Thoughts?

It's def. about making some money. BB's last game. He wanted it to be in FLA.

I think it's a load of crap. I thought it was supposed to be a great bowl game to go to. They'd normally take the 2 team from ACC, but they took a really bad FSU team this year.

WVU will wax that ass.

12/6/2009 9:50:42 PM

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"It's def. about making some money."

Every bowl game is definitely about making money. It's their sole reason for existing.

12/6/2009 9:52:13 PM

I love the pissing and moaning about who gets what second tier bowl. The ACC sucked hard this year, we barely deserve bowl games.

12/6/2009 9:54:56 PM

Clemson got dropped all the way to Nashville. Yikes.

12/6/2009 9:57:38 PM

fuck the bowl system. competition and the goal of finding the best team died long ago; the BCS is a bitter struggle about money and power.

12/6/2009 10:00:07 PM

YOU'RE RIGHT TAKING A 6-6 FSU OVER A 9-3 MIAMI IS TOTALLY LEGIT AND NOT WORTH COMPLAINING ABOUT.

12/6/2009 10:01:24 PM

college football is dead until they make an 8 or 16 team playoff.

12/6/2009 10:06:48 PM

Yeah so then we can have a bunch of teams pissed about not making an 8 or 16 team playoff.

12/6/2009 10:14:18 PM

I'm sure it doesn't hurt that it's only a 2.5hr drive from Tallahassee to Jacksonville.

12/6/2009 10:14:36 PM

^^^ college football will get on just fine without you

there will never be a playoff. sorry, that's just the way it is.

12/6/2009 10:16:06 PM

Can't believe State fans are bitching about the Gator Bowl taking FSU.

Remember when the Gator Bowl was the 2nd pick and took a 4th place NC State team over two teams that had better records then us, solely for the fact that our fans travel. The bowl games are all about selling tix and hotel rooms.

12/6/2009 10:30:08 PM

FSU didn't get this because they travel well. They got it because an old man said so.

A .500, 6th place team getting an invite to a bowl with a 3rd place conference tie-in is absolutely unheard-of and preposterous.



[Edited on December 6, 2009 at 10:42 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2009 10:40:04 PM

No, they got it because they were the most profitable choice for the Gator Bowl.

12/6/2009 10:42:01 PM

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"there will never be a playoff. sorry, that's just the way it is."

You must be an Ohio State Fan.

12/6/2009 10:44:12 PM

Along with the fact that the Gator Bowl is done with the ACC after this year, so they can do whatever batshit crazy stuff they want.

[Edited on December 6, 2009 at 10:45 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2009 10:44:17 PM

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"You must be an Ohio State Fan"

but everyone deserves the chance to get humilated on nation television, not just one team

12/6/2009 10:51:32 PM

It's going to take a miracle for the ACC to not have a losing bowl record this year.

12/6/2009 10:57:40 PM

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"They'd normally take the 2 team from ACC"

I thought chic-fil-a took the acc #2

12/7/2009 2:01:45 AM

^it does.

^^Miami wins, Clemson wins, VT wins, GT probably wins. I dunno about BC.

FSU and UNC probably lose.


Actually i dunno. Ponder is good. I guess they might win one for the ole ball coach.

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 2:09 AM. Reason : .]

12/7/2009 2:04:59 AM

^ Ponder had season-ending surgery on his throwing shoulder several weeks ago.

After selecting a 7-5 Clemson team last year and 6-6 FSU this year, I'm glad to see the Gator go. Bring on the Sun bowl.

12/7/2009 5:39:06 AM

WOOPS MAJOR FAIL.

12/7/2009 5:41:27 AM

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"Yeah so then we can have a bunch of teams pissed about not making an 8 or 16 team playoff."

Yeah, I've heard this before. I'd much rather see teams that finished with rankings 9-12 (or 17-20) complain about missing the playoffs than see teams 3-8 (or 3-16) complain about not making the one game that supposedly matters. This year is the perfect example. 5 undefeated teams. Three teams were absolutely screwed, none harder than Boise St. and TCU. They were pretty much told "go away, you don't belong with the big boys".

So yeah, let the teams that couldn't finish in the top 8 or 16 complain. It won't bother me until we start having seasons with 9 or 17 undefeated teams.

