Thanks

6/25/2009 2:48:25 PM

^ yeah, that's a mismatch, but nothing a good receiver can't be adjust for.

6/25/2009 6:15:58 PM