http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-25-best-neighborhoods-for-young-people-164751910.html

Who peer reviewed this article? Morrisville is the best place in Raleigh they could come up with, what a joke? Perhaps Morrisville is a top 25 for young people if your top priorities in a place to live is:

- A plot of land to put a house to start your baby making.
- Idealize "Friday Nights" out to Chili's
- Work in RTP and a low commute time is your #1 priority in a place to live.

Thoughts? I haven't lived in Raleigh since college but i'd imagine there are a lot better places for Young Professionals to live than a suburb of a suburb.

4/21/2014 3:40:09 PM

I'm not saying I'd kill myself before living in Morrisville, but...


I'd think about it.

4/21/2014 3:46:01 PM

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"With May right around the corner, U.S. college graduates will be migrating to the nation's biggest cities to try to find jobs and apartments and to start life on their own."

and

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"Morrisville is picturesque and filled with parks. It also has a ton of activities for young families and children with community sports and multipurpose fields. 14% of its population is aged 25 to 34, and it has a median rent of $855. The average income is $31,899."

these two statements are at odds with one another

4/21/2014 3:48:34 PM

pretty sure i just read an article recently about how most young professionals are avoiding the suburbs like the plague.

4/21/2014 3:53:07 PM

^^ Every college graduate is eager to buy a house, get married, make babies, and spend their weekends mowing their lawns/planting gardens duh

^ I'd be interested in reading that article if you come up with it.

[Edited on April 21, 2014 at 3:57 PM. Reason : a]

4/21/2014 3:56:58 PM

i thoroughly enjoy morrisville and would prefer to stay there if possible.
all about what you want.

4/21/2014 4:19:12 PM

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"Percentage of the population between 25 and 34 years old Median rent (lower scores better) Median income Percentage of the population with a bachelor’s degree or higher"

That's all they looked at when picking the "best" neighborhood after ranking the metro areas on other factors, so I can see how they landed on Morrisville. Stupid article.

4/21/2014 4:23:21 PM

Rent is cheap in Kansas! Perhaps Topeka should have been voted best place for young professionals.

4/21/2014 5:22:50 PM

Shockhoe Bottom. Wtf. All young professionals want to live in remodeled tobacco barns, high rent and terrible traffic.

4/21/2014 5:55:11 PM

except for days with a major accident on 40, I can get to RTP from downtown just as quickly as from Morrisville

and fuck living in Morrisville, that's for people who give up in life and buy a minivan and shit

4/21/2014 6:02:42 PM

I like how it switches back and forth almost every time from 'average income' to 'median income'. Plus those are so low...

Also my two cents but Third Ward in Charlotte is not a cool place to live. Neither is Speer in Denver...

4/21/2014 6:14:03 PM

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"fuck living in Morrisville, that's for people who give up in life and buy a minivan and shit"

LOL my thoughts exactly...

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"Also my two cents but Third Ward in Charlotte"

Yeah I don't know anyone that lives in 3rd ward. Know some folks in 1st and 4th. I'm hoping they confused 3rd ward with South End..........

Plus there is no way the "median rent" inside of the 277 is 818.... Was this figure from 1990? Or are they extending "third ward" into "Wesley Heights" and the area around Johnson C Smith....

4/21/2014 8:22:10 PM

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"Shockhoe Bottom. Wtf. All young professionals want to live in remodeled tobacco barns, high rent and terrible traffic."

Some people don't mind the traffic and the rent. You can walk to a shit ton of bars, restaurants, and nightclubs. Very convenient to downtown. It's not exactly my thing but I don't think it's a terrible choice (living on the opposite perimeter of downtown, high rent for the space still applies to my neighborhood, and I'm not going anywhere.)

4/21/2014 9:53:09 PM

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"I can get to RTP from downtown just as quickly as from Morrisville "

You must travel from one place to another much differently than other people.

4/21/2014 10:01:12 PM

I have pissed and vomited many times on the lovely streets and sidewalks of Clarendon.

