I know its old, we have all seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo

I dont care where you fall on the political spectrum, everyone should be appalled at this. Its something straight out of Nazi Germany. No sitting elected leader should ever be held to such praise while in office, nor should children but taught to praise a living leader. Instead teach them to praise the ideals and values we stand for as a nation, not the leader. Dictators are praised through song. And just to be academically honest, Id be saying the same damn thing if it were Bush they were praising, though I wager there would be much more outrage on the left.

9/27/2009 8:06:15 AM

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"Its something straight out of Nazi Germany."

Yes it's retarded and over the top but get a grip. The only thing like the Nazis were THE FUCKING NAZIS.

9/27/2009 8:29:27 AM

-Reference to Nazi Germany?
CHECK

-Promise that OP would be equally upset if the subject of discussion were _________ (insert skin color or political party)...?
CHECK

-...with caveat that ________ (insert skin color or political party) would be more upset because they're whiny bitches?
CHECK

9/27/2009 8:38:23 AM

Why not stay on topic. You know this goes on in schools everywhere, just so happens this one was caught. Why not be honest enough to just admit it is wrong in terms of principle.

9/27/2009 8:45:21 AM

It is. I'm just amused more by your post.

9/27/2009 8:49:35 AM

Why, because my post fit some magical conservative check list. I mean everything I said, which is why I think we should all be outraged on the principle. And my comparison to Nazi Germany was only because that kind of praise and brainwashing of children should only happen in a dictatorship. Im not making the comparison that the kids are Nazis.

9/27/2009 8:54:54 AM

No, actually it's nothing like the brainwashing that resulted in the systematic killing and torture of 6 million Jews plus millions of other ethnic groups, gays, etc. Not to mention the 70 million others who died in WWII that my grandfather fought in.

9/27/2009 9:16:41 AM

SHIT! Now a brainwashed army of second graders are going to go out and vote for Obama.

You're right to be afraid.

9/27/2009 9:20:01 AM

So I just read up on this and it turns out that none of the kids' parents gave a shit, and they all got copies of the lyrics beforehand to object if they wanted.

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/no-parents-objected-obama-song-lyrics/

So yeah, just like the Nazis. You people make me fucking sick.

9/27/2009 9:49:57 AM

I'd have to agree that a song deliberately praising one specific individual president is inappropriate to be taught to public school students. A representative democracy needs citizens who are taught to turn a questioning eye to government and it's use of power, not to "pledge to be a servant to" or sing the praises of one specific person. The United States is a nation of laws, not of men.




Now, the video I posted involves the children of BHO supporters, and there is nothing wrong with them asking their children to do that. They may raise their kids as they see fit. However, as someone who is suspicious of hero-worship or centralization of power in a person, I thought I'd point out the parallels.

9/27/2009 9:54:40 AM

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"-Reference to Nazi Germany? CHECK -Promise that OP would be equally upset if the subject of discussion were _________ (insert skin color or political party)...? CHECK -...with caveat that ________ (insert skin color or political party) would be more upset because they're whiny bitches? CHECK"

Hahahaha win

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"The United States is a nation of laws, not of men."

Disappointing isn't it

[Edited on September 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

9/27/2009 10:05:01 AM

Worship of America's leaders has happened before


here is a good instance

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg105813.html

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"US soldiers in Iraq asked to pray for Bush Last Update: Sunday, March 30, 2003. 2:55am (AEST) They may be the ones facing danger on the battlefield, but US soldiers in Iraq are being asked to pray for President George W Bush. Thousands of marines have been given a pamphlet called "A Christian's Duty," a mini prayer book which includes a tear-out section to be mailed to the White House pledging the soldier who sends it in has been praying for Bush. "

yikes

9/27/2009 10:32:09 AM

^ That doesn't make it acceptable. I'm opposed to it in every fashion.

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"So I just read up on this and it turns out that none of the kids' parents gave a shit"

At least one of the parents objected, I'm sure CNN could have found more.

9/27/2009 10:59:45 AM

^ You left off the last part of my quote there, skippy.

9/27/2009 11:01:53 AM

Only for brevity's sake, I don't think it detracts from the administrators statement.

9/27/2009 11:06:21 AM

I don't find the lyrics particularly indoctrinating. We are taught from a young age to love our president and believe in him. This has been happening for decades and probably closer to a century.

I could take the OP more seriously if such opposition came form him in the many years prior to the election of BHO, but since he waited until this particularly moment to raise objection I find his motives suspicious.

9/27/2009 11:10:01 AM

Well then they should have objected when they had the chance, not afterward to get on TV.

