http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/03/03/2722504/dome-mccrory-legislature-getting.html

Quote :

"HB185 would put at the top of the ballot the party of the current governor, followed by the other parties in alphabetical order. But when there are multiple seats up for election – now pay attention – “the names of the candidates of that party shall appear in alphabetical order by party beginning with the letter of the alphabet that the governor’s last name begins with, then returning to the letter A after the letter Z.”"

That article also says that the Pope-Civitas poll finds that the Pope administration/legislature's approval is increasing, even if still under 50%.

This seems like politicians trying to choose their voters, rather than letting voters choose their representatives when taken into consideration with pushing an overly-restrictive and under-funded photo ID bill, threatening to reduce or eliminate early voting and same day registration, and giving up on the promises to put redistricting in the hands of an independent panel.

3/4/2013 11:57:44 AM

agreed. not a good move.

3/4/2013 12:30:49 PM

wat

3/4/2013 1:55:23 PM

Quote :

"the names of the candidates of that party shall appear in alphabetical order by party beginning with the letter of the alphabet that the governor’s last name begins with, then returning to the letter A after the letter Z.”"

So wait, are they doing this because it would put more GOP names at the top? I'm a little confused.

3/4/2013 1:58:15 PM

^This part "HB185 would put at the top of the ballot the party of the current governor, followed by the other parties in alphabetical order" definitely is. That other part seemed a little off.

It smells funny, but I don't know that anyone has taken the time to review all the incumbent's names to see exactly how that would play out, although I suspect those pushing the bill probably know.

3/4/2013 2:19:41 PM

Should just make a law that anyone with last name starting with Mc-Z vote for Republicans and A-Ma vote for democrats

3/4/2013 2:24:59 PM

^^
That must be the reason. Otherwise it just seems bizarre.

3/4/2013 3:10:04 PM

If the point is that people are going in and voting for the first name on the ballot, we've got bigger problems.

3/4/2013 3:26:04 PM

This is pretty slimy.

"if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

3/4/2013 3:30:59 PM

Quote :

"If the point is that people are going in and voting for the first name on the ballot, we've got bigger problems."

Yep and this is good way for them to take advantage of that bigger problem.

3/4/2013 3:43:46 PM

Should switch to randomized ballots.

3/4/2013 6:35:14 PM

I'd be fine with the elimination of straight party tickets.

Quote :

""if it ain't broke, don't fix it""

I'd avoid this phrase when describing a broken system.

[Edited on March 4, 2013 at 7:06 PM. Reason : ]

3/4/2013 7:02:50 PM

destroy ballots

embrace ANARCHY A SERIOUS IDEA

3/4/2013 7:46:27 PM

Quote :

"If the point is that people are going in and voting for the first name on the ballot, we've got bigger problems."

They are in some parts of Tennessee, I am sure parts of NC are not far behind

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/2012s-worst-candidate-with-mark-clayton-tennessee-democrats-hit-bottom/2012/10/22/77da926e-1b8a-11e2-a146-ccabc9c85c53_story.html

Quote :

" The Democratic nominee for the U.S. Senate in Tennessee has no campaign headquarters, a fundraising drive stuck at $278 and one yard sign. Not one type of yard sign. One sign. And with the election just days away, he has not actually put that sign in a yard. Instead, it resides inside candidate Mark Clayton’s pickup. “VOTE FOR,” the sign says. The rest is hidden by the seats."

Quote :

"In first place was Clayton, with 48,000 votes. He had spent just $65 to get them. But, state Democratic officials said, Clayton had a crucial advantage: The ballot was alphabetical. “Many Democrats in Tennessee knew nothing about any of the candidates in the race, so they voted for the person at the top of the ticket,” the party said in a statement the next day. "

3/4/2013 9:56:37 PM

Democrats should rename their party as the "Qemocats."


Fuck it, why bother? Sounds like NC is trying to give SC a run for it's money these days.

3/4/2013 10:04:03 PM

Oh man I misread. Alphabetical by party, based on the governor's last name? What a ridiculous power grab.

