Started graduate program at a new school that is stuck in the dark ages. IT department refuses to tell me their email server addresses (IMAP/POP3/SMTP...I don't know what they are using) so I can add it to the email client on my phone. Does anyone know how to find this out?

9/5/2009 11:20:27 AM

what university? are there no setup instructions anywhere for outlook or any other email client?? i assume youve googled?

why the hell would they refuse to tell you that? anywyas..

you can try the usual suspects like imap.whateverdomain.edu and smtp.whatever and pop.whatever (try pinging them all and see what responses you get if any)

but besides that it's just gonna be pinging guesses until you find something. unless someone knows something i don't

9/5/2009 11:25:04 AM

maybe angry IP scan + known .edu range?

http://www.angryip.org/w/Download

which is essentially 'pinging guesses' just in a more brute force fashion.

But yeah, listing the school name and whatever you know about the network would help.

[Edited on September 5, 2009 at 11:33 AM. Reason : ]

9/5/2009 11:32:36 AM

It's methodist university. We're talking CRT monitors and 6+ year old CPUs. Yep. Perhaps a photo of the guy in charge would be helpful in your understanding of my situation: http://www.methodist.edu/oic/index.htm

9/5/2009 11:35:06 AM

If it's any help, they use an email client called Novell Groupwise 8

9/5/2009 11:36:06 AM

I would just create a rule to forward it to gmail or something. If they're this far behind and felt like groupwise was a good idea, you probably need added junk filtering anyway.

9/5/2009 11:41:13 AM

^got it forwarding to gmail right now, it's just a bit frustrating because for some instructors, I HAVE to reply using my school's account...not gmails. They got this filter thing called GWAVA which stops every email with a "Fwd: re: ....". I set a filter already for all the school emails (they send out mass messages roughly 3x/day)

9/5/2009 11:44:46 AM

With GMail you can add a "reply from" address that you own to make it appear as if it's coming from your edu account, but I don't know if it would actually fool the mail servers.

9/5/2009 11:57:41 AM

I like how they tell you about NIC Cards.

Quote :

"Most laptops/computer now come standard with NICs, if not, you may have to install one. If you have to install a NIC, follow the directions supplied with the NIC. The NIC card allows you to connect your computer to the network/Internet."

9/5/2009 12:34:22 PM

Quote :

"got it forwarding to gmail right now, it's just a bit frustrating because for some instructors, I HAVE to reply using my school's account...not gmails."

Gmail's custom 'From:' feature lets you use Gmail to send messages with another of your email addresses listed as the sender in place of your Gmail address. This way, it's easier to manage multiple accounts from the Gmail interface.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=22370

9/5/2009 12:36:01 PM

^ what he said

are they really a university now? lol @ their golf management degree

my parents live across the street from methodist

9/5/2009 12:42:04 PM

^,^^yo fools i said that already

But isn't it similar to spoofing the address? I know when I do it the header always says something such as "sent on behalf of" which is why I mentioned not knowing whether or not groupwise would filter it.

9/5/2009 12:52:11 PM

Tried sending out email with gmail telling it to say it's from my school account. It got "GWAVAed" (the email filter) ugh.

Yep...it's a university now. I know I'm biased, but take my word for it that my graduate program is pretty legit (as for the undergrad stuff...well, ummm...i'll let you decide that one).

I got good laughs out of the NIC card thing too amongst so many other things.

Don't get me started on our program having to use blackboard because that's the only program the Unviersity has available. No...it's not webCT vista...it's straight up old school blackboard. As in, I can't even sync the calendar with my phone, google calendar, or even outlook


There must be some way to uncover the server addresses. I offer warm fuzzy feelings in return.

[Edited on September 5, 2009 at 1:14 PM. Reason : ]

9/5/2009 1:12:27 PM

Why not just log into one of the school computers and see how it's set up?

9/5/2009 1:13:33 PM

^ log into a university computer and see? Could you tell me what I would do once on there? They managed to load XP on the library dinosaurs.