4/21/2014 10:18:29 PM

Is this the one with Greenpoint at #1?


Ok is it. Median rent of $1150? Maybe you will find a shitty studio for that price after you murder the old polish lady living there.

[Edited on April 21, 2014 at 11:15 PM. Reason : Gggggg]

4/21/2014 11:11:44 PM

^^^ not really, it's about 20 min in regular traffic compared to 20 minutes in regular traffic

4/22/2014 12:03:01 AM

Maybe its median rent with roommates

4/22/2014 1:15:03 AM

morrisville is great for young indian people who drive minivans

4/22/2014 7:12:56 AM

^^ ha maybe.

You will pay 1100 if you room with 5 other smelly people working in PR.

4/22/2014 8:08:33 AM

How's the whole Cary annexing Morrisville thing going? Is that still a thing?

4/22/2014 8:49:41 AM

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"Some people don't mind the traffic and the rent. You can walk to a shit ton of bars, restaurants, and nightclubs. Very convenient to downtown. It's not exactly my thing but I don't think it's a terrible choice (living on the opposite perimeter of downtown, high rent for the space still applies to my neighborhood, and I'm not going anywhere.)"

I'm sure some people love it, but to say its a top 25 neighborhood is blasphemy. Yes the bottom has tons of things to do, it also means living in a tiny apartment, in some old remodeled warehouse. The rent is rather high down there, and parking is a nightmare unless your building has a deck. Personally I wouldn't live any where on that list but I grew up in the middle of nowhere and like land and privacy.

4/22/2014 8:50:06 AM

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"Ok is it. Median rent of $1150? Maybe you will find a shitty studio for that price after you murder the old polish lady living there. "

Hahaha, yeah exactly. I'm guessing that Greenpoint has been cleaned up a bit since I worked there in the late 2000s? Maybe a rub off effect from Williamsburg? Because when I worked there it was a dirty shit hole. On more than one occasion I literally saw mothers letting their children take a piss in plain view of everyone on the sidewalks, and I'm not talking about in some dark alley either.

And the G train...ugh what a cesspool.

4/22/2014 9:54:59 AM

Morrisville/Northwest Cary is where you move if:

A) you want an apartment and want to be close to RTP and still in wake county

or

B) you want to be close to RTP, live in Wake County, and money is not a limiting factor in you buying a new/newish home on a postage stamp.

or

C) you just want to be close to RTP, live in Wake County, and nothing else matters to you.

I fall into the third bucket, and found the home I wanted even though I had to pay much more for it than I would have in holly springs or apex. 6 minutes from the front door to the office in busy traffic is worth it though; I HATE being stuck in slow moving traffic.

4/22/2014 9:58:50 AM

It's all about what's most important to an individual

Commuting more than 15 minutes in heavy traffic to work one way is pretty much my idea of hell

[Edited on April 22, 2014 at 10:28 AM. Reason : .]

4/22/2014 10:27:09 AM

yeah my drive home everyday is the same length as when i had my co-op in Raleigh off Exit 280.

The only difference is I'm not in bumper to bumper traffic and the drive is consistent (aka don't have to worry about my 25 minute commute balloning to 45 min due to some numbnuts causing an accident on I40.

No heavy traffic makes the commute 10x more doable.

4/22/2014 10:39:40 AM

I've always been of the mind to "live where you play, not where you work". My commute is 30 minutes door to door 5 days a week. But it's against the heavy traffic flow and I very rarely get caught in stopped traffic. I live in a city where I can basically do everything by foot or bike which is a major plus for me. not having to worry about parking or designated drivers or anything of those issues when I go out at night or want to spend the day in the city or at a park is worth the daily commute to my office.

4/22/2014 10:43:51 AM

^That's a sad mentality to have.

Right now I live 20-30 minutes from work simply because I just moved to Denver and signed a short lease. In Charlotte I lived 2 miles from work and could easily bike or take the bus to work. It was the best thing ever. In July we're moving close to both our respective works and I'm hoping my commute is never more than 5-10 minutes. Time sitting in your car is time wasted. At least be riding a bike or walking or something.

