Shouldn't this be illegal? -- Doesn't freedom of religion apply to minors?
I mean, parents are "in charge" of their children, but that doesn't mean they can force them do anything, right?

8/1/2009 3:56:46 PM

wat

8/1/2009 3:57:31 PM

seriously? they're fucking kids.

what is wrong with America these days

8/1/2009 3:58:10 PM

Hey the Soap Box called....

8/1/2009 3:58:19 PM

when i was a child if my mom said get ready for church i got ready for church because i didn't want my dad to smack me

but she did let me bring a book to read so i never complained much


[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 3:59 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2009 3:58:34 PM

8/1/2009 3:58:46 PM

If kids are old enough they could try to get emancipated but that's about it.

My parents forced me to put up with their religious bullshit until I was 22 because they threatened to not file the FAFSA (and sent it in late most of the time anyway because they wanted me to not be able to financially support myself so I'd have to find a man).

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM. Reason : ...]

8/1/2009 3:59:53 PM

um i believe parents have that right as long as the kids are living under their roof and the parents are paying for everything...

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"seriously? they're fucking kids. what is wrong with America these days"

8/1/2009 4:01:31 PM

i told my parents in high school to stop making me go to church because i didnt pay attention and got nothing out of it and they stopped making me go

8/1/2009 4:01:32 PM

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"seriously? they're fucking kids."

So? They're people first. If they don't want to participate in religion, why should they have to?
Also, "kid" = under 18

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"Hey the Soap Box called...."

Yeah... Let it go to voicemail.

8/1/2009 4:03:10 PM

Fine then. I just won't click on your threads. Ever.

8/1/2009 4:03:43 PM

^

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"My parents forced me to put up with their religious bullshit until I was 22 because they threatened to not file the FAFSA"

That is pretty fucked up.

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"and sent it in late most of the time anyway because they wanted me to not be able to financially support myself so I'd have to find a man"

That is even more fucked up.

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"um i believe parents have that right as long as the kids are living under their roof and the parents are paying for everything..."

Which right exactly? The right to legally "kidnap" their kids and take them anywhere?

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2009 4:04:18 PM

you're ridiculous

8/1/2009 4:05:44 PM

This whole mindset is why our society is in such a downward spiral or better yet the reason for the dumbing of America.

Its not just about religion but everything else as well.

8/1/2009 4:10:51 PM

my parents made me go to church till i finally realized i was an atheist. they still more or less force me to go to the christmas service, but at this point i don't care.

but i don't see how it could be illegal to force kids to go to church. it's legal to force kids to go to school, right?

8/1/2009 4:11:42 PM

my kids are going to have the fear of God in them. I was raised/went to episcopalian school and I think it did wonders for me even though I'm not religious now. gave me a good moral foundation, appreciation, etc.

8/1/2009 4:12:12 PM

Just when I thought Willy Nilly couldn't be more of a dumbass...

8/1/2009 4:12:59 PM

A child can apply for their... independence. I don't know the true word, but I think they can do it before 18.

8/1/2009 4:13:25 PM

^^
You ain't seen nothing yet

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"but i don't see how it could be illegal to force kids to go to church. it's legal to force kids to go to school, right?"

Okay, well, could a parent force their 16-year-old to drop out of school?

8/1/2009 4:13:43 PM

Hey Willy....

????

8/1/2009 4:14:06 PM

^
Just because something is debatable, doesn't mean it should go in the Soap Box.
Fuck the Soap Box. (thanks for posting my super-cool graphic, though)

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2009 4:15:54 PM

^^^Emancipation.

They must also be able to prove that they can support themselves, and IIRC, they must have good reason.

Regarding lewoods' claims: she has an axe to grind against her parents. And, going on her posting history, a "late" fasfa probably means at the end of february. Which isn't late at all, for NCSU. Late, only in the sense that it wasn't done the first possible day. Even though her parents don't have to file the FAFSA for her. Now, getting tax info from them so as to do one's own FAFSA can be a bitch on its own, but at least one has taken a step or two in taking control of the issue.

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 4:17 PM. Reason : ^You know damn good and well this thread belongs in TSB.]

8/1/2009 4:17:00 PM

I actually kinda like that. How'd you make it?

8/1/2009 4:17:00 PM

My childhood is pretty much the perfect example of how religion makes life hell for kids. Either that or my parents filed the fafsa late because they honestly just didn't give a shit, but I'm not sure which is more depressing. I did just tell my mom I was moving in with my boyfriend and if she didn't like it they could pay for my rent, no objections when money has to come out of their pocket to support their religious bullshit.

8/1/2009 4:18:43 PM

^^
Photoshop, of course.
I thought about just changing it in HTML and taking a screen shot, but I like a challenge.

8/1/2009 4:19:23 PM

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"^You know damn good and well this thread belongs in TSB."

8/1/2009 4:22:22 PM

^
Soap Box is too slow, too partisan, and too predictable.

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"This whole mindset is why our society is in such a downward spiral or better yet the reason for the dumbing of America. Its not just about religion but everything else as well."

Which mindset? That parents force their kids to go to church, or that they shouldn't be legally able to do that?

8/1/2009 4:25:27 PM

This mindset would make the fat kid epedmic even more crazy.

yes my sentence isn't perfectly coherent , I am brain dead at the moment.