3/4/2013 10:13:36 PM

It's sure to backfire once Governor Aardvark gets into office.

3/4/2013 10:20:06 PM

Quote :

"Sponsors are Republican freshmen Rep. Susan Martin of Wilson..."

Of course, Rep. Martin's a sponsor.



[Edited on March 5, 2013 at 12:22 AM. Reason : alphabetical order by... the letter... that the governor’s last name begins...]

3/5/2013 12:19:05 AM

If NC is gonna insist on using voting machines anyway, it would make sense to have the machines just randomize the order of the names each time.

3/5/2013 8:29:23 AM

^^Actually, shed be at the very end of the list since "Ma" comes before "Mc"...unless they are using that weird version of alphabetizing that puts all of the "Mc" names before the rest of the "M"s.

3/7/2013 10:44:39 PM

Just got an e-mail saying they're starting to move a bill that:

Shortens early voting by a week
Eliminate early voting on Sundays (African American churches are particularly active on Sundays, its the only voting day where in NC African American voters make up almost 50% of the electorate. Given how explicitly race-based redistricting was, trying to eliminate this isn't much of a surprise.)
Eliminate same day registration
Restore partisan judicial elections
Repeals Judicial Public financing (means judges now have to raise money from those bringing cases before them)
Eliminate straight-ticket voting
Change the order of the ballot (to benefit Republicans)
Making it easier to obtain an absentee ballot (Republicans use this more & through fraud isn't a huge issue, it is more prevalent for absentee voting, thus undermining their claims about photo ID being b/c they care about stopping fraud)

College students in particular often use early voting, often use same day registration, and student IDs don't have addresses and if college students have driver licenses they are rarely updating the address when they move to their college town, and every time they change dorms/apartment, so that might hit young voters too.

One of the Pope funded groups already said college were the reason Republicans were doing better in elections and that "balance" needs to be restored to college (as the in the Fox News Fair & Balanced kind of balance), although now it seems like they're just slashing college budgets and maybe eliminating some college campuses in NC to cut off that problem at the source.

I guess whatever it takes to make the electorate older and whiter to get Renee "I hate muslims" Ellmers elected to the Senate right?
http://www.wral.com/ellmers-considers-2014-senate-run/12275119/

[Edited on March 28, 2013 at 1:22 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2013 1:19:49 PM

you really are a conspiracy theorist aren't you? it's not just trolling?

3/28/2013 3:20:52 PM

^^ Link? House/Senate bill numbers? Did your email include source information?

3/28/2013 3:23:24 PM

It's on WRALs site. Some of it at least.

These new bills are ridiculous.

3/28/2013 3:29:15 PM

http://www.wral.com/gop-seeks-to-curb-early-voting/12280309/

What's the rational for these changes? Do they have one, besides "it'll help us win"? There's nothing "conspiratorial" in thinking this is totally shady.

V thanks for the suggstions, but I somehow doubt they'd give an honest answer.

[Edited on March 28, 2013 at 4:12 PM. Reason : ]

3/28/2013 3:58:14 PM

^ Just a suggestion, but you can always pick up the phone and call the primary sponsor or co-sponsors and ask them directly. Or even email them, you'd be surprised at how often legislators respond to a reasonably worded email. Most legislators have an office phone and cell/home phone listed on their NCGA profile page. It helps if you're one of their constituents, but I've found most of them more than willing to discuss issues they're pushing.

3/28/2013 4:06:38 PM

Quote :

""I just think that we will put some balance into the election process," Starnes said."

Quote :

""I think Sundays just should be – some things you just shouldn't do on Sundays, so I am just opposed to voting on Sunday," Starnes said."

Quote :

""We're paying people for two weeks to run those election centers, OK?" he said. "Let's cut it to one week, and we can do the same thing. It's not to disenfranchise anybody.""

Quote :

""They should let all North Carolinians have their constitutional right to vote, unfettered, and stop trying to take it away," said Hall, D-Durham. "Hopefully, the public's going to catch on and understand that people are trying to keep them from voting, and we're going to continue to push the idea with the public that they should be able to vote and elect their leaders."

