http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/acc-elevates-champs-bowl-may-cut-gator-tie

No more Gator Bowl. Thanks Boston College fans and John Swofford.

10/7/2009 11:38:04 PM

ghey

the Gator Bowl used to be even higher than it is/was...when we played in it it was a higher ranking bowl game than it currently is

10/7/2009 11:47:07 PM

so. jacksonville is no place to be for new years anyhow. go orlando.

10/7/2009 11:47:46 PM

new years in jacksonville was actually pretty fun when we played notre dame

10/7/2009 11:50:41 PM

Yup...Gator Bowl was No. 2 ACC bowl when we played in it.

10/7/2009 11:54:54 PM

I had a hotel room in St. Augustine...good times

Lots of mileage on that trip...after the game we went to New Orleans, partied hard, and had good sits at a Hornets game

[Edited on October 7, 2009 at 11:58 PM. Reason : then the alternator went out north of Atlanta near Clemson in Bumfuck, GA...$350 tow to the QC

10/7/2009 11:56:55 PM

at least this increases chances of NCSU playing in Charlotte

(after the ACC championship which will be in Charlotte, of course)

[Edited on October 8, 2009 at 12:10 AM. Reason : -]

10/8/2009 12:09:38 AM

yea, it's always exciting to play in-state

10/8/2009 12:10:14 AM

I'd like to give a big FUCK YOU to boston college

your constant whining has cost our conference big

10/8/2009 12:29:45 AM

hey now. They were nice enough to give us their head coach

10/8/2009 2:24:14 AM

why did we let BC join the ACC again?

i'm pretty sure every team would vote BC out first if there was the option.

10/8/2009 4:21:22 AM

^ Because Syracuse said no?

At least that's my hope for why. I really hope we asked Syracuse first.

10/8/2009 7:19:01 AM

The original 3 were Miami, Syracuse, BC. UVA pushed to get VT in (Duke and UNC said they would vote against anything, so UVA had the swing vote). So the initial vote got Miami in but created a stalemate over the other two. In the meantime Boeheim made a stink about Syracuse among others (and maybe they backpedaled privately). In the end the conference voted in VT and BC, but not until they had passed a deadline that pushed up their buyout clause and delayed entry into the conference for a year.


The justification for BC was that they were a good fit academically, solid hoops and football programs, and added another east coast TV market. Obviously the conference needed to get to 12 for a championship game, and BC offered two things VT did not at the time: a new TV market and a respectable basketball program. Ironically, VT's basketball program is now MUCH more respectable than Syracuse football. As for why BC filled out the final slot rather than Syracuse, I'm not sure that will ever really be public, as it would seem the conference would choose the NY market over Boston.

[Edited on October 8, 2009 at 7:31 AM. Reason : .]

10/8/2009 7:27:00 AM

ha, BC would end up in Boise or with no bowl if they got rid of the one win rule. It'd be funny as shit.

10/8/2009 7:30:52 AM

^^ ACC had no idea what the fanbases were like apparently. Syracuse has many more fans in the NYC market, despite being 7 hours away than BC does in Boston.

Anyway, if I read the bowl setup correctly, it's now Big East #2 vs ACC #3 (with ND being able to take the Big East #2 spot ONCE every four years.

[Edited on October 8, 2009 at 8:05 AM. Reason : not from this article]

10/8/2009 8:05:23 AM

^ Not only that, but despite the fact that Syracuse's current football program isn't exactly sparkling they still have better name recognition country-wide than BC does.

I was ok giving up BC for VT, that seems to have worked out pretty well (although I still don't like the Virginia Legislature meddling), but giving up Syracuse for VT still kinda rankles me.

Don't get me wrong, BC is a fine school and all, but I'd find myself more willing to travel to see State play in the Carrier Dome than Alumni Stadium.

10/8/2009 8:36:31 AM

^I traveled to the game at BC in 2005; while Alumni stadium kind of sucks, Boston is a pretty cool city whereas I don't know what (if anything) Syracuse has to recommend it as a destination. Both of them are really far away, and really cold in the winter.

[Edited on October 8, 2009 at 8:45 AM. Reason : Unless you're referring to the possibility of visiting NYC--I have no clue how far it is from there.]

10/8/2009 8:44:33 AM

syracuse has proximity to cooperstown going for it

10/8/2009 9:35:02 AM

WVU would have been the best fit geographically and for the quality of their FB and BB teams

But they're barely Downs level academically, and have a tiny TV market, and don't add any real cache to the league, so fuck em




I still like the ultimate endgame of Maryland and BC retreating to the Big East, and the 10 team ACC playing a round robin 9 game conference schedule like the Pac 10, with no Championship game

[Edited on October 8, 2009 at 9:40 AM. Reason : x]

10/8/2009 9:39:34 AM

Should have bowed down on knees and begged florida, georgia or south carolina. Would've meant increased basketball relevence and easy football dominance from their perspective. Florida could still have played kentucky and also play Duke and UNC.

[Edited on October 8, 2009 at 10:26 AM. Reason : were their sec rivals more important than fsu-miami]

10/8/2009 10:26:14 AM

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"Should have bowed down on knees and begged florida, georgia or south carolina."