8/1/2009 4:27:47 PM

I'll prove to you that Chit Chat is just as predictable...


you're an idiot

8/1/2009 4:28:11 PM

Ambrosia, late means they submitted it AFTER THE DEADLINE for financial aid. And they refused to give me their tax info, they'd only submit it themselves. I'd have been perfectly happy to have filled it out myself, but they'd only do it and only whenever they felt like it.

They also didn't help me pay for college and still filed with me as a dependent on their taxes so they'd get more back and I'd get less. I could go on and on, but I won't and I'll just say that I had a truly fucked up childhood that most people couldn't imagine thanks to religion.

8/1/2009 4:30:49 PM

^File independently and get them audited.

8/1/2009 4:32:23 PM

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"and still filed with me as a dependent on their taxes "

They can only do this up until you make $6k in a year. Once you make more than that, you have to file on your own.

I'm not entirely positive on the $6k number, but I know it's somewhere around there.

Though I'm guessing you didn't work that much while you were in school, so it doesn't really matter.

8/1/2009 4:33:22 PM

i think that would be less "thanks to religion" and more "thanks to overbearing obsessive parents"

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM. Reason : ^^i actually was thinking that same thing]

8/1/2009 4:33:31 PM

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"Ambrosia, late means they submitted it AFTER THE DEADLINE for financial aid"

That's only the deadline for priority consideration.

You can file for financial aid at any time.

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"They also didn't help me pay for college and still filed with me as a dependent on their taxes so they'd get more back and I'd get less"

You could have prevented this (assuming you got your W2s before they got theirs).

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"I could go on and on, but I won't and I'll just say that I had a truly fucked up childhood that most people couldn't imagine thanks to religion."

So did I.

You can't blame religion for everything. That'll never stop you from trying, though.

8/1/2009 4:36:26 PM

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"i think that would be less "thanks to religion" and more "thanks to overbearing obsessive parents""

8/1/2009 4:42:32 PM

Religion is an enabler for the batshit crazies like my mom that makes them 1000x worse. My childhood wouldn't have been perfect without religion, but it would have been a ton better than it was.

Also, I could have qualified for a ton more aid by getting it in before the priority deadline. I had to transfer out of a private school because I couldn't afford it after their first late FAFSA bullshit.

8/1/2009 4:42:43 PM

what gives you such a sense of entitlement?

8/1/2009 4:43:20 PM

8/1/2009 4:44:00 PM

My parents made me go to Church and I turned out just fine. Glad they did. and no my faith is not entirely up to them but I wouldn't have the faith I do without them. on that note time for church with mom and dad.

8/1/2009 4:44:15 PM

Oh noes.

You still got to go to school. STFU.

8/1/2009 4:44:34 PM

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"My childhood wouldn't have been perfect without religion, but it would have been a ton better than it was."

how do you know?

8/1/2009 4:44:58 PM

Thumper, I'm not sure if I made more than $6k a year. If I did I'm not above threatening them with an audit to get back what they owe me. Will have to go check, thanks for the idea.

8/1/2009 4:45:02 PM

^^^^ So your parents aren't the ONLY reason you believe in a fairy tale. Being a fucking retard plays some part.

Got it.

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 4:47 PM. Reason : *]

8/1/2009 4:47:06 PM

^wow. that's harsh.










[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 4:52 PM. Reason : wow]

8/1/2009 4:50:08 PM

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"how do you know?"

NEver would have set foot in Christian school.
Never would have had my mom abandon me and my brother every weekend to prepare for teaching children's church or sunday school
Never would have been dragged to church 3x a week and maybe could have done something more normal like sports instead
Never would have been home schooled with religious textbooks, which is damn near career suicide before you even start if you want to go into biology or a related field.
Wouldn't have had parents that gave their money away to everyone else before deciding they didn't have enough left to help pay for college.

Ambrosia, paying for school would have been easier if I was emancipated (no late fafsa and qualified for more aid), but my parents had my dog and wouldn't let me have her back so that wasn't an option (still wanted to be able to see her, loved her more than my parents and they knew it).

8/1/2009 4:52:23 PM

ok lets just think this out for a second. your parents used religion to bring you down...

so what i have here is a diagram of this situation.



think of religion as the gun. the things that stem from that ,like your fafsa problems, as the bullets and your mother the gopher.

currently you are blaming the gun for the bullets that hurt you. but should we not blame the gopher for learning how to misuse the gun?


[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 4:57 PM. Reason : blahblah]

8/1/2009 4:54:07 PM

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"Never would have had my mom abandon me and my brother every weekend to prepare for teaching children's church or sunday school "

...

8/1/2009 4:54:45 PM

^^^ I'm just saying it sounds like to me that your parents were freaking crazy and it wasn't religion that caused it.

should your parents had been atheist, i'm SURE there would have have been other outlets that would have screwed you up just the same.

and the only "issues" i see in those statements are really the last two

^^hahaha


i went to christian school for 8 years.

i, too, was "dragged" to church multiple times a week.

my mom was a work-a-holic, so i had nannies my whole life, one of which i called actually called mommy. she didnt like that. aha.




im not trying to make light of your situation, it sounds like you had a really screwed up childhood, but it seems odd to blame it solely on one thing.










[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 5:06 PM. Reason : gfgff]

8/1/2009 4:55:26 PM

looks like you inherited their "bat-shit-crazy" gene.

8/1/2009 4:59:22 PM

It's a harsh world, and an even more harsh reality.

8/1/2009 5:00:04 PM