So, instead of whining like vaginas as usual and just blathering "FIX IT!", lets discuss possible hires. A few points:

- It is highly unlikely that we (or most programs) will be able to hire a big name at a big school and 1) get the results we want and 2) get good value for the coach. For example, Rick Barnes is a coach who we didn't get, is very expensive, and hasn't really had as much post season success as he should have.

- The most common way schools get good coaches is by getting guys who overachieved at lower levels

- Because recruiting is not such a factor at lower levels, you gotta draw a distinction between coaches who will be able to recruit nba-level talent and coaches who can't. This also helps with hitting the ground running and not losing a bunch of talent in the transition. Ability to recruit is the most important thing in a coach. For example, you want to avoid a guy like John Beilein who might be a good xos guy, but who can't bring in the talent.

Bruce Pearl is the example the kind of person you want to get. Consistent overachiever, teams pass the eye test for being good bball teams.

So, who you got?

** And for the sake of avoiding a lot of chicken shit comments, assume that Lee Fowler is gone **


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2/13/2010 10:41:57 PM

it MUST be some kind of mid major up and comer

2/13/2010 10:44:12 PM

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2/13/2010 10:51:01 PM

2/13/2010 10:53:12 PM

this thread is fucking pointless

Sid is not going anywhere

2/13/2010 11:06:08 PM

This is for if he doesnt make the ncaas next year. Way to have an emotional reaction, though. I realize that some people just need to emote

2/13/2010 11:09:11 PM

Quote :

"Sid is not going anywhere"

last place is lonely

2/13/2010 11:10:30 PM

^

Quote :

"I realize that some people just need to emote"

2/13/2010 11:13:48 PM

why don't you make the fucking thread next march then?

2/13/2010 11:13:52 PM

I'd throw the bank at Mick Cronin if I were A.D.

- 9 years of assistant coaching under Huggins and Pitino
- almost 7 years of head coaching experience
- only 38 years old
- great recruiter

2/13/2010 11:16:27 PM

Brad Stevens 79-14 (47-5)
-3rd youngest coach with 30 win season
-4th coach to reach 50 wins in first 56 games


Dave Rose 117-35 (56-13)
-would definitely be awkward for both parties

2/14/2010 12:24:31 AM

this is a stupid thread. and i'm not just "emoting."

i'm talking about this:

Quote :

"** And for the sake of avoiding a lot of chicken shit comments, assume that Lee Fowler is gone **"

2/14/2010 12:33:59 AM

youre a stupid thread

2/14/2010 12:36:00 AM

Just listing some names pulled out of this thread: http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/19242183/0/0/19244952

A lot of these are from major conference schools, so obviously questionable if we can get them (depends on the AD!)

Josh Pastner - memphis
Matt Painter - purdue
Mike Rice - robert morris
Travis Ford - ok st
Mike anderson - missouri
Frank Martin - K state
Tony Barbee - utep

here are some more (a year out of date):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/16195-coaching-carousel-up-and-coming-college-basketball-coaches

sean miller

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2/14/2010 12:51:24 AM

If Sid isn't our guy I want Mike Anderson.

2/14/2010 1:04:07 AM

we can't get those guys. Why would they leave their current situations and similar schools?

2/14/2010 1:31:29 AM

enjoy your internet game of make em up

2/14/2010 1:40:48 AM

I pick John Calipari or Bobby Bowden or Peter Laviolette.

2/14/2010 1:42:42 AM

i like the idea of sean miller, and i think he would have a vested interest in coming, but i think he's in his spot now.

also, i am in full support of lowe right now, and i hope that things turn around. i do think that a little more maturity from the team will help next year, along with several solid recruits. on the other hand, that's the same sentiment i've had about our sports for years.

2/14/2010 1:46:28 AM

GORDON FUCKING BOMBAY

2/14/2010 1:46:36 AM

nothing is going to fix the xs and os.

2/14/2010 1:48:45 AM

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2/14/2010 1:48:50 AM

I don't think Sean Miller has any interest in coaching at NC State again.

I don't think he would leave Arizona without a ridiculous sum of money thrown at him (assuming he isn't thrown out)

Quote :

"nothing is going to fix the xs and os."

what the fuck is that supposed to mean? is this like the lakers not being good?

