http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/03/us/illinois-school-district-transgender-ruling/index.html

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"The student who hasn't been publicly identified participates on a girls' sports team"

So it seems that this student is legitimately biologically a male hence:

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"has been required to change and shower separately from her teammates and classmates."

but identifies as a female and is not someone born with an ambiguous sex. Aside from another locker-room/bathroom case; is it really fair that this person participates in women sports? In most sports, like BasketBall, being male presents itself with significant advantages like height/speed/strength. Even though this person identifies as female, they still possess all the physical benefits of being a biological male and would provide a seemingly unfair advantage to their schools team.

Also, let's say that the school district is OK with having a bio male identifying female student dominate the girls sports league. What happens when they student goes to college? Will they be expecting/suing colleges to provide an athletic scholarship for a female sports team. A team that they would never have made if they were playing as a male.

11/3/2015 4:12:02 PM

huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrr

horf horf haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

blurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

simultaneously choking down dicks/vomiting

11/3/2015 4:38:57 PM

JUWANNA MANN

11/3/2015 4:55:07 PM

Its always mind boggling how many people get their panties in a twist over a minority group that makes up a fraction of a percent of our population.

11/3/2015 5:17:00 PM

^ To be fair, panties get twisted in both directions

11/3/2015 5:29:35 PM

True, but on one side its a very small number of people who for them its matter of day to day life.

On the other side are a whole bunch of people who have very little to do with this issue but still oppose transgender accommodations with a fierce vengeance, despite the fact that this is not an issue they're likely to ever have to face.

11/3/2015 5:43:42 PM

they let that dude run in the lympics with springy mechanical legs, so whats the big deal about a twig and berries

11/3/2015 5:48:59 PM

^^ One issue is the rights of an adult guy to dress and "be" a woman if that is how they feel and vice-versa.

The issue gets complicated when we start talking minors in school with a person of the opposite sex sharing the same bathroom or changing room due to "identifying" as that opposite sex.

The issue is even more complicated when the issue evolves into a biological male who identifies as female wants to take part in competitive activities. Activities where they clearly have an advantage based on their biological sex irregardless of what they identify with.

At what point do we draw the line when the accommodation of this special part of the population begins impeding the rights/freedoms of everyone else.

11/3/2015 6:35:02 PM

I think we can stop having to accommodate them when they are no longer treated like outcasts. When the suicide rate drops, when people don't throw a fit over toilet usage and when the reaction to transgender isn't that these are people who are faking it, or sick, or just up and decided to live this way because they'd get a better position on a sports team.

And we are talking about minors here, on both sides. If everyone is all in a tizzy because a highschool kid might be exposed to something icky, but then when it comes to the other highschool kid, the one that is being outcast, no one seems to care that they are a child.

Plus, I'd be more willing to understand the "I am living my life as an outcast in my community because I can letter in varsity volleyball easier than men's basketball" argument if people actually cared about the VAST problem with cheating/doping/manipulation in professional and college athletics.

11/3/2015 6:48:08 PM

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"Its always mind boggling how many people get their panties in a twist over a minority group that makes up a fraction of a percent of our population."

It's always mind boggling how many people think it's ok to potentially disrupt an entire team, or an entire gym class to accommodate a minority group that makes up a fraction of a percent of our population.

I'm sure there are girls and girls' families who don't want this to happen. How many girls do you think this might disturb, having a male in their locker room? Maybe most won't care, but I'm sure there are some that will care.

11/3/2015 6:54:32 PM

^^ Honestly if your argument is that the high school girls should suck-it-up and not get offended by something "icky" then why couldn't we use this logic to reason that a transgender female (one who is biologically a male) should suck-it-up and use the boys bathroom. After all it will just be another penis is the men's room. Why make every female in the women's locker-room uncomfortable to make one person happy.

I don't see why it's made a big deal for one identifying as female but has male parts to just use the men's room.
Are they "offended" or think its "icky" to see penises of males that identify as male? It seems that most of these cases are always from the male identifying female. I don't think (although i have not google searched) I've seen a single court case or news headline with the opposite issue of a bio female identifying male individual feeling like "his" rights are violated by not being allowed to use the mens room.

[Edited on November 3, 2015 at 7:05 PM. Reason : k]

11/3/2015 7:04:08 PM

luckily, for society as a whole, younger generations are more accepting and open-minded than previous generations

they're for damn sure more adept at handling social issues than some of their elders.

