So...when this shit gonna go down? Implications if/when it does go down?




(yea, there are other NK threads, but ya know, its different an shit)

7/24/2010 1:02:05 PM

Any real war with NK would be a war with China. If not outright, then by proxy.

A little shooting conflict might happen and would be essentially meaningless

7/24/2010 1:19:07 PM

Not really.

7/24/2010 3:26:36 PM

Let's say that NK were to make aa agressive military move, while the little US/SK war games are taking place over the next few weeks....do we handle it as a singular event and go back to talking about how to be friends? Or does the darky treat it as an act of war and start a whole mess of shit?

7/24/2010 5:16:33 PM

while I'd prefer our 'boys to be safely at home; these nutjobs need to be taught a lesson.

Hit first, hit hard, instate a democratic government. I'm not convinced China would come to their aid again - their governments are fairly different and ultimately China has a lot of our manufacturing to lose.

7/24/2010 7:01:33 PM

Let's wait to spread democracy until we have more of our army free to do so.

Or, better yet, let's just wait for an uprising.

7/24/2010 11:42:55 PM

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"Hit first, hit hard, instate a democratic government. I'm not convinced China would come to their aid again - their governments are fairly different and ultimately China has a lot of our manufacturing to lose. "

We don't have to instate anything, we let the friends and family in South Korea take over.

7/24/2010 11:48:35 PM

Would the North Korean people be able to hold onto a democratic government? Most everything I've heard about their population compares them to the Dark Ages.

7/25/2010 2:16:50 AM

^I think they would, once they are free from the oppression of Juche

the population only lives like peasants in the Dark Ages because of how poor they are forced to be

7/25/2010 5:23:48 AM

How the fuck did chit chat get unleashed in this thread? There is more inane thought than normal going on

7/25/2010 9:05:46 AM

There is no fucking way democracy would work in North Korea. Are you kidding me?

7/25/2010 11:57:49 AM

As long as it happens after Friday they can have at it

7/25/2010 12:02:11 PM

We don't even know what's happening in NK. I don't know if you could say democracy couldn't work. I think it would take a LONG time for the education standards to catch up with the ROK and, after that and some gradual technology exportation from the ROK to NK, it would support a market economy, but definitely not right away (look what happened to Russia).

7/25/2010 1:35:05 PM

War games wrapped up today.

Nobody did shit.

7/28/2010 7:07:34 PM

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"Any real war with NK would be a war with China. If not outright, then by proxy."

I'd argue that China has a better interest in maintaining peace with the US, S. Korea, Japan, etc; than sticking up for its philosophical buddy N. Korea.

7/28/2010 7:26:19 PM

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"There is no fucking way democracy would work in North Korea. Are you kidding me?"

I don't see why it wouldn't work; I mean the only reason the DPRK went under the totalitarian rule of Kim Il-Sung (later Kim Jong-Il) is that Stalin forced the puppet régime onto the North Koreans (and in the South they're fortunate that the UN and US kept the forces of Communism from conquering them).

also there's this bit of wisdom handed down from the '60s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfhk2WxfV2c

7/29/2010 2:17:11 AM

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"I don't see why it wouldn't work; I mean the only reason the DPRK went under the totalitarian rule of Kim Il-Sung (later Kim Jong-Il) is that Stalin forced the puppet régime onto the North Koreans"

It could work, yes. But if the regime were to collapse right now, it would take a while to get a remotely functional democracy up and running. North Korea presents a special case because its citizens have been denied any knowledge about democracy, capitalism, or the benefits of either for...ever, basically.

7/29/2010 2:32:03 AM

plz read up on the state of the underground economy as of the recent currency re-valuation

they can handle capitalism very well kthx

7/29/2010 6:25:28 AM

i forgot that capitalism = democracy. . . sorry.

7/29/2010 7:40:46 AM

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"A little shooting conflict might happen and would be essentially meaningless"

Seriously?

If North Korea attacks, they'll attack all out. Seoul, Yongsong, Osan etc would suffer amazing high casualties from the chemical laden artillery shells. Millions dead, at least.

7/29/2010 7:44:43 AM

Yeah, hitting the Cheonan with a single torpedo sure does seem "all out" to me.

7/29/2010 8:00:09 AM

Any talk about establishing democracy in North Korea forgets the small, tiny fact that there is already a large, prosperous, and democratic state made up of the same ethnic group right south of them. So there is nothing inherent within Korean civilization that runs against democratic concepts.

That being said, it is going to take some serious work to get there. The best example are the North Korean defectors and refugees that are resettled in the South. Most of them are struggling not just because of the trauma associated with displaced persons but also because the modern, capitalist society is so foreign to them that they have to be taught many things we take for granted: how to operate an ATM, avoiding scams, use cell phones, work the Internet, operating credit cards, and surviving in the business culture.

As for the OP: you'd better pray that war never comes. War on the Korean peninsula will make Iraq and Afghanistan look like kids playing war with sticks.

7/29/2010 9:07:30 AM

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"There is no fucking way democracy would work in North Korea."

I truly think that some countries are not capable of democracy or would not be better off.
Democracy is not as black versus white either.

As long as they are not causing trouble for us, committing grave crimes against humanity, and are beneficial economically to the world community I honestly do not give a fuck what kind of government any country has.

7/29/2010 1:15:03 PM

It is our moral responsibility as the world's only superpower to invade and democratize North Korea.

7/29/2010 1:41:21 PM

It is the moral responsibility as the world's most badass insects for killer bees to invade and demoralize your gaping asshole.

7/29/2010 10:48:18 PM

^^democracy cannot be spread at the point of a gun

7/30/2010 1:31:51 AM

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"We don't even know what's happening in NK. I don't know if you could say democracy couldn't work. I think it would take a LONG time for the education standards to catch up with the ROK and, after that and some gradual technology exportation from the ROK to NK, it would support a market economy, but definitely not right away (look what happened to Russia)."

7/30/2010 9:21:43 PM