9/27/2009 11:13:05 AM

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"We are taught from a young age to love our president and believe in him."

Who is we? I don't ever recall seeing Reagan venerated (not that he should have been) or George Bush Sr or even Clinton. I mean, I knew who the president was but I never sang songs about Reagan. Maybe others did?

9/27/2009 11:17:35 AM

Exactly. I think the other disturbing part of this, for me, is that those who view these occurrences as something that has never before happened in this country and use such events as supporting evidence of their "no longer my america" argument as a means to express their intrinsic, and often undeserved, distaste for the president.

right or wrong nationalism has always been promoted in schools in many forms. Love for the president is one of them. the same people who are condemning this so strongly now are the ones who would question the patriotism of those who would be appalled by similar action during a president with an R by his name.

9/27/2009 11:18:26 AM

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"So I just read up on this and it turns out that none of the kids' parents gave a shit, and they all got copies of the lyrics beforehand to object if they wanted. http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/no-parents-objected-obama-song-lyrics/ So yeah, just like the Nazis. You people make me fucking sick. "

not to mention that administration or the DNC had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was just this one school with this one teacher who wanted to have her students sing a pretty mild song with generic lyrics.

If we went around to every school in the country and looked at the curriculum of every teacher, i’m sure we’d find ridiculous things across the spectrum.

http://www.classroomclassics.com/filecabinet/htmlfiles/M2.html

Not to mention school kids have been singing all kinds of songs for decades now.

The only way to stop this kind of thing is to have draconian regulations on what teachers can and can’t do, is that what the Republicans/conservatives want? Are you now in favor of tight gov. controls on publics schools? Because a more private school system would probably make these occurrences MORE frequent.

[Edited on September 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM. Reason : ]

9/27/2009 11:32:28 AM

i remember singing songs about the president in elementary school, i had no idea it was so controversial. i guess it was about bush sr.

9/27/2009 2:29:14 PM

I never sang a song about any president in any of my schools. It's wrong, plain and simple. And, yes, the democrats would have shit their brains out if any school had tried this for Dubya. If you disagree, well, your partisan blinders must be shoved massively up your ass.

9/27/2009 2:40:14 PM

^ That isn't my primary objection, but you're absolutely right.

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"right or wrong nationalism has always been promoted in schools in many forms."

Nationalism (which I oppose as well) isn't the same as extolling one particular individual.

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"as a means to express their intrinsic, and often undeserved, distaste for the president."

I find the president to be deserving of a great deal of criticism. I have found every president since I started paying serious attention to politics to be deserving of a great deal of criticism. This one happens to be exponentially more aggressive in a statist, paternalistic, and fiscally irresponsible sense than his predecessors. I'd have reacted the same way to FDR (presuming a similar mindset, background, education etc.)


Good to see that the intellectual heirs of the revolution of the 60s have abandoned the concept of questioning authority and have wholeheartedly embraced the power of the state.

9/27/2009 2:49:14 PM

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"This one happens to be exponentially more aggressive in a statist, paternalistic, and fiscally irresponsible sense than his predecessors"

really? how?

i'd especially love to hear how he's more fiscally irresponsible than gwb.

[Edited on September 27, 2009 at 2:53 PM. Reason : .]

9/27/2009 2:53:03 PM

better than

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdt_f0hwUg

9/27/2009 2:56:17 PM

http://www.sara-jordan.com/product-121.shtml

9/27/2009 3:06:54 PM

This thread is coming from a guy who in a chit chat thread referred to the protesters in this video as violent and said that obama was worse than the cops who used a harmful weapon on peaceful protestors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X12G4DJ0mas

9/27/2009 3:26:15 PM

Remember the good old days when Democratic Presidents were compared to Stalin rather than Hitler?

9/27/2009 3:28:25 PM

Teaching this stupid song to children was a bad idea. But I think this topic is distracting.

Conservatives, Republicans, the right, etc...are humiliated on a daily basis by their utterly brainwashed following.

Yes, a group of school kids were at risk of some indoctrination when they were made to sing this song.

But if anybody is indoctrinated, mindless, brainwashed, etc...if there is something to be concerned about in that way, it's the grown adults who exclaim, "Thank God for Glenn Beck!"


Sorry, guys.

9/27/2009 3:34:21 PM

9/27/2009 3:36:50 PM

G20 protestors in Pittsburgh get dragged out in the street and beaten with clubs.

Tea party protestors get made fun of on the news.

The media is the real face of fascism.