2/14/2010 1:49:31 AM

wait wait wait, why did we pass up these guys before for sid?

2/14/2010 2:02:30 AM

Gordon Bombay sounds like a winner.

GenghisJohn wins the hell out of this thread.

2/14/2010 2:02:40 AM

if you can't take this team and finish 11th then you can't finish 1st with a good team.

2/14/2010 2:03:31 AM

I think we could win with Zordan or Jason David Frank as head coach.

2/14/2010 2:06:11 AM

the same people i wanted to hire four years ago

billy gillespie and gary marshall

[/end fucking thread]

with that said i still support lowe and HOPE he can pull it through

2/14/2010 2:09:18 AM

^^^^^ On points of feasibility, it really doesn't matter what you or any of us think. People were saying sean miller wouldn't leave xavier for anything other than pitt, his "dream job."

No one knows fuck all until they actually talk to the guy. It's like any other job -- people have any number of things that might entice them to go somewhere else, and it's the job of recruiters (the AD) to find out what they want and how to make it happen.

The worst thing you could do would be the chicken shit who is too afraid to ask the hot girl out, thereby making the probability of getting her zero.

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^ Gillispie still looks good, I suppose, even after getting canned by UK. Just gotta cut down on the DUIs. Definitely gonna take someone with balls to get him hired, here

Greg Marshall

[Edited on February 14, 2010 at 2:18 AM. Reason : .]

2/14/2010 2:13:21 AM

GREGG Marshall??

2/14/2010 2:22:35 AM

ah yea I've been talking about billy gillespie with my friend for a couple of yrs now but I thought people around these parts had totally forgotten about him, if the guy gets himself back on track he could be a great hire

2/14/2010 2:28:06 AM

anyone who wants to hire billy gillespie right now needs to re-evaluate that. He needs to get his shit together and people only change so much...

2/14/2010 3:06:48 AM

2/14/2010 3:39:13 AM

Would you rather take your chances with Sidney Lowe or have Lee Fowler handle another coaching search?

2/14/2010 8:56:28 AM

Until Lee Fowler leaves, we will be having this same discussion every 4-8 years no matter who the coach is

2/14/2010 9:32:39 AM

I concur about Gordon Bombay. If we running the flying V the ACC wont know what him em. PLUS we could be the Ducks they fucking fly together. I am envisioning perfection

2/14/2010 9:47:40 AM

lol at Sean Miller. No way he comes here. Especially after the way some of you assholes treated his former boss.

2/14/2010 10:06:52 AM

He's got head coaching experience, too... with Cary Academy.

*** If there is ONE coach in the country that I know we can't get but want it would be Jay Wright. He's a snappy dresser.

2/14/2010 10:58:03 AM

i heard rick barnes loves state and would jump at the opportunity to coach here!

2/14/2010 10:59:26 AM

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2/14/2010 11:00:45 AM

you assholes

2/14/2010 11:01:20 AM

This is actually humorous. We're actually in the EXACT situation we had in 2006... minus the actual having competitive teams and playing in the postseason.

2/14/2010 11:02:07 AM

This is actually humorous. We're actually in the EXACT situation we had in 2006... minus the actual having competitive teams and playing in the postseason. 1996

2/14/2010 11:10:31 AM

He will get another year with those freshman coming in....but look at UNC with all those freshman.......Herb had a life long contract, Sid probably does also....

2/14/2010 11:18:15 AM

Les Robinson turned down a contract extension to coach until 1999.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/149241/

That story reads like it's hot off the press, don't it?

2/14/2010 11:36:18 AM

MIKE ANDERSON FTW!!!!!!!!!!

2/14/2010 11:37:55 AM

We should probably keep Sidney for one more year to see how things work out when we finally have a real back court

2/14/2010 11:42:36 AM

^ I understand that we should, and i keep telling myself that, but damn, the more and more games we play the harder it gets. The best thing that can happen is for this season to end quickly.

2/14/2010 11:44:07 AM

^^

haha, I posted that to my FB profile. hilarity will ensue.

2/14/2010 11:45:14 AM

We need somebody who has vast knowledge of all aspects of the college game. Somebody like boozie. Then he could hire the likes of beergolftile, fattony, and don oboybeeebe as assistants. Now that's a staff that would be sure to get it done.

2/14/2010 11:53:25 AM