I think this deserves its own thread. Gay support groups are rallying against Chick-Fil-A based on comments by Dan Cathy, whose father founded the restuarant chain, that stated how he and his family supported traditional Biblical marriage. This should come as no surprise to anyone that knows about Chick-Fil-A . It's not like the restaurant hides its Christian values.

Now the mayors of Boston and big freaking surprise Chicago are saying that they will not allow Chick-Fil-A to build new restaurants in their cities. Give me a break. The government cannot openly discriminate against a law abiding private company looking to do commerce in their area. Imagine if a Republican mayor decided to try and ban a company from doing business in their city simply because he disagreed with their political or religious views of the owner. The outcry would be deafening.

If you do not like what Dan Cathy said, fine, don't eat at Chick-Fil-A, but for elected officials to start discriminating against a business because the owner/CEO/president expressed his religious views is shocking. Liberals need to take a step back and recognize their own hypocrisy.




[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 9:32 AM. Reason : df]

7/26/2012 9:30:36 AM

Agreed. It doesn't appear that CFA is discriminating against gays via service or employment so the government has no right to deny CFA new franchises. If you disagree with CFA, then don't eat there, protest, etc. I completely disagree with CFA's stance and don't eat there.

7/26/2012 9:49:17 AM

Agreed. I'm eating at CFA every day this week to show my support..

7/26/2012 9:55:09 AM

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"Liberals need to take a step back and recognize their own hypocrisy."

Ha you sound like Rush. Liberal this and liberal that.

THEY'RE THE SOURCE OF ALL THAT IS BAD!!! FUCK THOSE LIBERALS UP THEIR LEFTIST ASSES.

7/26/2012 9:58:18 AM

Ha. Since when does someone need to do something illegal or even wrong to be harassed by the government?

7/26/2012 10:12:48 AM

Chick-Fil-A sucks anyway

7/26/2012 10:14:59 AM

Out of curiosity, if the subject of this changed from Dan Cathy's support of traditional marriage to, let's say, theoretically being sympathetic to the KKK and making donations to that group, would you take as much of an issue with what the mayor did?

7/26/2012 10:20:06 AM

^^

7/26/2012 10:32:48 AM

^^ i'd still not give a shit. CFA is still the cleanest, friendliest, most efficiently ran fast food chain i ever walk into. Also, waffle fries.

7/26/2012 10:38:30 AM

I had a spicy chicken biscuit this morning. It was delicious.

Honestly, if he is doing it with his own money, I don't give a shit. He's not telling the stores to not serves the fags. There is nothing in the restaurants that makes anybody feel uncomfortable, and they have the best customer service of any fast food chain that I frequent. He can support whoever the hell he wants to. Much like if Ben & Jerry's supports gay marriage. I don't agree with it, but I can still enjoy their ice cream. What they do with the profits is their own damn business in my opinion. If you don't want to support them, great, your loss. People can exercise their right of free will to shop where they want to, but I do think its wrong for politicians to use their government position to attempt to deny the company the chance to grow. Let them open and if nobody supports them with their money, then the store will close and they will leave.

[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 10:58 AM. Reason : ]

7/26/2012 10:55:17 AM

^^so you'd still be cool with them if they were donating money to the Muslim Brotherhood?

(i do think that Boston is going too far though. as said, if you don't want your money going to anti-gay causes, just don't eat there. and sure, protest them if you want)

[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ]

7/26/2012 10:55:53 AM

As far as I know, building permits are not signed by the mayor.

7/26/2012 10:56:23 AM

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"Agreed. It doesn't appear that CFA is discriminating against gays via service or employment so the government has no right to deny CFA new franchises. If you disagree with CFA, then don't eat there, protest, etc. I completely disagree with CFA's stance and don't eat there."

These mayors have no right to do what they are doing as long as CFA is not discriminating against gays via services or employment. I hate how both sides now put their own moral conquests above our founding principals. Quit being hypocrites and just push for good old fashioned protesting and boycotts, those will have the same effect without compromising our American values.