4/22/2014 11:05:57 AM

4/22/2014 11:12:22 AM

how is that a sad mentality to have? If i'm still home by 5:30 every day and then can get to whatever I want to do within a 5 minute walk/ride including parks, bike trails, baseball/football games, bars and restaurants.

If I could work uptown I would, but my job is out of the city. I'd much rather live closer to where i spend my free time than my office.

4/22/2014 11:12:32 AM

I'd rather live somewhere that appeals to me as opposed to somewhere that happens to be close to work and is merely tolerable. No, I dont want a 45 minute drive one way,.but are you going to move every time you chang jobs?

4/22/2014 11:17:38 AM

I'm not really sure what neodata686 was criticizing?

4/22/2014 11:22:57 AM

I don't either. I'd rather live where I play. I work in RTP and while living in Morrisville would be convenient to work, it would basically mean that on weekends I'd be dropping $40+ on cabs to downtown and back and/or sleeping on somebody's couch that lives downtown. Plus, nobody is going to want to come "party" in Morrisville, even if you can walk to Ruckus. Even Brier Creek is a big stretch.

4/22/2014 11:52:00 AM

Yeah that was a little cryptic.

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"I'd much rather live closer to where i spend my free time than my office."

I completely agree with this. I just meant shouldn't everyone want to live close to where they work? So they don't have a long commute? Ideally I'd like to live close to where I work AND live. I know that's not an option for everyone but I know I'm going to be at this office for the foreseeable future so I'm going to move close to it.

-With that being said if my work location was in a location I wouldn't play in I obviously wouldn't want to live close. I guess I'm lucky as in my office is close to a lot of cool stuff and a desirable location in Denver so I can work, live, and play all in the same place.

[Edited on April 22, 2014 at 11:54 AM. Reason : s]

4/22/2014 11:52:59 AM

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"a suburb of a suburb"

4/22/2014 12:13:39 PM

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"I just meant shouldn't everyone want to live close to where they work? So they don't have a long commute? Ideally I'd like to live close to where I work AND live. I know that's not an option for everyone but I know I'm going to be at this office for the foreseeable future so I'm going to move close to it."

Yes but for a lot of people that live in Raleigh it's not an option, since their jobs are in Cary/Morrisville/RTP. Like me. bleh.

4/22/2014 12:20:03 PM

Yeah makes sense.

4/22/2014 12:21:06 PM

I work in the "RTP" of Charlotte which is in the burbs of the north part of town. When I first started my commute was less than 3mi and about 10 min. Living up here blows so I moved just outside of uptown. Would do it again in a heartbeat.

4/22/2014 12:38:57 PM

Yeah when I lived in Charlotte I lived in the Elizabeth/Chantilly/Plaza Midwood area and my commute was like 2-3 miles down 7th. Rarely took over 5 minutes. I would have biked more but I wore a suit every day.

Not I live 8-9 miles from work and bike 1-2 times a week. It's a good 35-40 minute ride one way but there's bike lanes the whole way. July I'll be moving a lot closer to work.

4/22/2014 12:46:40 PM

I work in Brier Creek, and my first reaction when people tell me they live in Morrisville is still, "Where the fuck is that?"

4/22/2014 12:56:49 PM

How long have you been in the area?

Morrisville happens to be the area with the best school ratings and scores in the whole county ... so for parents who care, its a pretty well known location.

As for why it registers for "Young People in the US" ... no clue unless they group young married with young kids into that same bucket.

[Edited on April 22, 2014 at 2:19 PM. Reason : .]

4/22/2014 2:18:53 PM

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"Morrisville happens to be the area with the best school ratings and scores in the whole county"

The title is young people, assuming that means young professionals. People making babies don't count....

If they did the article would be titled "Best Area for Raising a Family." Although I'd argue that if one wasn't money constrained why are the suburbs "better" than living in an affluent urban neighborhood.