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 8:29 AM. Reason : -]

12/7/2009 8:27:29 AM

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"Remem-ber when the Gator Bowl was the 2nd pick and took a 4th place NC State team over two teams that had better records then us, solely for the fact that our fans travel. The bowl games are all about selling tix and hotel rooms."

We were also 9-3 in a VERY competitive ACC. Not 6-6 in a shit-tastic ACC.

HUGE difference, but nice try.

My main purpose here was what the Gator Bowl let go...
Miami - Great record and fans would drive there in mass since it's fairly close
Clemson - Deserving after a great finish in the ACC championship. Spiller is the best player in the country. They ALWAYS sell out their bowl games.
UNC - HAHAHA.. nevermind
VT - They had a good year.. just not what they normally do. Still better than FSU. This is who should have gone to the Gator Bowl IMO.

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 8:46 AM. Reason : .]

12/7/2009 8:44:10 AM

Methinks I has found a esplanation...

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"Under normal circumstances, Florida State would have likely fallen to a lower bowl with its 6-6 record, but the possibility of keeping Bowden in Florida for his final game matched against his former school was too much for the Gator Bowl to ignore."

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"Gator Bowl chairman Dan Murphy said they immediately jumped to Florida State when they learned of Bowden's plans to retire. "We got excited when we knew we could possibly pick Florida State," Murphy said. "We couldn't think of a better way for coach Bowden to go out." He said bowl officials expect tickets sales "to go through the roof.""

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4719913

Been to the last 2 Gator Bowls when FSU was in... but too busy to go this year

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 10:37 AM. Reason : Reason for edit]

12/7/2009 10:32:47 AM

damn thanks for that insight

I had no idea why this happened....

12/7/2009 10:43:58 AM

^^^What??

Virginia Tech is going to the Chick-Fil-A bowl... Which is a better bowl than the gator bowl...

are you saying 5 loss Clemson for Chick-Fil-A?

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM. Reason : .]

12/7/2009 10:51:44 AM

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"Yeah so then we can have a bunch of teams pissed about not making an 8 or 16 team playoff."

better to complain about who's 8 or 9 as opposed to who is 2 or 3

a playoff would ensure that if you do everything right (go undefeated) you should be in the playoff... you can't do that then... well your season deserves to be left up to chance by the voters, or by the money your school would bring to the playoff

12/7/2009 11:06:07 AM

hence why Texas gets a "national title game" over Cincinatti (sp?) that had more top 25 wins.

12/7/2009 11:20:41 AM

Where and when are these playoff games played?

and I believe texas and cincy each had two wins over teams that are now ranked.

if the Big East wants a chance at a 'ship, they need to stop being a joke of a conference and get four more teams.

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM. Reason : .]

12/7/2009 11:27:35 AM

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"Where and when are these playoff games played?"

What are all the schools scheduled to play in the BCS games doing for the next five weeks?

12/7/2009 11:53:47 AM

there's only 1 bowl game that matters, so who cares who the other bowls pick to play

12/7/2009 11:55:02 AM

^^^talking out of your ass I see.

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"Three teams were absolutely screwed, none harder than Boise St. and TCU"

Cincy is clearly a better team than Texas and now the National Championship game is going to be a blow out. Did you not watch the trainwreck that was the Big 12 championship?

It's bullshit that BSU and TCU are playing each other in a bowl game, those BCS organizers are a bunch of cocksuckers.

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 1:20 PM. Reason : Cincinnati beat just as many top 25 teams as Texas, thanks for trying though.]

12/7/2009 1:20:01 PM

For what it's worth here are the undefeated teams games against the final BCS Top 25 teams.

Texas: @#19 Oklahoma State and neutral site #22 Nebraska
TCU: #14 BYU and @#23 Utah
Cincy: #16 WVU, @#17 Pitt and @#18 Oregon State
Boise: #7 Oregon

I'm not going to argue that Cincy is BETTER than either of these two teams, just that they have, at the very least, comparable bodies of work.

They were #2 in the computers and #4 in the polls.

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"if the Big East wants a chance at a 'ship, they need to stop being a joke of a conference and get four more teams."

All that does is water down the leagues. Big East was consensus #3 this year in the computer rankings. SEC, Pac-10, BE, ACC, Big XII, Big Televen -- in that order

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 1:32 PM. Reason : x]

12/7/2009 1:31:17 PM

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"Miami - Great record and fans would drive there in mass since it's fairly close"

You do know the Gator Bowl is in Jacksonville right? That's a long trip.