11/3/2015 7:10:05 PM

There are Olympic standards for this sort of thing that I think are fine with the exception of combat sports. I don't care if you have fully transitioned and been on hormone therapy for a few years, you should not be able to fight against women, there is a distinct advantage in bone structure and in similar areas that makes a big difference when the goal is to beat the shit out of your opponent.

11/3/2015 7:38:20 PM

well why can't a transgender women be accepting and open-minded that while they free to identify as a woman that it might be best to just use the men's room with their biologically equipped man parts. Thus preventing them from upsetting the rights and sensitivities of those females that may not be comfortable with an individual with a penis in the bathroom.

^ what happens when a OK male Olympic competitor realizes they identify as female and tries to compete in a woman's track and field event. There is a markedly wide gap between even the average male track times versus the top female times. This athlete with their new identify would sweep the golds.

[Edited on November 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM. Reason : a]

11/3/2015 7:48:22 PM

I just don't understand what the problem is here. The school provided facilities for this person to shower, change, etc.

The next episode in this saga is when this dude's parents start suing the school system and the other girls' parents when he gets bullied by the girls who actually belong in their locker room.

11/3/2015 8:06:06 PM

^^ they could if they followed the Olympic guidelines. I don't have them offhand but if you are interested enough you can google for them

11/3/2015 8:10:16 PM

I know a transgender teen that was born a girl but lives as a boy. Has even changed his name. He is also on his high school baseball and football team.

11/3/2015 8:21:28 PM

Me and my mental disorder represent 0.01% of the population, the evil scapegoat of society has victimized me, fortunately liberalism dictates everyone else must act like my mental disorder is infact, something to be celebrated! The 99.99% must now bend over to accommodate the 0.01%.

Now if I want to put on a wig, and beat the shit out of a woman in a cage match, everyone has to call me brave! Also if you disagree you are a bigot.

11/3/2015 8:40:19 PM

so what's it like to be an ignorant robot?

11/3/2015 9:01:14 PM

back in the good old days, the East German female Olympic athletes would just take a lot of steroids and testosterone

11/3/2015 9:16:44 PM

11/3/2015 10:41:11 PM

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/how-bathroom-fears-conquered-transgender-rights-in-houston/414016/

people and their fuckin' weird obsession with bathrooms, man

[Edited on November 3, 2015 at 11:05 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2015 10:55:55 PM

Shit goes both ways. If it's is such a big deal why can't the self identifying female that is a bio male just fucking use the men's room versus stirring the pot and accepting everyone born with a vagina to sick it up.

11/3/2015 11:03:28 PM

Any man out there wanting to be a female knows he's got 15 minutes worth of fame just waiting for him if he can find the right kind of BS discrimination.

[Edited on November 3, 2015 at 11:56 PM. Reason : dsaka]

11/3/2015 11:51:01 PM

BS discrimination is BS discrimination, regardless of sex/race/orientation/etc.

you can't not protect a class in fear of possible BS discrimination

11/4/2015 12:23:57 AM

Honestly I hold the same disdain for gay couples who go to the Evangelical or Southern Baptist Church to have their marriage ceremony. There is a million other venues and plenty of churches that will host a same sex marriage. Yet they will approach these particular venues knowing that they will resist condoning and allowing a same sex marriage on their property. The couple will then scream discrimination threaten to sue and whatever.

Sure the church is backwards, behind the times, bigoted, or whatever by why stir the pot?

For transgender folks if you still have a penis then accept the fact that men's restrooms make it more convenient for your urination. Why stir the pot especially when it comes to schools where you are going to fire up a lot of people, who may otherwise be supportive or neutral on LBGT rights, about having what is perceived as a male in their underage daughters restroom/locker rooms. Plus make a lot of other teenage girls feel uncomfortable.

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 1:12 AM. Reason : K]

11/4/2015 1:12:13 AM

If my daughter was forced to use the same restroom as a person with a penis at her school, i would not be a happy camper, no matter what they "identify" as. Bathroom use should be defined by biological sex. Now if a transgender female (who still has male anatomy) needs accommodations such as using a private single stall bathroom, I would also fully support that.

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 1:36 AM. Reason : ]

11/4/2015 1:34:36 AM

People are also born intersex, y'know.