7/26/2012 10:58:10 AM

If I were to boycott every business and cut off every person that held views that I find morally objectionable, I'd probably need to move to the country and become a subsistence farmer.

I give them money. They give me what I want, which is food. It's that simple.

7/26/2012 11:21:37 AM

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"Agreed. I'm eating at CFA every day this week to show my support.."

Just clarifying, support of....?

7/26/2012 11:24:41 AM

Their right to build shit in boston and chicago i assume

7/26/2012 11:33:37 AM

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" Muslim Brotherhood"

I'd make sure to add bacon to anything i order for the irony but why not.

7/26/2012 11:45:14 AM

what about if the money was going directly into a fund that would later be used to hire someone to kill your mother?

For everyone speaking in absolutes in this thread: Everyone has a line, just because this particular issue is nowhere near your personal line doesn't mean it's not justifiable to others.

7/26/2012 12:06:15 PM

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"If I were to boycott every business and cut off every person that held views that I find morally objectionable, I'd probably need to move to the country and become a subsistence farmer. "

it's not just about "holding views". it's about taking your money, then giving that money to organizations that use that money to support legislation that you find morally objectionable.

if that money was given to organizations that ran political campaigns for hezbollah or hamas, would it still be about just getting a good chicken sandwich?

7/26/2012 12:07:20 PM

Discriminating against gays is wrong, particularly on the grounds of something that's not even in the Bible.

It's disgusting for a CEO of a reputable company to shamelessly admit he's a bigot.

Chikfila also spends very large sums of money to support organizations with questionable tactics and beliefs.

Not to mention the bashing planned parenthood takes from across the republican political gradient for having a small part of their budget that the courts and legislation has ruled as legal many times.

If it were legal to discriminate against gays, then cfa should have an expectation that the city not ban them (an expectation that conservatives so far don't extend to muslims or pro choice groups).

A city definitely has the power to do this. Governments are an extension of the people.

NCSU too, extending state law, views gays as a protected class, it would be consistent with their polices to give cfa the boot on this basis.

7/26/2012 12:26:50 PM

have they actually been proven to discriminate against gay employees or customers?

7/26/2012 12:47:19 PM

i don't think so, but it's proven that they give money and support to anti-gay organizations

7/26/2012 12:52:51 PM

if the discriminate against gay employees, no one ever told the one in Apex.

7/26/2012 12:52:54 PM

http://matthewpaulturner.net/blog/jon-stewart-on-the-boy-scouts-chick-fil-a-and-the-biblical-definition-of-marriage/


JON STEWART ON THE CHICK-FIL-A, AND THE BIBLICAL DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE

Jump to 2:40

Chik Fil A has been known as a Christian organization for a while. You aren't going to find many gays applying anyway. But it's clear they do support discrimination of gays, although this is still legal in most places right now (but probably not for long).

[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 1:06 PM. Reason : ]

7/26/2012 1:02:17 PM

Just clarifying, support of....?


CFA and the values they represent. Without support, Rahm and the gays will push this nonsense through.

7/26/2012 1:07:57 PM

You mean, their Value Menu?

7/26/2012 1:13:51 PM

^^^Oh noes. Next thing you know Cookout will be labeled as anti-Muslim because they print scripture verses on their cups and don't also have verses from the Qu'ran.

Again, don't care. I will still have my spicy chicken biscuit every morning and continue to be a supporter and leader in the BSA. Oh noes I must hate the gays.

[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 1:15 PM. Reason : ]

7/26/2012 1:15:38 PM

Nighthawk...at what point, and there is one, even for you, would you stop going to CFA due to something other than their food/restaurant quality?

7/26/2012 1:18:14 PM

If they aren't actively discriminating against folks in the restaurant, then there is no issue to me. A lot of company executives support things I don't approve of. I go to movies that have Tom Cruise in them, even though I think it is a cult. I can't tell him what to spend his money on. As long as the company is not actively discriminating, and groups supported are not engaging in criminal activity (firebombing clinics, eco-terrorism, etc.) then I am not bothered one bit.