We are as close to Jacksonville as Miami is. And since when does Miami travel? They don't even fill their home games.

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 1:48 PM. Reason : The U]

12/7/2009 1:48:02 PM

Bowl games are completely meaningless. Who cares who plays in which one?

12/7/2009 1:55:35 PM

yeah

LOL at anyone thinking Miami fans travel well

12/7/2009 1:57:04 PM

Sugar Bowl Region
(8) North Carolina (32) at (1) Florida-Alabama Winner (1)
(7) West Virginia (25) at (2) Ohio State (8)
(6) Nebraska (24) at (3) Houston (9)
(5) BYU (17) at (4) Troy (16)

Orange Bowl Region
(8) Wisconsin (29) at (1) Cincinnati (4)
(7) Clemson (28) at (2) Boise State (5)
(6) USC (21) at (3) Penn State (12)
(5) Miami (20) at (4) Central Michigan (13)
Easily the marquee matchup of the first round would be USC traveling
to Happy Valley to play Penn State in probably some very un-Southern
California-type weather.

Fiesta Bowl Region
(8) Northwestern (31) at (1) Texas (2)
(7) Stanford (26) at (2) Alabama-Florida Loser (7)
(6) Oklahoma State (23) at (3) Iowa (10)
(5) Pittsburgh (18) at (4) LSU (15)

Rose Bowl Region
(8) Arizona (30) at (1) TCU (3)
(7) Utah (27) at (2) Oregon (6)
(6) California (22) at (3) Georgia Tech (11)
(5) Oregon State (19) at (4) Virginia Tech (14)

In this format, the first two rounds would be at home sites, with the
first round the week after Thanksgiving, then after a one-week break
(in part to account for finals and in part to allow for schools to
more easily make arrangements) the second round would be played on the
week after the Heisman Trophy presentation. First round losers along
with schools that failed to make the 32-team field would play in the
lower tier bowls, with the higher-seeded first round losers getting
the better of those bowl games. Second round losers would play in one
of the top four non-BCS Bowl games: The two highest seeded second
round losers would play in the Cotton Bowl, the next two highest would
play in the Capital One Bowl, the two highest after that would play in
the Chick-Fil-A (Peach) Bowl and the two lowest seeded second round
losers would play in the Holiday Bowl. Each of those four bowl games,
along with what would be the top Bowl games for first round losers
(Gator, Outback, Liberty and Independence Bowls) would be in a
rotation that would every few years play host to one of the two
national semifinal games in addition to their regular bowl game.

12/7/2009 2:16:57 PM

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"Cincy is clearly a better team than Texas and now the National Championship game is going to be a blow out. Did you not watch the trainwreck that was the Big 12 championship?"

First off, Cincy is clearly an inferior team to Texas. Cincy's only decent wins are Oregon State, WVU and Pitt. Cincy scrapes by Pitt and you think they wouldn't get blown out by Bama? You must be insane. Also, the Big 12 championship was a shit show, but only because both teams have excellent defenses (Suh had arguably the most impressive game by a defensive player all year), not because both teams suck.

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"Bowl games are completely meaningless."

you should stick to hockey, a sport you actually might know something about

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2009 2:22:52 PM

That's just it... no one KNOWS if Texas is inferior to TCU or Cincy because the system is so fucking stupid. You can't say that in definitive terms just like whoever said Cincy was clearly better than Texas.

Texas barely scraped by A&M and Nebraska... Are they so much better than Pittsburgh? Alabama is the only 100% ironclad lock to be a great team of the undefeateds IMO...

^ get out of here with Texas having a great defense. A&M threw up 40 points on them a week ago... Nebraska just has an inept offense.

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM. Reason : x]

12/7/2009 2:27:11 PM

Cincy's defense sucks

Thats a given

12/7/2009 2:32:56 PM

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"get out of here with Texas having a great defense. A&M threw up 40 points on them a week ago"

first off, A&M's offense is nasty, they're averaging over 33 pts a game, and you could make the argument that Texas' Defense just had a shitty game since they hadn't given up more than 24 any other game.

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"Are they so much better than Pittsburgh?"