And monkeys should have flown out of my butt. They would never leave the SEC.

10/8/2009 10:30:49 AM

It is what it is and it ain't changing.

I told you guys up and down that BC was worthless... and I was right. Getting Va Tech was a great move and Miami was a good pick up too despite their non-existent fanbase in general and my general hatred of Shalala.

Honestly, this isn't THAT big a deal. From what I've read Florida Citrus Sports is upping the payout to be near where the Gator Bowl was. This looks like a downgrade from the perspective of the Gator Bowl. I wonder how much financial trouble they are in given the losses they incurred on the ACC Championship Game coupled with the less than ideal traveling fanbases they have been forced in to taking recently (yeah, GT and BC, I'm looking at you).

Really, it's the same setup as it was 5 years ago more or less when it was #2 ACC/#2 Big East. Now it's #3 ACC/#2 Big East. Neither party really deserves any better based on the on-field performance recently.

10/8/2009 10:38:19 AM

Actually, it might be changing. Isn't the Big East looking to snag some new teams in the next few years? I thought they were considering going after BC or Maryland.

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" WVU would have been the best fit geographically"

Well, sorta. There's the mild problem that WV doesn't actually touch the Atlantic, as opposed to NY or Mass.

Then again, if the Coast Guard headquarters could be there (a landlocked state) then there's no reason the Atlantic Coast Conference couldn't have a presence there.

10/8/2009 11:37:42 AM

dont patronize me

10/8/2009 11:39:01 AM

arizona doesnt touch the pacific

but i guess pac10 doesnt have coast in its title

10/8/2009 11:57:51 AM

we could always call ourselves the atlantic 12

10/8/2009 12:05:45 PM

or BBC "beach bums conference"

10/8/2009 12:44:46 PM

BAC

basketball athletic conference

10/8/2009 12:45:41 PM

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"new years in jacksonville was actually pretty fun when we played notre dame"

damn right, I'd love to go to another Gator Bowl. It's Florida without being really fucking far away.

Since its ACC #3 I guess we have a better shot of making this bowl game sooner rather than later

10/8/2009 12:53:41 PM

did you miss the whole part about the gator bowl and the acc splitting?

10/8/2009 1:09:41 PM

sorry, I'm optimistic and nowhere in the article did it say game over.

10/8/2009 1:18:58 PM

http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/stories/2009/10/05/daily40.html

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"The Konica Minolta Gator Bowl is close to completing a deal that will match teams from the Southeastern Conference and the Big 10 starting with the game after next season. “We’ve reached an agreement to have the SEC team participate in the next four years,” said Gator Bowl President Rick Catlett. “We’re still in negotiations with the Big 10. It’s not done but likely to be done.” Catlett said under the terms of the new deal the payout to each team will increase from $2.25 million to about $2.7 million. The Gator Bowl is in the last year of a deal that features an Atlantic Coast Conference team. Under that deal the Gator Bowl would match the ACC team with one from the Big East Conference, or Notre Dame, and the deal includes a provision that allowed the Gator Bowl to choose a Big 12 team one year, which it did last year when it chose Nebraska. The last game under that arrangement will be played Jan. 1, 2010. The SEC-Big 10 matchup will start with the 2011 game. It will remain a New Year’s Day game played at 1 p.m. or 1:30 p.m. Catlett said he expects higher attendance at the game once the SEC-Big 10 arrangement begins. "

10/8/2009 1:21:41 PM

fucking hell.


oh well, I guess now I can go down there to see a game between some actual good teams

10/8/2009 1:24:03 PM

Kind of redundant with the Citrus Bowl, but those are the two conferences with the most tradition, thus the most alumni and casual fans, thus higher attendance, thus more money

It all makes sense

10/8/2009 1:25:11 PM

sweet. another bowl for a Big 10 team to get their ass kicked by the SEC

10/8/2009 1:59:56 PM

So having lost the Gator bowl, we now have (correct me if I'm wrong or if any of these are not permanent tie-ins):
1. BCS/rotating
2. Chick-Fil-A Peach/Atlanta
3. Champs/Orlando
4. Continental Tire/Charlotte
5. Humanitarian/Boise

I know ACC teams have played in Music City/Nashville, Emerald/San Francisco, and Papa John's/Louisville recently, but I don't think any of those are permanent tie-ins. Do we really only have 5 automatic bid bowls for 12 teams, with one of them being in fucking Boise? That's pretty sad.

10/8/2009 3:53:54 PM

The acc has tie ins to the emerald and music city bowls. Also believe DC is in there too

[Edited on October 8, 2009 at 4:10 PM. Reason : ]

10/8/2009 4:07:57 PM

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"Papa John's/Louisville"

Bowl is in Alabama, stadium is in Kentucky

10/8/2009 4:13:04 PM

Music City and Emerald are ahead of Humanitarian and even with the Continental Tire Bowl.

Eaglebank in DC is ACC #8 (I guess now it is #7).
GMAC in Mobile is a new ACC tie in against the MAC 1 or 2 team.


So maybe we will be back in Alabama, but not Birmingham.