7/26/2012 1:25:40 PM

Anybody who watches any shows or sports on Fox or FX, or who watches any movies produced by 20th century fox (like avatar and x-men) obviously supports the republican party and has no problem with phone hacking and spying on innocent people.

7/26/2012 1:26:56 PM

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"Out of curiosity, if the subject of this changed from Dan Cathy's support of traditional marriage to, let's say, theoretically being sympathetic to the KKK and making donations to that group, would you take as much of an issue with what the mayor did?"

Absolutely. The very idea that a politician should be able to deny your rights or otherwise interfere with your legal business because your political views differ from his should be an anathema to every American across all the political spectrum. What the mayor is declaring his intent to do is no more correct than a mayor in a republican city denying permits to every business that contributes to the DNC, or any different than all the idiots that wanted NYC to deny the permits to the muslim center built a few blocks from the WTC site. Until it is proven the CFA has actually done something illegal, the government in any form has no business preventing them from conducting business. Thankfully in this country, we haven't yet made it illegal to hold different political views than your mayor.

7/26/2012 1:29:28 PM

actually that last bit is not true. cities have banned other companies for political reasons (ex: walmart)

7/26/2012 1:33:13 PM

^But that is not for the stance of the executives, but rather the kind of business that it would bring to an area. They wanted to support smaller stores and not bring a large retail store to a location (with more traffic, huge footprint, etc.). That is no different than Chapel Hill not having a Wal-Mart or Target nearby. That is really about the type of business or growth you want in a particular area. But saying that KFC is wrong but Church's chicken is okay, that is business discrimination.

7/26/2012 1:41:20 PM

I'm not far from believing that America should ban Wal-mart and other big box, cheapo stores. Talk about job killing, wage lowering, inferior product overload.

7/26/2012 1:42:43 PM

Why do some of yall have such a problem with people standing-up for what they believe in and not giving their money to causes they think are morally wrong?

Those of you that are, I'd hope that you'd have enough moral conviction to not support a company that openly admits to giving money to terrorist or racist or sexist causes.

[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM. Reason : ]

7/26/2012 1:51:48 PM

^^Yea but that is a completely separate issue. Carrboro has no big box stores of any kind. CH has only one "big box store" and that is a Lowe's. But they aren't picking on Walmart or Target specifically. They have just chosen not to pursue that kind of growth in the town limits. Durham is more than willing to have them locate across 40, so they have. I have less of an issue with that because it is simply a zoning/growth decision, not because stupid Mayor Menino (who I hate for various other things prior to this) has decreed that a certain business can't locate in "his" town because he doesn't like them. He has pulled this shit before as he used his office as mayor to block a chain pharmacy from opening up near his friend and political supporters pharmacy.

[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM. Reason : ]

7/26/2012 1:52:00 PM

Very good article posted on this subject from Mother Jones. As long as Chick-Fil-A is obeying anti-discrimination laws regarding hiring and service, there is no reason that governments can block them.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/07/chik-fil-a-homophobes-have-rights-too

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"Menino and Moreno have it wrong. Blocking construction of Chick-fil-a restaurants over Cathy's views is a violation of Cathy's First Amendment rights. Boston and Chicago have no more right to stop construction of Chick-fil-As based on an executive's anti-gay views than New York City would have had the right to block construction of an Islamic community center blocks away from Ground Zero. The government blocking a business from opening based on the owner's political views is a clear threat to everyone's freedom of speech—being unpopular doesn't mean you don't have rights. It's only by protecting the rights of those with whose views we find odius that we can hope to secure them for ourselves."

[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 3:24 PM. Reason : Typo. Can't believe I put down CFA laws. ]

7/26/2012 3:03:55 PM

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"what about if the money was going directly into a fund that would later be used to hire someone to kill your mother?"

