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"Cartoonist overwhelmed by response to "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" By JAMIE GRISWOLD MyNorthwest.com After a Seattle artist's cartoon went viral, she says she's not going with it. Molly Norris drew up a sketch declaring May 20th "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" after Comedy Central cut a portion of a South Park episode following a death threat from a radical Muslim group. Norris explained her motivation on an appearance on KIRO Radio's Dave Ross show. "As a cartoonist I just felt so much passion about what had happened I wanted to kind of counter Comedy Central's message they sent about feeling afraid." Producers of South Park had announced Thursday that Comedy Central removed a speech about intimidation and fear from their show after a radical Muslim group warned that they could be killed for insulting the Prophet Muhammad. The group said it wasn't threatening South Park producers Trey Parker and Matt Stone, but it included a gruesome picture of Theo Van Gogh, a Dutch filmmaker killed by a Muslim extremist in 2004, and said the producers could meet the same fate. The website posted the addresses of Comedy Central's New York office and the California production studio where South Park is made. The momentum drawn from Norris' cartoon was more than the artist had anticipated and by Sunday Norris had posted the following message on her website: "I am NOT involved in "Everybody Draw Mohammd Day!" I made a cartoon that went viral and I am not going with it. Many other folks have used my cartoon to start sites, etc. Please go to them as I am a private person who draws stuff" On her website Norris originally explained the campaign was not meant to disrespect any religion, but rather meant to protect people's right to express themselves. In her present post Norris directs those interested in submitting drawings to the other sites who've taken up the campaign. "

4/25/2010 7:42:21 PM

While we have the first amendment right to draw Mohammed, isn't it just rude to do something just out of spite?

Yes, it's totally wrong that people are getting death threats if they draw Mohammed, but if you know that doing something will really offend someone but you still do it to mock them does it make it right?

I mean I dunno, I just kinda think that people should just respect each other.

[Edited on April 25, 2010 at 7:57 PM. Reason : ]

4/25/2010 7:56:55 PM

it seems perfectly reasonable to me. if people are going to offer death threats over drawing Mohammed, that chills free speech. it has to have a response.

4/25/2010 7:59:20 PM

Bottom line: Don't fuck with Matt and Trey.

4/25/2010 8:01:03 PM

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"if you know that doing something will really offend someone but you still do it to mock them does it make it right?"

It does if they deserve to be mocked.

People should respect one another, but disrespect can be rightfully earned. Respecting everyone unconditionally is foolish and lowers our collective standards for behavior.

4/25/2010 8:02:00 PM

^^You're not making the fatal distinction between tolerating someone and accommodating them.

You can respect the radical Muslim ideology all you want.

4/25/2010 8:02:48 PM

If people get their panties in a wad over freedom of speech being taken too far, it makes me want to rub it in their face that much more.

4/25/2010 8:03:50 PM

Yeah...I mean like I think it's totally lame and stupid and horrible that people are getting death threats over drawing mohammed.

While this does not in anyway justify the death threats, South Park was doing it to mock them. And yes, I know South Park mocks everyone, it's what they do. I find the shows funny, I don't let things they do offend me.

But I just think that while we have the first amendment right to free speech and all that other great stuff, doesn't mean that we should just go off and say anything or draw anything. I mean there is something called respect out there.

I dunno, this isn't so much a side of the creators of south park deserve it, it's not at all that, but I think it's just the public in general. We take for granted the fact that we have freedom on speech, and while that will never be taken away from us as long as our constitution is in place there should still be a level of self policing. There should be a point in which the general public says "okay you know, you have the right to do that, but do you really need to do it?"

4/25/2010 8:05:48 PM

The worst part is that Matt and Trey were already compromising (albeit somewhat backhandedly). They didn't draw Mohammad, they hid him in a bear suit. And for the most part the characters on the show were nice to him.

4/25/2010 8:05:57 PM

^^ But it was okay when they did it all those other times, right?

[Edited on April 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM. Reason : .]

4/25/2010 8:06:44 PM

The RevolutionMuslim.com group is based in New York. It is vastly hypocritical to abuse their basic right to free speech to say that we can't use ours. Jon Stewart had a great rant about this.

