http://www.gtr-xs.com/

http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/07/08/dagger-gt-vs-bugatti-veyron-former-300mph/

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 11:59 AM. Reason : ]

7/8/2010 11:54:24 AM

ty for the link bro

7/8/2010 11:55:15 AM

freakin sweet!!

7/8/2010 12:14:55 PM

10 to 1 odds that thing's never even built, lol.

7/8/2010 12:36:31 PM

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"This is certainly a big ask"

7/8/2010 12:50:19 PM

It seems like you can pay yourself a decent salary these days by starting a company with a pretty website, a few CAD drawings, some fluid dynamics calculations, and promises that you're going to build something great. Maybe I should look into this.

I don't like the odds on this one being built either. These guys may be the next danmangt40's of the car industry.

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 12:57 PM. Reason : l]

7/8/2010 12:56:11 PM

So is OEP going to start a "FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY, bye bye Bugatti Veyron!!111" thread when this comes out?

7/8/2010 1:20:12 PM

^ There's already one.

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=536095

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM. Reason : ]

7/8/2010 1:21:43 PM

^^ Yes, if it breaks the Veyron Super Sport's record of 268 mph, but it will be missing the "FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY", unless of course it has several false debuts like the Veyron had.

P.S. The Hennessey Venom GT has a good shot at breaking the Veyron's record... same power as the Veyron, but half the weight!

message_topic.aspx?topic=575506


[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM. Reason : ]

7/8/2010 3:24:21 PM

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"Tires Front 13-inch wide Pirelli P-Zero Nero 325/25ZR20s (for 20" rim) Tires Rear 15-inch wide Pirelli P-Zero Nero 375/20ZR21 (for 21" rim)"

325s at the front is just fucking insane

And these numbers are just crazy.

Weight to horsepower ratio	  1.5:1 (est.) new supercar record
Acceleration 0-60 mph	 	  under 1.5 seconds (calculated)* new supercar record
1/4 mile ET	 	          6.6 seconds @ 204 mph (calculated)* new supercar record
Top Speed	 	          314 mph (calculated)* new supercar record
60-0 mph Braking Distance	  < 100 feet (est)
Fuel Consumption @ 300mph	  4 gallons per minute (approx)
Time to empty @ 300 mph	 	  < 6 minutes (est)
Time b/w milemarkers @ 300+ mph   < 12 seconds (calculated)*
0-100-0	 	                  < 10.0 seconds (est)
Slalom	 	                  > 70 mph (est)
Skidpad	 	                  > 1.05 g (est)
C&D "Lightning Lap" at VIR	  < 2:45.9 (est) new record
0-60-0	 	                  < 4.0 seconds (goal)

7/8/2010 4:21:28 PM

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"It seems like you can pay yourself a decent salary these days by starting a company with a pretty website, a few CAD drawings, some fluid dynamics calculations, and promises that you're going to build something great. Maybe I should look into this. "

Skack, we should get to work on this asap.

7/8/2010 5:13:58 PM

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"I don't like the odds on this one being built either. These guys may be the next danmangt40's of the car industry."

7/8/2010 6:01:59 PM

They actually remind me of Vector.

...whose comeback also probably will not happen.

7/9/2010 8:50:43 AM

bump

1/11/2011 3:46:26 PM

I, too can write stats for a car that will either never be built or will never be street legal.

1/11/2011 3:59:50 PM

back in the day some use was doing design for a car, some small coupe. they posted a few renderings of the progress but i can't remember who it was, or what car, so i have no idea if it ever got built.

1/11/2011 4:30:14 PM

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"TranStar Racing has announced three “Race” packages as follows: •Dagger GT-R will be our road racing package, with a 2000 hp engine, FIA safety package, dynamic, split rear wing, set up to challenge and establish new lap records at Virginia International Raceway and at Nurburgring, Germany. •Dagger GT-LS will be our land-speed package with our 2500 hp engine, 500 mph rated M/T landspeed tires, 1000 pounds of low front-end ballast, full bellypan with twin venturi tunnels, land-speed wheel covers, intake aero plugs, parachute, backup chute, Bonneville rollcage and a range of other options to help our buyers set new landspeed records in excess of 300 mph. Options will include landspeed instrumentation/avionics packages, base radio, windshield options and other possibilities. •Dagger GT-D will be our drag racing package with our 2500 hp engine, Goodyear Pro Stock Slicks, or DOT ET Drag tires, hydraulic-launched double drag chutes, drag wing, NHRA rollcage, drag racing transaxle, a drag racing rear suspension that will emulate a Pro Stock Dragster and enable 205 mph in the quarter mile for our friends who love to drag race. We are also shooting for the 1900 hp Nissan Project Zed car’s 1.2 seconds in the zero-to-sixty mph. We also want to hit 280 mph to set a new Standing Mile record, (76mph faster than the Bugatti Veyron at 204 mph in the Standing Mile.) "

HAHAHAHAHA

1/11/2011 6:29:42 PM

Like i said... i can write down stats all day... making it work is a whole other story.