I'd get my CFA to go so I can call the police.

7/26/2012 3:11:40 PM

posted this in the CC thread, too perfect to not post in here:

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"Nate Silver ?@fivethirtyeight Will there be a Chick-fil-A inside the ground zero mosque? "

7/26/2012 3:12:57 PM

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"it's not just about "holding views". it's about taking your money, then giving that money to organizations that use that money to support legislation that you find morally objectionable. if that money was given to organizations that ran political campaigns for hezbollah or hamas, would it still be about just getting a good chicken sandwich?"

Literally every single time I purchase anything and have to pay taxes, I'm giving money to an organization that actually enforces legislation that I find abhorrent. I'm sure that when I shop at Wal-Mart or a mom & pop, profits allow for wages to be paid, and the wages are used to pay for some fucked up shit. If you follow the money far enough, it goes into the hands of someone that spends the money in a way that I don't approve of.

7/26/2012 3:18:34 PM

Exactly. What destroyer is doing when he doesn't care what CFA does with its money is called "minding his own business." More people should do it.

7/26/2012 3:22:27 PM

it's things like this that make people become anti-gay. not because they are gay, but because they are being annoying as fuck.

7/26/2012 3:32:13 PM

If the CFA CEO would his own business none of this would be news in the first place...just sayin

7/26/2012 3:32:13 PM

In Defense of Eating at CFA

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/in-defense-of-eating-at-chick-fil-a/260139/

7/26/2012 3:46:54 PM

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"Exactly. What destroyer is doing when he doesn't care what CFA does with its money is called "minding his own business." More people should do it."

haha. so even if the ceo of chic-fil-a was a vocal muslim fundamentalist and didn't try to hide the fact that he sends money directly to the taliban, muslim brotherhood, and hezbollah, lonesnark and destroyer would still "mind their own business" and eat at chic-fil-a, because it's the ceo's choice if he wants to support muslims extremists. and besides, their chicken is delicious!

[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ]

7/26/2012 4:00:39 PM

well we all do that when we pay taxes.

7/26/2012 4:03:10 PM

we don't really have much of a choice about paying taxes now, do we?

we have thousands of choices of where to eat.

7/26/2012 4:09:01 PM

A muslim extremist is a clear cut example...kind of. CFA? Not so much. Sure, they might give a ridiculously tiny amount of money to pro-traditional family ("anti-gay") organizations, but they also give significant amounts to charity. It's a toss up, really. I've never been treated poorly at a CFA, and I've never seen anything except excellent customer service at a CFA, which is more than I can say for most places.

I might disagree with the organizations they're giving money to, but again, the effects are not negative enough to sway me.

7/26/2012 4:23:34 PM

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"it's things like this that make people become anti-gay. not because they are gay, but because they are being annoying as fuck"

thats somewhat my theory on why the amendment 1 wound up passing

we are trying to mind our own businesses but somehow we continue to bear the wrath of certain sects constantly

I mean the guy mentions much more than just homosexuality, but the gay rights supporters ignore the totality of the message and beat you about the head and neck with "ANTI GAY THIS, BIGOT THAT"

Why dont all divorced and remarried peoples boycott as well? Or those that dont have families?



[Edited on July 26, 2012 at 4:33 PM. Reason : d]

7/26/2012 4:29:11 PM

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"I mean the guy mentions much more than just homosexuality, but the gay rights supporters ignore the totality of the message and beat you about the head and neck with "ANTI GAY THIS, BIGOT THAT" "

You can be kind to other people without being a total fucking retard toward homosexuals. In fact, if your charity comes with that kind of baggage keep your charity.

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"Why dont all divorced and remarried peoples boycott as well? Or those that dont have families?"

Because you know that Christians in America don't give two shits about divorce or remarriage because they don't actually read the Bible. Don't act like it's the noble Christians being consistent here.

7/26/2012 4:58:44 PM