9/27/2009 3:38:34 PM

What bugs me about the Nazi comparisons isn't that they're wrong or cliched. What bugs me is that we as a society are so jaded that we don't think anybody will get worked up over something unless it has to do with the most horrific thing that has ever happened.

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That said, the song has no place in schools, and I agree in principle with Republican18's concerns about hero worship -- not because I think we'll all be goosestepping merrily to hell because of it, but because it's generally anti-American.

[Edited on September 27, 2009 at 3:57 PM. Reason : ]

9/27/2009 3:55:08 PM

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"i'd especially love to hear how he's more fiscally irresponsible than gwb."

Well, in fairness, the current fiscal boon was started under GWB, but has been continued under BHO. So he gets to share that blame with the former President. The health care bill will undoubtedly cost more than $900,000,000,000 over the next decade and the chances of it being remotely revenue neutral are practically zero. I can't think of a single government program which came in at or under budget, nor can I think of one which didn't add to the deficit, all proclamations to the contrary. He has certainly been more intercessory with private companies and has expressed greater interest in telling me how to run my life. Forgive me if I take issue with that. Like I said, there really isn't much difference between BHO and his predecessors, he is just more aggressive about it.


The Jesus / GWB video was disturbing, but in fairness the children were there as voluntarily as children may be anywhere.

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"Remember the good old days when Democratic Presidents were compared to Stalin rather than Hitler?"

I can't even count how many times either Bush or Cheney was compared to Hitler. Fascist has been so over-used by the radical left that it has practically become cliche. I remember a guy in my high school driving around with a "I'd rather be smashing fascism" bumper sticker on the back of his parent-provided brand new Ford Explorer. I find it interesting that far more attention has been paid to protesters comparing the president to Hitler than has been paid to the Speaker of the House comparing the protesters to Nazis. That news got swept under the rug with a quickness.


I agree with Grumpy on this. There are a lot of reasons to oppose Obama's programs without demonizing him. Unfortunately that is all either side reacts to.

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"But if anybody is indoctrinated, mindless, brainwashed, etc...if there is something to be concerned about in that way, it's the grown adults who exclaim, "Thank God for Glenn Beck!" I love you Barack Obama"

There are clueless, brainwashed people on both sides, the opposition just happens to be the loudest right now.

9/27/2009 4:23:37 PM

Yeah, it's like they think he's the only person who can save the nation, with his infinite wisdom, knowledge, rational thinking, powerful message, and unique sense of greatness. This is someone we need to turn towards as the future of our country NOW! It's time that the people WOKE UP and embraced the greatness that is Ron Paul...err....I mean...yeah.

EVERYONE is guilty of it.

9/27/2009 4:49:12 PM

i was watching the news the other morning and had the sound muted and they started their usual morning nibble on the soggy obama cock. clip after clip, then i noticed something that straight up shook me. This schmuck's body language is like every nightmare "cult of personality" dictator that came after WWII. Bush was a stilted speaker and paused after nearly every phrase for clarity. Obama skips all that rubbish and has adopted the "Call and response" methods of Mussolini. even the facial expressions are the same. Albeit he doesn't have the cartoonish hands on hips posturing down yet. Never seen video of a sitting president trying to whip a crowd up before, and those elements are present in every single public appearance.

9/27/2009 4:53:26 PM

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"I'd have to agree that a song deliberately praising one specific individual president is inappropriate to be taught to public school students. A representative democracy needs citizens who are taught to turn a questioning eye to government and it's use of power, not to "pledge to be a servant to" or sing the praises of one specific person. The United States is a nation of laws, not of men."

Right On

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"I never sang a song about any president in any of my schools. It's wrong, plain and simple. And, yes, the democrats would have shit their brains out if any school had tried this for Dubya. If you disagree, well, your partisan blinders must be shoved massively up your ass."

Rock n Roll

9/27/2009 4:59:57 PM

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"It's time that the people WOKE UP and embraced the greatness that is Ron Paul...err....I mean...yeah."

I like Ron Paul because he said what I thought needed to be said. I didn't think what Ron Paul said was right because he said it. I appreciate his voice but I don't "revere" it.


Barack Obama himself said, "I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views." The idolization of Barack Obama has more to do with his charisma, his oratory, his physical attractiveness, and his outward appearance of race than his specific ideology.

9/27/2009 5:07:09 PM

How do we know this is a liberal indoctrination thing and not a white guilt thing?

9/27/2009 5:48:21 PM

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"Never seen video of a sitting president trying to whip a crowd up before"

It's happened before, though it was probably more common early in the century. When Presidents want to get stuff through Congress, they can try dealing with that body directly or they can go "over their heads," so to speak, directly to the constituency, and apply pressure that way.