4/25/2010 8:08:25 PM

Well, honestly, I'm not really talking about south park. I'm more talking along the lines of just be respectful. If you know that a certain action you do is disrespectful and would offend someone, but you do it to mock that person, I just think it's wrong.
I mean I'm not saying you don't have every right to do it, because you do, and I think it's great that we have the right to express anything we want to.
I just think there is a point of time that your human side should step in and say, while it might be funny to me and a lot of other people, is it really the best choice to do the most disrespectful thing to this group of people that they could possibly think of?

4/25/2010 8:11:02 PM

If we don't terrorize people, then the terrorists win.

4/25/2010 8:12:45 PM

People lose their right of receiving respectfulness when they do not extend the same courtesy to others.

4/25/2010 8:13:31 PM

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"there should still be a level of self policing. There should be a point in which the general public says "okay you know, you have the right to do that, but do you really need to do it?""

I'm firmly in the camp that believes that humor can potentially be an artistic medium (while South Park, on the whole, isn't really art, it does contain elements of art at times), and in my opinion, trying to compromise legitimate artistic expression for such petty reasons is infinitely more disrespectful and offensive than any statement the expression itself could make.

If we need any sort of self-policing, it is the kind which says "this statement/image/show doesn't hurt me in any way, so I'm going to just shrug and move on".

[Edited on April 25, 2010 at 8:16 PM. Reason : .]

4/25/2010 8:15:14 PM

^^But you are letting one group of people lose the respect that the rest of the people should.

I mean if 20 NC State students do something like blow up a building on UNC's campus and say "we did it because that is what students should be doing instead of just hoping for a national championship" do you think that the rest of the students at NC State who don't agree with what those 20 students and would never dream of doing what those 20 students did should be mocked and disrespected?

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"If we need any sort of self-policing, it is the kind which says "this statement/image/show doesn't hurt me in any way, so I'm going to just shrug and move on"."

I agree with that. I mean people should be able to just brush things off, that's a part of life, people are going to say things that offend us and hurt our feelings but we move on.

I just think the self policing should go both ways.

We shouldn't feel like we have to walk on egg shells and try not to offend anyone, but we shouldn't say it's also okay for you to try to offend someone.

[Edited on April 25, 2010 at 8:19 PM. Reason : ]

4/25/2010 8:15:52 PM

^ that's a criminal offense, and has nothing to do with free speech.

4/25/2010 8:20:01 PM

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"I mean if 20 NC State students do something like blow up a building on UNC's campus and say "we did it because that is what students should be doing instead of just hoping for a national championship" do you think that the rest of the students at NC State who don't agree with what those 20 students and would never dream of doing what those 20 students did should be mocked and disrespected?"

what?

4/25/2010 8:22:33 PM

Srsly, there are laws against blowing up state property. That was a terrible example.

4/25/2010 8:25:01 PM

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"while that will never be taken away from us as long as our constitution is in place there should still be a level of self policing. There should be a point in which the general public says "okay you know, you have the right to do that, but do you really need to do it?""

Outbursts like "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" and all the filthy images that are resulting are actually that very type of social policing to which you refer! It is the general public saying, "okay you know, you have the right to insinuate death threats, but do you really need to? here's a shit-storm in response mmmk"

chew on that for a while, and consider whether or not you deserve the freedom you're too polite to use.

4/25/2010 8:28:22 PM

No what I'm saying is, drawing Mohammad is disrespectful to all Muslims, not just the radical Muslims. The radical Muslims are the ones that are doing the acts of terror and making the death threats.

So, is it okay to mock all NC State students for a few radical and crazy students who think that it's okay to do an act of "terror" to the UNC campus?

I guess I have a different philosophy on life than some of y'all do. Which is fine, I mean to each his own. You don't have to agree with what I'm saying.

^technically they don't have the right to make a death threat. Death threats are not protected by the first amendment.

[Edited on April 25, 2010 at 8:33 PM. Reason : ]

4/25/2010 8:28:27 PM

fuck Muslims; they don't deserve respect.

[Edited on April 25, 2010 at 8:36 PM. Reason : you're talking about a show that mocks Jesus relentlessly. They should do the same to Mohammed]

4/25/2010 8:35:43 PM

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"it seems perfectly reasonable to me. if people are going to offer death threats over drawing Mohammed, that chills free speech. it has to have a response."