[Edited on April 22, 2014 at 3:47 PM. Reason : a]

4/22/2014 3:45:56 PM

Morrisville is part of raleigh the same way Zebulon is part of Raleigh.

Shockhoe bottom is at least an actual neighborhood in Richmond.

All of the others, I have no idea. but Morrisville is a dumb choice for at least that reason alone.

4/22/2014 4:01:31 PM

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"Although I'd argue that if one wasn't money constrained why are the suburbs "better" than living in an affluent urban neighborhood. "

Different strokes for different folks. Some people want a big lot, a more rural setting, and to just be AWAY from the city when they go home. If that's what they want, then a nice suburban neighborhood is probably just the ticket. It's not my preference but I can respect those who do prefer such things.

(Generally not going to be a factor in "best neighborhoods for young people" though so I really have no idea how fucking Morrisville got on there.)

4/22/2014 8:40:20 PM

Well if money wasn't an issue I'd rather be in a big house with a big yard in a nice quiet neighborhood in the city. Not in the suburbs. I don't think I could ever live in the suburbs. I grew up in an urban area and I'd want to raise my kids in an urban environment. I need to be within walking distance of a bunch of cool stuff. Not a Ruby Tuesdays.

4/22/2014 8:42:42 PM

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"I'm sure some people love it, but to say its a top 25 neighborhood is blasphemy. Yes the bottom has tons of things to do, it also means living in a tiny apartment, in some old remodeled warehouse. The rent is rather high down there, and parking is a nightmare unless your building has a deck. Personally I wouldn't live any where on that list but I grew up in the middle of nowhere and like land and privacy. "

Personally I'd say, even within Richmond, the Fan/Museum District and the nicer parts of Church Hill are better even for young professionals because you get lower density, some green space, bars and restaurants that aren't so fratty/clubby/student-y (with the exception of some parts of Main St. near VCU) and still a high measure of walkability. But that's just my own biases talking, I suppose, as I live in the Museum District and have friends in Church Hill.

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"Well if money wasn't an issue I'd rather be in a big house with a big yard in a nice quiet neighborhood in the city. Not in the suburbs. I don't think I could ever live in the suburbs. I grew up in an urban area and I'd want to raise my kids in an urban environment. I need to be within walking distance of a bunch of cool stuff. Not a Ruby Tuesdays."

You're speaking the same language as me, with the exception that I'm willing to put up with a minimal or nonexistent yard. I grew up in a suburban part of a smaller city but now, having experienced walkable near-urban living, I don't think I'd want to go back.

[Edited on April 22, 2014 at 8:45 PM. Reason : z]

4/22/2014 8:43:47 PM

Yeah actually right now my girlfriend and I are looking at 2 bedroom apartments near/in downtown Denver. We'd like a yard because we have a dog but I don't know if that'll happen. Right now I just want to be close to work and in a walkable area.

4/22/2014 8:49:04 PM

3 other lists here

http://www.policymic.com/articles/88171/the-best-town-for-millennials-to-live-in-is

4/22/2014 9:22:28 PM

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"7. Denver, CO"

Woohoo!

Also:

http://denvercofinestrealty.com/denver-real-estate-blog/denver-tops-pew-research-poll-on-places-people-want-to-move

[Edited on April 22, 2014 at 9:30 PM. Reason : s]

4/22/2014 9:29:56 PM

Morrisville is great if you love hyper-growth without the infrastructure to back it up, hourly traffic jams, idiot FOBs who can't drive, a total lack of tree coverage anywhere leading to stifling summer energy bills, shoddily-built overpriced homes packed 6' apart on the tiniest plots of land you could ever imagine, waking up to find out that you now live in Cary, and an overzealous police force with literally nothing better to do than pull people over in their own neighborhoods for going 2 mph over the posted limit.


I lived there for 4 years, and work there now. Fuck Morrisville.

4/22/2014 9:44:44 PM