9/5/2009 1:15:06 PM

derrick@server:~$ telnet email.methodist.edu imaps
Trying 96.10.1.103...
Connected to email.methodist.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
^]

telnet> quit
Connection closed.
derrick@server:~$ cat /etc/services | grep imaps
imaps		993/tcp				# IMAP over SSL
imaps		993/udp

derrick@server:~$ openssl s_client -connect email.methodist.edu:993
CONNECTED(00000003)
depth=0 /C=NC/ST=North Carolina/L=Fayetteville/O=Methodist University/OU=Computer Services/CN=email.methodist.edu
verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
verify return:1
depth=0 /C=NC/ST=North Carolina/L=Fayetteville/O=Methodist University/OU=Computer Services/CN=email.methodist.edu
verify error:num=27:certificate not trusted
verify return:1
depth=0 /C=NC/ST=North Carolina/L=Fayetteville/O=Methodist University/OU=Computer Services/CN=email.methodist.edu
verify error:num=21:unable to verify the first certificate
verify return:1
---
Certificate chain
 0 s:/C=NC/ST=North Carolina/L=Fayetteville/O=Methodist University/OU=Computer Services/CN=email.methodist.edu
   i:/OU=Organizational CA/O=MC
---
Server certificate
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----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-----END CERTIFICATE-----
subject=/C=NC/ST=North Carolina/L=Fayetteville/O=Methodist University/OU=Computer Services/CN=email.methodist.edu
issuer=/OU=Organizational CA/O=MC
---
No client certificate CA names sent
---
SSL handshake has read 1409 bytes and written 316 bytes
---
New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is AES256-SHA
Server public key is 1024 bit
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
SSL-Session:
    Protocol  : TLSv1
    Cipher    : AES256-SHA
    Session-ID: 
    Session-ID-ctx: 
    Master-Key: 41E1D15686C7B36FC9AB465229472950030E1ECCAAE78B7BC02A95F46E5B980B35880B36E916B59FEFE2E3E2EE44D2D8
    Key-Arg   : None
    Start Time: 1252172107
    Timeout   : 300 (sec)
    Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate)
---
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=XGWTRUSTEDAPP UNSELECT XGWEXTENSIONS] GroupWise Server Ready
DONE

9/5/2009 1:44:26 PM

I always get bitched at cause people can't understand what I'm talking about, so to summarize:

they're running IMAPS on email.methodist.edu

9/5/2009 1:47:19 PM

Quote :

"I always get bitched at cause people can't understand what I'm talking about, so to summarize"

feel better about yourself now?

9/5/2009 4:02:47 PM

Quote :

"feel better about yourself now?"

yes

9/5/2009 4:19:20 PM

llama - you've gotten me really close to a solution! After toying around with the settings and whatnot, my phone is now telling me "The server's security certificate is invalid, or your date and time is set incorrectly." I've tried not encrypting it, SSL, and TLS with no luck. I set the port to 993 after I got errors about not finding the server under the default 995 (I also saw 993 written in your post (ping?)).

Any ideas as to what the deal is?

9/5/2009 4:56:54 PM

port 995 is POP3S (pop3 over SSL), not IMAPS. make sure you haven't set it to use pop3/pop3s

SSL and TLS require the client and server times be the same (with a few minutes variation). Make sure you time is set correctly. I could be wrong, but I think the cert they're using is self-signed (meaning there's no way to verify it), and this can cause problems with some applications.

9/5/2009 5:50:41 PM

ya, it's self-signed

This certificate belongs to:
   email.methodist.edu
   Unknown
   Methodist University
   Computer Services
   Fayetteville

This certificate was issued by:
   Unknown
   Unknown
   MC
   Organizational CA
   Unknown

This certificate is valid
   from May  9 19:52:00 2008 GMT
     to Jul 15 18:18:03 2016 GMT

9/5/2009 5:55:48 PM

; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> @localhost methodist.edu MX
 ; (2 servers found)
 ;; global options:  printcmd
 ;; Got answer:
 ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 55100
 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
 
 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;methodist.edu.			IN	MX
 
 ;; ANSWER SECTION:
 methodist.edu.		86400	IN	MX	10 email.methodist.edu.
 
 ;; Query time: 141 msec
 ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
 ;; WHEN: Sun Sep  6 00:39:59 2009
 ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 53

9/5/2009 6:40:04 PM