11/4/2015 1:41:33 AM

Also: unisex bathrooms!

11/4/2015 6:27:28 AM

i dont feel comfortable excreting waste unless there are two unlocked doors between the two locked doors between the opposite sex

11/4/2015 7:32:38 AM

11/4/2015 8:10:23 AM

Everyone should just procreate with everyone so there won't be any more gender identities or sexual orientations.

11/4/2015 9:13:48 AM

bad timing for this. people were finally all warming up to the gays. need at least a year-long breather before we have another social justice issue.

11/4/2015 9:32:00 AM

This is obviously because all soldiers have been stripped of the adjective courageous since Caitlyn Jenner is now the only courageous person. ESPN even said so; they petitioned Webster's to change the definition to "Caitlyn Jenner" and have sued anyone calling a soldier courageous.

11/4/2015 9:41:06 AM

This thread is like flypaper for shitlords, I love it.

11/4/2015 9:44:15 AM

one more thread that should horrify the world that Smath WORKS WITH CHILDREN

11/4/2015 10:13:36 AM

gender division issues are a different thing than sports issues that are divided by biological sex.

the sports issue is only difficult in the cases where a biological sex determination is difficult, it's a totally separate thing than gender issues.

11/4/2015 10:20:10 AM

MY DAUGHTER IS THREATENED BY BABY PENISES

11/4/2015 10:21:57 AM

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"gender division issues are a different thing than sports issues that are divided by biological sex. "

Well that was the original point to this thread. In this particular case it can be deduced that "she" is actually a biological male. While I support one's right to "be" what they want, going beyond the whole bathroom issue, I think it is wrong for a biological male to participate in competitive woman's sports. If they took drugs to suppress Androgen hormones prior to adolescence then perhaps they could have an argument (although I think any parent that lets a child make a gender identity decision is fucked up).

11/4/2015 11:13:32 AM

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"one more thread that should horrify the world that Smath WORKS WITH CHILDREN"

yes, so horrific i don't want my daughter in the same bathroom as biological males, especially while she is young.

11/4/2015 11:20:19 AM

well, if she went to daycare, she probably sat on the little training toilet next to a little boy already. SHE HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPOSED TO PENISES, DADDY!

11/4/2015 11:23:48 AM

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"yes, so horrific i don't want my daughter in the same bathroom as biological males, especially while she is young."

The real crime here is that you're too lazy/bigoted to explain the situation to your child. Heaven forbid your precious little princess be educated and enlightened about other lifestyles.

Besides, why is your daughter creeping around inside the stalls to scope out the other women's reproductive areas anyway?

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 11:36 AM. Reason : Still applies ]

11/4/2015 11:26:32 AM

oh there we go. typical liberal response. throw out terms like "bigot" when someone presents a common sense solution that accommodates everyone.

11/4/2015 11:33:56 AM

how does that accommodate the troubled child again?









Oh, by ostracism and telling them they don't belong anywhere? Then again, that's what most teachers excelled at when I was in school... glad to see the status quo has endured.

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 11:39 AM. Reason : ]

11/4/2015 11:35:42 AM

a girls bathroom doesn't even have urinals, how would your daughter even know if someone had a penis?

11/4/2015 11:36:51 AM

11/4/2015 11:37:18 AM

^^changing for gym class, swimming, sports, etc mostly.

11/4/2015 12:19:32 PM

OMG, HUMANS MAY SEE OTHER HUMANS!

11/4/2015 12:35:43 PM

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"how does that accommodate the troubled child again? Oh, by ostracism and telling them they don't belong anywhere? Then again, that's what most teachers excelled at when I was in school... glad to see the status quo has endured."

by giving them somewhere private to take care of their needs without bringing unwanted (and often hostile) attention towards their condition. this is a common thing for many students in special situations for their benefit.
but people in this thread would rather these people become the center of controversy and use them as a focal point for their outrage.

11/4/2015 12:46:01 PM

Once again...should this situation ever arise (which is statistically unlikely) all it takes is a few minutes of conversation with your child about gender and sexuality, or is this more a matter of you not wanting to educate yourself so you can intelligently explain to your spawn?

I feel like this troubles you far more than it'd trouble your child until you instill your own biases in her.

11/4/2015 12:47:05 PM