1/11/2011 7:27:02 PM

Mercedes C99 AMG... coming out next year!

Quad-turbo 9.9 litre V8
1,199 hp
1,499 lb-ft

0-60 mph in 1.99 sec
0-100 mph in 3.99 sec
0-150 mph in 7.99 sec
0-200 mph in 13.99 sec

1/4 mile in 7.99 sec

Top speed 269 mph (to beat Veyron SS's 268 mph!)

And best of all, all the comfort creatures you expect from a MB!!!

1/11/2011 7:53:56 PM

^ have you nothing better to do than post useless, nonsensical numbers thrown around in magazines and web forums?

1/11/2011 9:26:48 PM

^lol. I think he made that up to mess with you.

1/11/2011 10:37:43 PM

^^ yes
^^^ but it will probably be limited to 155, have 255 series tires and traction control that limits the car to 35hp at any speed under 50mph. Did I mention I hate merc and anyone can make their kind of power in the manner that they do if someone si desired.

[Edited on January 11, 2011 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ^]

1/11/2011 10:39:16 PM

http://www.benzinga.com/press-releases/11/01/p753952/transtar-racing-announces-bigger-2700-hp-engine-for-the-300-mph-dagger-

1/12/2011 7:50:09 AM

nonsensical performance numbers ITT

1/12/2011 9:37:03 AM

^^^What's your point? I'm sure any car company could produce the Bugatti Veyron if they wanted to. But they don't so it stands as a technological achievement. Mercedes Benz makes the most powerful naturally aspirated V8 and it's a glorious engine and at least one variation of every model they sell goes fast as hell. And they all have an option to be limited to 186mph.

Whaaaaa

1/12/2011 10:45:31 AM

here's the thing about the veyron: ridiculous costs aside, it's a real car. What's more, it's supposedly even a real vw... you know, a half-plastic thing that can be driven huge distances as a transportation device that can be quiet if you drive it gently and doesn't demand two hands on the wheel when tuning the radio to the station you want.

Sometime in the mid-to-late 90's, after the mclaren f1 had humiliated previous supercars, most major manufacturers with an exotic brand stopped making supercars that totally sucked as cars. 911 turbo goes awd and gets setup for soft understeer rather than lift-throttle oversteer. f355 replaced by 360 modena. F512m was replaced by 550 maranello. c5 replaced c4. Viper GTS gets door locks and real windows and airbags. vector tries to replace the diablo-engined m12 and realizes it's lipstick on a pig and gives up. Lotus launches v8 esprit and original elise and then second gen elise. Mosler replaces the raptor with the mt900. aston martin scales back virages for the db7. Ascari decided to step up their efforts from the fgt / ecosse to the kz1.

Most of these new post-f1 supercars weren't even all that advanced in terms of new ultimate levels of performance. They were simply better vehicles and made that level of performance available more often and with less compromise. And then they managed, in a few cases, to then be significantly faster AND cheaper than every previous "super" car. In a way, it is as though everyone looked at the ridiculous level of detail mclaren had put into it, said, "we still want to build extravagant performance cars, but we can't touch that! how about we dial back in some ride compliance or spend a little more on the interior?"

Essentially, IMO, a high-enough bar of GO had been established, below which was still a hell of a lot of fun, and more importantly, diminishing costs to deliver that amount of GO, meaning more and happier customers for such dreammobiles. Nobody cared that mclaren had found the 'nuff's nuff' ceiling, except for piech, who wasn't happy to essentially just own everything else.

So he said, 'feh, I want a REAL vw that has.... um.... a THOUSAND horsepower! aaaaand..... has the profile of a frog burying its nose in the ground' and the engineers gasped at the task ahead of them, because unlike the guys at transstar, if they have any idea of what they're claiming, they knew that it would take years to figure out what magical combination of a billion tiny variables would need to be determined to achieve such levels of refinement at that level of performance without making a useless mess. So... in my ultimate opinion....

the only place for both short-shrifted execution and high performance is in kit cars, where they're at least, on the supercar scale, super cheap. For the same money of a sweet ffr gtm build, you could get a nearly new cayman. If you'd like gtm performance with cayman build quality, porsche has several options, and with the 918, is about to have another. But where the hell is the spot in the market for a car offering more-than-mclaren, more-than-bugatti performance whose customers will know was conceived and executed with less r&d capacity and budget than an f1 empire and one of the largest automobile manufacturers in the world? Oh, and clearly without a sense of restraint in styling?

It's a non-starter conceptually, not in actual assembly.