10/8/2009 4:48:15 PM

Okay, makes more sense. I wasn't aware those were permanent tie-ins and completely forgot about the one in DC.

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"Bowl is in Alabama, stadium is in Kentucky"

Ah, that's right. I was thinking about the stadium, oops.

10/8/2009 4:57:19 PM

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"oh well, I guess now I can go down there to see a game between some actual good teams "

I think you missed the part where they're going to be using a team from the Big 10.

10/8/2009 5:41:36 PM

better teams playing in the champs sports bowl will just make the champs sports bowl more relevant. it might not sound as cool as the gator bowl, but who gives a shit. jacksonville sucks.

10/8/2009 5:55:16 PM

Don't forget the Sun Bowl

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/2504/acc-partners-with-sun-bowl

10/8/2009 10:58:18 PM

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"And monkeys should have flown out of my butt. They would never leave the SEC."

but why is this? especially if the time were right? Is 3 out of the 4 sec rivals they would lose (kentucky georgia lsu or tenn) bigger than their rivalries wih miami and fsu. when miami joined it seemd only right that florida would follow to complete the trifecta. Remember, this was before SEC dominated football and after everyone thought the ACC would be new football kings but still before Florida became the top football program and also before Maimi FSU and VT lost their football glamour.

For Georgia or USC it wouldn't make as much sense because they only have 1 acc rival that they play every year anyway.

10/8/2009 11:27:22 PM

^ The SEC makes a BUTTLOAD of money from football revenue, especially with the huge TV contract they signed recently. Leaving the SEC means voluntarily taking a MASSIVE pay cut in revenue, which means less money to higher premier head coaches and staffs. It's not surprising that the SEC has a lot of success given that they pay their coaching staffs a ton of money... far more than at ACC schools.

10/8/2009 11:46:17 PM

^^you have to be just trolling all of TWW. that's the only way i can forgive you for all the garbage you post

no offense, you you are fucking stupid if you are honestly trying to argue this shit

[Edited on October 9, 2009 at 1:00 AM. Reason : .]

10/9/2009 12:59:14 AM

where was I trying to argue? I was QUESTIONING why Florida wouldn't have considered the ACC. Nothing on this is sure since THEY WERE NEVER INVITED and how much more tv money does the SEC get than the ACC, anyway? team rankings equal.

Is vandy really bringing in more money than every acc school?

Can MSU really pay their coaches mor than Miami, FSU and UNC?

Is the difference between ACC basketball and SEC basketball really that much different than the historic SEC football advantage.

(this is all keeping in mind that it was assumed by everyone outside of the SEC that the ACC would be superior to the SEC in football with the addition of Miami and VT, adding Florida would've certainly supported those assumptions (not necesarily have made them come true))

10/9/2009 1:08:03 AM

the simplest answer is that the SEC allows their teams to admit fucking morons whereas the ACC at least has somewhat respectable academic standards. but florida was probably never offered because nobody was stupid enough to think that they would ever leave

ACC TV deal ~$37.6M/yr http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/acc/2004-05-12-tv-deal_x.htm

SEC TV deal ~$205M/yr http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/07/24/sec-espn/index.html

so, about 5.5 times more money per year. not to mention the fact the SEC routinely gets 2 BCS bowls to the ACC's 1. that's a few mil more a year split between schools.

[Edited on October 9, 2009 at 1:15 AM. Reason : .]

10/9/2009 1:14:27 AM

but the current deals were made after the expansion. would they be the same if florida was in the acc? hmm....

[Edited on October 9, 2009 at 1:16 AM. Reason : and its not like ACC can't get top talent. all the SEC teams aren't better than all ACC teams]

10/9/2009 1:16:09 AM

god damn, do you ever search for anything, or just ask questions? and for that matter, do you even read the shit other people find to answer your own questions? from the ACC article

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"The increased TV money was the centerpiece of the plan put together by Swofford when he recruited Big East schools — most notably Miami — in contentious negotiations last year. Miami and Virginia Tech will join the ACC beginning next season, followed by Boston College in 2005. That will bring the number of teams in the ACC to 12, allowing for divisions in football and a conference championship — which is expected to produce about $6 million in revenue. "

that means the ACC contract was signed AFTER THE EXPANSION TEAMS WERE KNOWN AND THE TIMELINE TO JOIN THE LEAGUE WAS ESTABLISHED. the ACC's 12 teams were worth half of what the SEC's OLD deal for 12 teams was worth (but close to double what the old 9 ACC were worth...one could argue that miami and VT were worth about as much cash as the previous 9 schools combined)

furthermore, the prior SEC deal was about $70M a year, or more than twice what the ACC brought in AFTER it was know the ACC was going to 12 teams

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/59824

finally, it doesn't matter about talent, or skill of teams, or records. the ACC exists in markets where college football is nice to have. in the SEC markets, football is FUCKING KING. when the ACC has even ONE team that can pull 70k to a SPRING game, MAYBE THEN we can start to talk about money ever existing in the same realm.

[Edited on October 9, 2009 at 1:35 AM. Reason : .]

10/9/2009 1:32:58 AM