Pittsburgh lost to State, that should tell you all you need to know about how good they are.

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"no one KNOWS if Texas is inferior to TCU or Cincy because the system is so fucking stupid.You can't say that in definitive terms just like whoever said Cincy was clearly better than Texas."

There are certainly some strong arguments to be made regarding expanding the National Championiship game process to include more teams. However, I think that f you expand it to 4 teams then whoever is the 5th best team is going to bitch and bitch, and if you expand it to an 8 team playoff, the 9th best team is going to bitch. So you can never please everyone. And frankly expanding it beyond 4 teams would be problematic for a number of reasons. In the end, I think the best 2 teams in the country are playing for the Title so I don't have a problem with how it worked out this year.

12/7/2009 2:39:43 PM

The national championship game was already played this past weekend.

12/7/2009 2:42:35 PM

^.

12/7/2009 2:43:13 PM

I don't care about any of the rest of that shit and I don't have a good alternative right now, but any system that allows a team to go undefeated all year long, including the postseason, and not be considered a champion is fucked up.

Cincy could win every game, including the postseason game, and still not even have a claim to the championship...and that shit is wrong.

Imagine that shit in basketball or baseball....

12/7/2009 2:46:10 PM

A&M lost to 3-9 Colorado. Nebraska lost to Iowa State. Again, the argument isn't as black and white as you're making it. All I'm saying is I don't think Texas' body of work is definitively better than TCU and/or Cincy... the computers agree even though some people think the computers are garbage.

I personally think the computers should be a component... especially considering 1/3 of the BCS is a bunch of coaches like Butch Davis and Greg Schiano who coach one game a week and watch Sportscenter for highlights.

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM. Reason : x]

12/7/2009 2:46:40 PM

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"A&M lost to 3-9 Colorado. Nebraska lost to Iowa State"

We could debate the merits of each team's schedule all day (for instance, Cincy almost lost to a shitty UCONN team, and Nebraska won 9 games so calling them shitty is stupid). But in the end I think the Big 12 is a much better conference than the Big East, which is why I think the winner of the Big 12 should go to the title game.

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"All I'm saying is I don't think Texas' body of work is definitively better than TCU and/or Cincy"

It's definitely debatable whether Cincy or Texas should be in the title game, but you can't tell me TCU's body of work is on part with either. The best team they beat all year is Clemson, I know BYU is ranked and everything but come on, they got killed by a shitty FSU team at home.

12/7/2009 3:08:43 PM

^what's not debatable is conference strength. And the Big 12 didn't have it this year. So tell me another

12/7/2009 3:17:33 PM

Why you gotta hate on UConn, damn it? 5 losses by a combined 15 points and a 7-5 record despite their #1 corner being murdered midway through the season. Decent team at least and they beat Baylor BEFORE they lost Griffin pretty easily on the road.

But I agree with you about TCU actually unlike most people on here.

As far as the conferences, 5 of the 6 of the BCS computers had the Big East 3rd ranked and the other one had them 4th ranked. Big XII was 4th, 5th or 6th in the six rankings.

Now, I fully admit I HATE relying as heavily on the computers as I am in this argument, but in my opinion the Big XII didn't even really pass the eye test this year as being definitively better than the Big East. Last year it was phenomenal, but there was a major regression in OU, Kansas, Mizzou, Baylor after their QB got hurt, Texas Tech and Okla State after they lost Dez Bryant. Only Texas performed as well as people thought they would. It simply wasn't a very good conference this year.

And this argument about the respective teams conferences and schedules is EXACTLY why the fucking BCS sucks! But it is what it is.

** and I didn't call the Huskers shitty but it's just as stupid to call Pitt shitty for losing to us considering they had 9 wins as well... Nebraska lost a stinker to Iowa State and Pitt lost a stinker to NCSU. Same difference. Pitt's only other two losses were to two Top 16 teams.

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 3:20 PM. Reason : x]

12/7/2009 3:18:26 PM

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"You must be an Ohio State Fan"

dont kid yourselves, ohio state would actually earn their way to the finals and then maybeget their butts kicked

they arent patsies, folks

12/7/2009 4:52:06 PM

No they wouldn't earn their way to the finals. They'd get waxed by the first SEC team they played. They play in a bad conference and don't even have a conference title game.

12/7/2009 5:12:01 PM