The danmobile, which was back in 2004-5 for the geezers who are that hard-up for material, was nowhere near as ambitious. It would have been little more than just a homebuilt variation of any number of chevy-to-porsche-transaxle tube frame + fiberglass kit cars. Its only distinguishing feature compared to most of those were farboud/noble-like footprint and proportions instead of being like 7 feet wide and barely more than 3 feet tall. The only aspirations I ever had of that being more than a single car is if it turned out well, I might have sold plans. We all should know what happened: I decided that my co-op with GE could only lead to a life of earplugs, limited upward mobility, and living in goldsboro or some other miserable "right out side of _(city like raleigh)_" town. So I quit the co-op, wrapped up my degree, and started taking LSAT classes so I might be able to go to law school. And in the meantime, I'd be a patent examiner. So I'd be moving and throwing away my project income from the co-op. Which meant selling off what I'd bought and trying again later, if ever. That's what killed the danmobile. looking out for a higher-paying career before attempting to build a toy. That's what grownups do. I wasnt attempting to do it for a goddamn living. Which is completely different than attempting to offer a series production car in both coupe and convertible with 2500 hp that can do 300 mph. so let it go already. that was 7 years ago.

1/12/2011 8:30:51 PM

Maybe it's late.

Or I'm out of the loop on something.

But I have no clue what that post meant.

1/12/2011 11:12:03 PM

^ everything except the last paragraph probably should have been preceded by an intro paragraph like:

"This is just one more crazy-ass "ultimate numbers" car that has been foisted upon the carblog-reading enthusiasts of the world solely because someone isn't a fan of the way the veyron finally materialized and has a pile of money to throw at making a car which simply one-dimensionally can outperform the veyron's headline-grabbing numbers. But I wish this would just stop. Regardless of Transstar's, or anyone else's, ability to construct the dagger to these specifications, I just can't imagine that it's going to appeal to anyone except one or two billionaires who already have a bugatti veyron and won't drive the Transstar more than twice a year. That's because the difference in performance is academic, even at multiples of the veyron's power to weight ratio, and because the veyron is additionally something else entirely:"

The last paragraph was in reference to how, during my co-op with General Electric as a mechanical engineering student at state in 2004, I started to use the additional money for a homebuilt sports car project, whose brainstorming I did here on TWW, to much flaming. Some people still make fun of me for it, and, in case you haven't read all of the posts in this thread, there were a couple of not-quite explicit references to that. Hundreds of people attempt it every year in our country, and a few succeed. Those who make a good one simplify its construction, add some desirable features (like additional doors, independent suspension, air conditioning, a roof) and then build a successive model, with an eye to someone else building the same car from plans or from existing parts and few bespoke ones, such as a tube-frame chassis. People have forgotten that that's the basis of a kit car company. A good example of ground-up construction of a single bespoke car whose design was appealing enough to be further developed into a product sold as a kit can be found at: http://www.grabercars.com.

1/13/2011 4:30:00 PM

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"let it go already"

lol, pot meet kettle. here's an idea. if you want people to forget about something from 7 years ago, maybe don't post multi paragraph rants in response to jokes made about it 6 months ago? you know how geezers are, don't give them any kind of reminder or reason to get going about the good ol' days. they'll start in at the smallest hint and be telling stories all day.

i could also suggest ceasing the wildly hilarious content of your current day posts on the subject. hell, that's like giving old geezers an open invitation to ramble about the same "back when i was a kid" stuff, plus some fresh new crap about they're 26 grandchildren. i mean, apparently buying a worn out lt1 (an iron headed one at that) and some other useless/worthless junk parts off ebay now constitutes a legit attempt at building a homemade supercar. who knew! we're also now learning that this vehicle's diversion from success and ultimate demise was only a result of things like "life" and "growing up". here we were ASSuming it was a total disaster/failure from the start and only got progressively worse. you really CAN teach an old geezer new trick!


[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 7:53 PM. Reason : surely you've found that new career/well paying job by now, YEARS later. so where is danmobile v2??]

1/14/2011 7:40:16 PM

Everyone makes fun of the LT1.










































As they should

1/14/2011 7:44:41 PM

^^Well, you're definitely right about how long ago the posts were. I didn't check the date of the posts when I posted. Whoops. Oh well.

Someday, bbr, i'll try again. Someday. Maybe with a boxster as a donor.

Looks like your reading comprehension still sucks if you still think 'supercar' was anywhere in my description. I also see that you're still earning your place among the finest minds of engineering and cost management to catch the pitfall of a low budget project: the selection of an unimpressively configured chevy smallblock which didn't need to run at that point in the project which was acquired for the least amount of money and which could be sold off at the same price months later, for zero loss. Why didn't I consult your priceless insight back then? Maybe it could have been saved! Oh, woe... That my project was abandoned in vain. I might have heeded your advice and gotten a loan by putting a kidney up for collateral so that i could buy the correct mill, a Ferrari v12, right? Those don't depreciate, right?

You're a putz. And I don't wish you a nice weekend. Which is saying something, because I wish everyone a nice weekend, even if they're awful.

"ASSumption." Uh huh. Don't choke on your toothbrush when you're thinking up your reply. That would embarrass your family and I'd feel bad to have contributed to an impaired person's horrific accidental death.

1/15/2011 1:35:24 AM