3/28/2013 5:47:12 PM

I'm assuming we can expect Rep. Starnes to vote against the hunting on Sunday bill.


or is hunting not included in the "things you shouldn't do on sundays"

3/28/2013 7:00:58 PM

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills/Senate/PDF/S666v0.pdf

Quote :

"A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT TO PROHIBIT DEPENDENCY DEDUCTIONS FOR QUALIFYING CHILDREN WHO HAVE REGISTERED TO VOTE AT A DIFFERENT ADDRESS"

Does this mean that your parents who are helping pay for college can't count you as a dependent if you try to vote where you live most of the year? If I'm reading that right, that should help cut back on young people voting... because the electorate isn't old enough already.

4/3/2013 11:07:29 AM

^you know, you really start to dillute the good points you actually make when you blatantly nitpick over completely partisan bullshit. i know you think conservatives are evil and all, but come on...

not to mention the title of this thread is false and misleading, as if the R's are sticking their name on top under any circumstance. if you have forgotten, dems have controlled the governor's office for most of all our lifetimes, and this could just as easily end up playing to their advantage. (and either way, only slightly, as if people change their names at the ballot box over the candidate listings)

4/3/2013 3:46:01 PM

i think it's a pretty apparent attempt to keep college kids from voting, and we know which party the majority of them vote for. do you think there's a different motive?

[Edited on April 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM. Reason : ]

4/3/2013 3:47:42 PM

i was discussing the subject matter and title of the thread. i'm not sure why he chose to post that link when it doesn't seem related to the original thread topic. i do not support the second bill he posted.

but once again, you never cease to amaze me with your incorrect assumptions

[Edited on April 3, 2013 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

4/3/2013 3:55:30 PM

If I made a new thread for every effort to manipulate the vote coming out of Raleigh, that'd be quite a lot of threads. So I've just been adding to this one as new bills come up. Is your concern really about the finer points of posting etiquette though?

4/3/2013 3:57:22 PM

^^your ability to get offended by posts on a message board that aren't even directed at you ceases to amaze me (and please don't pm me over this)

Why don't you counter his specific points if you think he's so wrong and it bothers you so much.

[Edited on April 3, 2013 at 3:58 PM. Reason : ]

4/3/2013 3:58:33 PM

^^no, i stated my issue with you and the subject of this thread, did you bother to read it?

and lol at your suggestion that you dont already make "quite a lot of threads" about the same shit over and over

^i made statement directed at the op until you decided to jump in and derail...my butt, it hurts

[Edited on April 3, 2013 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

4/3/2013 3:59:30 PM

You're the one derailing man. Again, why not address specific bills?

4/3/2013 4:03:55 PM

i was talking about the bill that is the subject of the thread i'm posting in

i don't feel the point i was making is that difficult to understand

the title of the thread implies one thing, the bill means another, and supplanter knows that

please stop trolling

[Edited on April 3, 2013 at 4:08 PM. Reason : is the caret confusing you...i mean what the fuck]

4/3/2013 4:06:33 PM

haha, ok dude.

4/3/2013 4:10:31 PM

Well, maybe now the thread is "GA voter manipulation," or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact Supplanter is overdoing it with the General Assembly threads.

I have no problem whatsoever with what he's talking about, but lets stick these all in one place.

4/3/2013 5:16:02 PM

^ Or at least have a thread dedicated only to bills/resolutions that have only been introduced vs. a separate thread for bills/resolutions that actually make it out of committee and have a chance of becoming actual law.

4/3/2013 5:33:24 PM

"Florida official: Cutting early voting times a mistake"
http://www.wral.com/florida-official-cutting-early-voting-times-was-a-mistake/12300795/

Quote :

"My attempt was not to deny anyone the right to vote. It was just to make the process work efficiently," Starnes said. "I was frankly just surprised that the blacks took it as an attempt to suppress their vote"

4/3/2013 11:07:00 PM

Quote :

"THE BLACKS"

4/3/2013 11:56:40 PM

what a fucking racist.

4/4/2013 12:09:54 AM

Should have said the blaxxorz.

4/4/2013 12:17:25 AM