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" Kelly said it appeared Perrone chose targets based on the ease with which he could get inside, commit the crime and escape. The attacks all took place near closing time, when the merchants were alone in shops that had no security cameras inside. But it was a police surveillance camera on the street near the scene of the last killing, on Friday, that led police to Perrone."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-brooklyn-shop-killings-20121122,0,1499310.story

So... i predict this will help pave the way for more cameras and drones.

Is this a bad thing? Should technology not be used for law enforcement?

11/22/2012 12:44:44 AM

I live in new York and this doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the nypd gang mentality.

11/22/2012 11:48:28 AM

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"Is this a bad thing? Should technology not be used for law enforcement?"

please install cameras in every room of your house, your car, and your neighborhood streets and give the IP address to the police. If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.

11/23/2012 11:11:00 AM

^ we are talking about public places. don't be thick.

i think cameras should be installed in each and every public place. in fact, it should be possible for authorities to observe every public square inch in the whole country, but especially in areas known for crime and illicit activity.

my hypothesis: if that happened, crime would drastically reduce.

11/23/2012 12:11:44 PM

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"we are talking about public places. don't be thick."

so am I

11/23/2012 12:20:34 PM

The police should monitor every aspect of our lives, since as human beings, we are incapable of acting civilized and within the means of the law without constant police surveillance and supervision.

11/23/2012 12:33:05 PM

These cameras where put up in an area where two very similar murders happened. A third happened and the man was caught by the cameras.

That is called police work.

No need for your crazy 1984 shit.

11/23/2012 12:45:30 PM

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"These cameras where put up in an area where two very similar murders happened. A third happened and the man was caught by the cameras. That is called police work. No need for your crazy 1984 shit."

If the cameras had been there in the first place, the second and third murders wouldn't have happened. WE COULD HAVE SAVED TWO LIVES!

Pre-emptive police work

11/23/2012 1:22:57 PM

^^^ "every aspect"? again, i am talking about public places. and no, it is not to monitor, rather to catch criminals once crimes have been reported. also, don't speak for all of us. who is this "we"? obviously many people can't act within the law, and cause major damage to people and their property. have you ever watched the news?


[Edited on November 23, 2012 at 1:27 PM. Reason : to einstein: rooms inside your house are not public places]

11/23/2012 1:26:45 PM

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"rooms inside your house are not public places"

except...

11/23/2012 1:37:12 PM

We as a society gave police the authority to interrogate, imprison, and shoot people, which comes along with the responsibility to also help and protect people.

Is it fair to give them this mandate, but then subsequently make things more difficult for them?

Would you tell a carpenter to build a house but only use a circular saw and no other type of cutting mechanism?

11/23/2012 3:14:45 PM

I don't see how giving them all the tools necessary to build a house is equivalent to giving them all the tools necessary to put a stop to crime.

It's theoretically possible to stop all crime by putting us each in a padded room in a straight jacket. That's giving them all the tools they need.

What is the limiting factor?

Freedom.


There has to be a line in which not to cross. That line was written into the constitution. That line has been already been crossed. There are no more lines to cross, they are free to do whatever they want. The patriot act pretty much eliminated privacy.

We are no longer a free country compared to other countries on Earth.

11/23/2012 5:10:28 PM

You make a good point about where the line is.

But putting people in padded rooms is not a tool, it's an action.

My rubric thus far is if they could replicate what a tool does with humans, it doesn't cross the line.

You could theoretically have humans sitting on every corner writing down descriptions of everyone they see, so cameras wouldn't be crossing the line.

You could never have humans that can see through walls into someone's house, so X-ray cameras would be crossing the line.

11/23/2012 5:42:21 PM

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"My rubric thus far is if they could replicate what a tool does with humans, it doesn't cross the line. "

I like the old fashion method of going through a long process to get a warrant and if it's important enough, the police will pursue it.
The warrant, of course, is revised by a strict constitutionalist who deems that one person or persons is exploiting their own freedom by infringing on someone else's life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

Simply using cameras in public doesn't bother me as long as they aren't permanent, are used for a specific purpose, and a warrant is issued.

If someone does, by chance, get caught committing a crime on these temporary cameras, my motto is if you can't do the time, don't do the crime

11/23/2012 6:08:43 PM

They were temporary.

The nypd doesn't have enough money to train its officers properly or file police reprts so putting cameras over every square inch of the city is a pipe dream.

11/23/2012 8:57:33 PM

^ I could see this being a good case for a grant to install more of them permanently.

And I could also seeing this being used as reasoning for domestic drone usage at some point.

11/23/2012 9:06:05 PM

Im going to assume you don't live in new York. Every building has a camera on it and you are potentially being watched by someone at all times. This is a reality of living in a city with 8 million people for better or worse.

11/23/2012 9:15:20 PM

I think what was left of GBoy's brain exploded when Obama got re-elected.

11/24/2012 4:54:32 PM

11/24/2012 11:49:54 PM

Honestly, I think the article more makes a case of why businesses should install security cameras. I believe it would not be a civil liberties violation for businesses to install cameras on their own premises to protect their people and property...

11/26/2012 2:00:59 PM