Wilson did it when he was trying to get the League of Nations ratified in this country. The Senate was uncooperative so he went on an ill-advised speaking tour trying to get people worked up over it. In his case, it was a poor choice, and that's why today the first thing Woodrow Wilson brings to mind is "nightmare cult of personality dictator," what with his diabolical scheme for world peace and all.

That nefarious commie/nazi Teddy Roosevelt was also fond of the tactic. He was all about the hand gestures and facial expressions, too. And you'll recall how history looks back on TR as being just a step below Benito Mussolini.

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The point is, none of this is new. It wasn't new when Mussolini started it. It isn't unique to dictatorships.

What it is is a tactic for dealing with a Congress that seemed unwilling to make certain compromises. Right now, I'd say that it backfired -- going directly to the people created an environment that allowed for even stronger polarization on both sides.

9/27/2009 5:53:20 PM

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"What bugs me about the Nazi comparisons isn't that they're wrong or cliched..."

The fact that Nazi comparisons are used so much that they are considered cliched is a sad indictment on the current state of politics. People that make those comparisons to score political points are just fucking vile human beings and they absolutely disgust me.

(Yes, even those that compared Bush to Nazis. You are just like those assholes. Congratulations.)

9/27/2009 6:27:04 PM

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"OopsPowSrprs: The fact that Nazi comparisons are used so much that they are considered cliched is a sad indictment on the current state of politics. People that make those comparisons to score political points are just fucking vile human beings and they absolutely disgust me."

Man, it's almost like they're Nazis or something.

9/27/2009 6:42:30 PM

What is your point?

9/27/2009 6:53:20 PM

People who fall back on the Nazi talk have a hyperbole problem. They're often uninformed and stupid. They are not trying to conjure up images of skeleton piles and gas chambers in order to garner support for their views.

To say they are "fucking vile human beings" who "absolutely disgust" you is a little...hyperbolic.

9/27/2009 7:04:22 PM

Calling uninformed and stupid people vile and disgusting is a hyperbole. Comparing a US president to Hitler is a giant fucking hyperbole, to the point of being vile and disgusting.

9/27/2009 7:18:32 PM

ZOMG OBAMA == HITLER

ZOMG WERE ALL GOING TO HELL

...

jesus christ people. the song is pretty dumb, the idealism of the teacher is misplaced, but you all need to get a grip.

9/27/2009 8:00:14 PM

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"You know this goes on in schools everywhere, just so happens this one was caught."

I seem to remember a scene in Jesus Camp where the kids were made to pray to their savior George W. Bush in the form of a cardboard cutout but people weren't up in arms about that.

9/27/2009 8:25:20 PM

god it must suck to be a republican right now. shit's gotten so bad for you you're grasping at straws like this less than a year in.

9/27/2009 8:50:25 PM

Okay, the OP should have known better than to reference Nazi Germany in the first post.

That being said, Obama cultivated a Cult of Personality while running for office and has continued to do so, this just being another small glimpse of it. I personally haven't seen anything like that in American politics, the only thing close to what Obama has created for himself would be the image of Kennedy as a president, but that image was crafted after his death.

Idolizing any one person is bad, idolizing someone in a position of power is dangerous. The powers of the President have slowly grown and centralized through the years, through both Republican and Democratic administrations, and this is not a good thing. No one should want to be President, it should be a burden and a duty, a service to ones country, and it should definitely not be ones life pursuit like it was for Obama, and to a lesser degree Bush Jr. (he kind of stumbled in to politcs through his family connections though).

So yeah, I do find it disturbing that people are getting 8(?) year olds to sing about supporting Obama and his ideology.

9/27/2009 9:30:55 PM

right on

9/27/2009 10:06:31 PM

Hey BridgetSPK...let me clear things up for you.

Group of school kids - FORCED TO SING A SONG BY SCHOOL FACULTY - This is the definition of Indoctrination

Glenn Beck Viewers - NOT FORCED TO WATCH A TELEVISION PROGRAM - This is not the definition of indoctrination.

K. You do understand the difference right?

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"Calling uninformed and stupid people vile and disgusting is a hyperbole. Comparing a US president to Hitler is a giant fucking hyperbole, to the point of being vile and disgusting."

As JCASHFAN has already pointed out....Bush was compared to Hitler often. Where was this outrage then? Hyperbole has been going on since our republic started. It'll be around long after were gone. Get used to it.

I agree with what JCASHFAN has posted in this thread. (for the first time in SB history)

9/27/2009 10:18:48 PM