4/25/2010 8:38:16 PM

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"No what I'm saying is, drawing Mohammad is disrespectful to all Muslims"

Expanding upon what Solinari said, drawing Mohammad is also this sort of self-policing, in a sense. Drawing Mohammad is not disrespectful at all. It's just a drawing. The "no one anywhere should draw Mohammad regardless of their beliefs" belief of Muslims is silly and unreasonable, and the backlash against it is an attempt to self-enforce some degree of reason and good sense in society. The fact that they have such a rule in the first place is disrespectful to everyone else, so they receive disrespect in kind. In more childish terms: "They started it"

I'm not saying Muslims don't have the right to believe what they do, of course, but with that right comes some degree of social accountability. If what you say is bullshit, then society has every reason to call bullshit on you.

[Edited on April 25, 2010 at 8:43 PM. Reason : .]

4/25/2010 8:41:49 PM

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"No what I'm saying is, drawing Mohammad is disrespectful to all Muslims, not just the radical Muslims."

I don't think the non-radical ones really give a shit

[Edited on April 25, 2010 at 8:46 PM. Reason : kinda like how the non-radical xtians don't care when South Park has Jesus taking his own name vein]

4/25/2010 8:45:17 PM

I mean I don't disagree with what y'all are saying, I think it's shit that a group made a death threat because someone did something that offended them.

4/25/2010 8:53:10 PM

It's their religion to not draw Mohammed, not mine so fuck them. Draw him if you want.



[Edited on April 25, 2010 at 9:05 PM. Reason : tp]

4/25/2010 9:03:07 PM

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"I don't think the non-radical ones really give a shit [Edited on April 25, 2010 at 8:46 PM. Reason : kinda like how the non-radical xtians don't care when South Park has Jesus taking his own name vein]"

Sorry, completely wrong.

I don't care (I was raised Muslim), but that's because I have enough doubts about the religion to begin with. I am in am extremely tiny minority, however.

Normal non-radical Muslim, even ones who don't particularly pray or observe other rituals, give a shit. And a big shit. I have heard professionals (engineers, teachers, etc) saying people who mock the prophet should be punished and/or killed. And these are not radicals, just normal people with families and regular lives.

The official death threats are issued by the radical groups, but what do you see in the streets of poor Muslim countries when cartoons are made? Normal people rampaging through streets, destroying property, burning down McDs, BKs, chanting death threats to the cartoonists and to their respective countries (and to Israel for good measure), etc. Those are not radicals in their daily lives, they are just common people. But they get so enraged because of their [mostly] blind love and faith, that they go insane. OK, it is only the poor uneducated ones who do it, so the poverty and illiteracy compounds it many-fold, but as I said, even professionals feel the same way, but from comfort of their homes.

'Tis strange for y'all, I know. Believe me, I find it strange too.

4/25/2010 9:20:25 PM

Well sure, I mean we're talking about the "religion of peace" so it makes sense that mainstream adherents to that faith would advocate murder of infidels who violate some obscure requirement.

4/25/2010 9:27:21 PM

Islam as a whole deserves to be mocked, even the non-radical parts. The fact that anyone gives the religion any credence at all is why it continues to exist. The promise of a glorious afterlife has bad side effects. Let's stop pretending that Muslim terrorists are taking it too far. They're doing exactly what their holy book tells them to do.

4/26/2010 12:08:12 AM

fuck it i don't wanna be trolled

I'm astraladvent and I approved this message.

[Edited on April 26, 2010 at 12:17 AM. Reason : ]

4/26/2010 12:15:36 AM

"the ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr"

in Section 39:9 of what religious text is that in?


yeah... but that along with many other teachings are ignored the same way most Christians ignore Christ's teachings -- they would call Christ a socialist and a hippe.

people enjoy being facist neanderthals, and time and time again, have to be put in their place.

4/26/2010 12:31:50 AM

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"It's their religion to not draw Mohammed, not mine so fuck them. Draw him if you want."

precisely, maybe we should go around sending death threats to people who take the lords name in vain too

the idiocy in this thread makes my head hurt

4/26/2010 12:58:13 AM

mohammed damn it just dont sound right

4/26/2010 12:58:56 AM

Too many syllables.

MO' DAMN IT.

4/26/2010 2:08:54 AM

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"In 1999, Islamic art expert Wijdan Ali wrote a scholarly overview of the Muslim tradition of depicting Mohammed. In that essay, Ali demonstrates that the prohibition against depicting Mohammed did not arise until as late as the 16th or 17th century, despite the media's recent false claims that it has always been forbidden for Muslims to draw Mohammed. Until comparatively recently in Islamic history, it was perfectly common to show Mohammed, either in full (as revealed on this page), or with his face hidden (as shown on the next page). Even after the 17th century, up to modern times, Islamic depictions of Mohammed (especially in Shi'ite areas) continued to be produced. "

http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/islamic_mo_full/

4/26/2010 6:41:03 AM

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"saying people who mock the prophet should be punished and/or killed. And these are not radicals,"

I'll just agree to disagree with your definition of radical then

4/26/2010 7:04:15 AM

I know I can't be the only person who thinks that doing something that will cause problems and for the primary reason to mock a group of people is stupid.

I mean yeah we have every right to do it, but it doesn't mean we should do it.

4/26/2010 9:43:12 AM

Certain aspects of culture and society absolutely must be mocked

4/26/2010 9:45:32 AM

^^ Look, nobody else has to follow your religious customs. You can't go around getting pissed at people, let alone threatening people's lives, because they don't follow your religious customs. You can fucking deal with it. You have unfounded, unjustifiable beliefs and nobody else has any obligation to take them seriously or to refrain from mocking you.



I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU:

WHAT DOES MOHAMMED EVEN FUCKING LOOK LIKE?!

Watch this video and tell me your thoughts.

4/26/2010 9:45:58 AM

If the only reason to do something is to be offensive, that's pretty fucking stupid.

4/26/2010 9:52:18 AM

4/26/2010 9:53:39 AM

WHAT DOES MUHAMMED LOOK LIKE?


DOES HE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?


Then why you try to fuck him like a bitch?

4/26/2010 9:53:57 AM

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"I know I can't be the only person who thinks that doing something that will cause problems and for the primary reason to mock a group of people is stupid. I mean yeah we have every right to do it, but it doesn't mean we should do it."

It is certainly a pretty childish form of retaliation.



[Edited on April 26, 2010 at 10:02 AM. Reason : [just for the record, I still find it hilarious]]

4/26/2010 9:55:47 AM

Haha, fucking pussy.

Of all the people to be angry about "childish retaliation" and mocking someone for no other reason than to be offensive, it's fucking God?

HAH. This site and its users are the kings of being offensive for no other reason than to be offensive. Shut the fuck up with your pansy bullshit.

4/26/2010 9:56:28 AM

I do not disagree with the fact that it is stupid for a religious group to try to censor the media because it goes against their beliefs. I think it is wonderful that in America we have freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, etc.

I would fight for the rights of the media to say GD or Jesus' name in vain. While I don't like hearing those things said, I agree that anyone has the right to say those things.

I think that the extremist group that made a death threat should be arrested and there should be punishment for that because death threats are illegal.

I do not think that everyone drawing a picture of Mohammad and throwing it in everyone other Muslim's face is the right response to take.

From what I understand the reason Muslims don't draw Mohammad is because he said he does not want people to worship his pictures, or statues of him. Which makes sense, things like that can easily be done. You see that with Christians who worship two sticks put together to make a cross.

I can not stand those people who say they are Christians that hold signs that say God Hates Fags. I can only hope that everyone can see those are radical Christians. I don't like when people think I hate gay people because I am a Christian. I don't like it when all Christians as a whole get mocked for what a few people do. That is why I don't think all Muslims should be mocked for what a few people do.

If everyone wants to draw Mohammed, then do it, you have every right to, but send the pictures of him to that group of people to rub it in their faces of freedom of speech.

And that's all I have to say about that.

4/26/2010 10:02:26 AM

Did you watch the video or no son?

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"I can not stand those people who say they are Christians that hold signs that say God Hates Fags. I can only hope that everyone can see those are radical Christians."

"No true Scotsman" fallacy.

4/26/2010 10:03:29 AM

Yeah I did. And that was my thoughts.

I understand what the south park guys were doing. I don't think that comedy central should have to cave in on it.

4/26/2010 10:09:10 AM

, son.

4/26/2010 10:16:47 AM

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-april-22-2010/south-park-death-threats

4/26/2010 10:54:15 AM