I'm literally appalled at watching this guy throw passes. if i was on the opposing team's defensive backfield, i'd love this guy. come on though, do you think this guy is going to take us to glory?

11/19/2016 2:38:04 PM

Hell no

He ain't that good. But do you honestly not remember Harrison Beck, Pete Thomas, Brandon Mitchell?

It's not even close.

11/19/2016 2:47:34 PM

Yah.... you're fucking dumb as balls

11/19/2016 2:50:27 PM

He's bad. The lack of getting a good QB may be one of Doeren's biggest weaknesses.

11/19/2016 2:52:18 PM

He's pretty damn mediocre, but he's better than Mitchell, Thomas, and Beck for sure.

11/19/2016 2:53:07 PM

As if we won anything with 4 NFL Qbs anyways

11/19/2016 2:56:58 PM

^^^ Doeren had Jacoby. It's his own damn fault for not developing him better. QB play isn't great this year, but it's not really our main problem.

[Edited on November 19, 2016 at 2:58 PM. Reason : H]

11/19/2016 2:57:53 PM

Wait we're really arguing that New England Patriot, NFL quarterback Jacoby Brisset was a bad quarterback in college? This is why you fucks get made fun of

11/19/2016 3:01:21 PM

Miami game MVP

11/19/2016 3:01:49 PM

In other news that was literally the worst decision a qb has ever made...

11/19/2016 3:02:45 PM

Quote :

"^^^ Doeren had Jacoby. It's his own damn fault for not developing him better. QB play isn't great this year, but it's not really our main problem. "

Jacoby wasnt a good college QB. He got drafted based on size.

^^^He held on the ball too long and wasn't accurate. He

[Edited on November 19, 2016 at 3:48 PM. Reason : ]

11/19/2016 3:46:38 PM

He wasn't great for us. He was fine. Far from being the #1 problem for us. I'd also argue that the coaches didn't play to his strength.

Jacoby was more than serviceable. Finley is serviceable

^ issues that are easily fixed with coaching.

[Edited on November 19, 2016 at 3:48 PM. Reason : A]


[Edited on November 19, 2016 at 3:49 PM. Reason : A]

11/19/2016 3:47:49 PM

In his two years here he threw for 5300 yards 60% completions and was 43/11 td to int with a 133 qb rating...

11/19/2016 3:50:52 PM

Finley is servicable. For the other team

11/19/2016 3:51:25 PM

just saw a stat on Twitter. our receivers had 112 drops this season.

11/19/2016 3:51:30 PM

Why we keep playing this guy and not giving McClendon a chance to run the show.....another of the million examples that Dave just doesn't get it. I said at the beginning of the year we were in trouble with Finley getting the job. Several of us said he was not that good and all of you sunshiners tried to say he was legit. If we are stuck with this shit for two more years, I am not paying any attention.

11/19/2016 4:01:09 PM

the coaches know more than us and they probably realize its not his fault and more a result of all our wr being out all year

11/19/2016 4:02:19 PM

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"McClendon could be good. Finley will never be any more than tall Daniel Evans."

^Go to Hell seriously. Two of those guys have never played and would not play over Harmon, Samuels, Hines, Cherry, Trowell, Louis. Stop God damn saying it.

[Edited on November 19, 2016 at 4:12 PM. Reason : Seriously crying over like the #7/8 WRs on the team]

11/19/2016 4:08:16 PM

^ this 10x

11/19/2016 4:09:27 PM

Marcus Stone was worse than Jay Davis.

11/19/2016 4:09:34 PM

Quote :

"Why we keep playing this guy and not giving McClendon a chance to run the show"

Small sample size and all, but McLendon has 4 ints on like 30 pass attempts this year. Hardly inspiring confidence or doing much to make me think he's the answer. Again, I put more of this on play calling than QB play. Finley isn't great. He isn't shit either.
^ agreed

[Edited on November 19, 2016 at 4:10 PM. Reason : A]

11/19/2016 4:10:17 PM

McClendon would add a new wrinkle to the offense with his running ability. He didn't really get the chance to start and pad stats against the cupcakes at the beginning of the year. Finley's numbers after first three games have been shit. He's clearly not the answer. Teams can focus on Dayes and take him out.

11/19/2016 4:14:21 PM

^ McClendon doesn't seem to be ready for this level. A few years back Doeren and co said that his skill sets were very similar to Brissett's. The little I have seen of him last year and this year tells me that he hasn't improved much and that's a reflection of the coaching staff.

11/19/2016 4:44:58 PM

Quote :

"McClendon could be good"

No

11/19/2016 5:59:47 PM

Quote :

"In his two years here he threw for 5300 yards 60% completions and was 43/11 td to int with a 133 qb rating..."

Hardly anything stellar about this given that he 26 games to collect those stats and only completed 2 yard passes. These stats get worse when you adjust them for power 5 schools.

He won't be in the NFL long.

11/19/2016 6:04:40 PM

Has anybody mentioned Marcus Stone yet? Lmao

11/19/2016 7:23:37 PM

Marcus stone was a decent tight end atleast

11/19/2016 7:37:36 PM

Quote :

"dumb as balls"

11/19/2016 8:31:10 PM

Quote :

"He's bad. The lack of getting a good QB may be one of Doeren's biggest weaknesses."

He isn't our worst since Davis. He's actually good enough to get us some wins. The problem on offense is receivers need to catch the ball and we need better kickers. We're a few made field goals away from probably having only 1, or 2 losses.

11/19/2016 8:42:16 PM

Half the drops are because he throws a duck or the wr is afraid of getting murdered because the ball takes an hour and a half to get there.

Also the receivers and kickers don't throw dumbass interceptions the red zone. He got bailed out by the Miami guy stepping out on the second one. That was quite possibly the second worst pass I've ever seen.

11/19/2016 10:17:35 PM

Jay Davis is a good comparison. An average to slightly above average QB. We have definitely had way worse, but I don't see us having any great success with Finley.

11/19/2016 11:14:02 PM

Yep -- Jay Davis 2.0. He's not going to win you many games, but he's not awful.

Honestly don't think McLendon will turn into anything special. Our only hope is that Meyers masters the offense in the offseason goes all Lamar Jackson on everyone next year.

11/22/2016 11:12:19 AM

Finley joined the team in August, he's going to get better with another offseason to prepare and work with the OC and his teammates. The guy still has 2 years of eligibility and everyone is already writing him off.

If anything I actually think our QB/WR/TE groups all look really good heading into next season(barring attrition and/or injuries). I'm more concerned about OL and RB(losing Dayes is going to hurt pretty bad given what's behind him) heading into next season though I think we have some promising young guys on the OL.

I do think with our depth at WR for next season you'll see Meyers shift back to QB, but wouldn't shock me if you see a guy like McClendon move on if he doesn't win the starting job. I still don't see Meyers taking the job from Finley unless Meyers drastically improves this offseason(from what I've read at least).

11/22/2016 11:26:21 AM

If we dont have someone that can beat finley for the job next year, we're fucked

11/22/2016 11:33:02 AM

Quote :

" Our only hope is that Meyers masters the offense in the offseason goes all Lamar Jackson on everyone next year."

Well...I'm not holding out hope for Meyers since he's moved to WR. I guess there's still a chance though

Quote :

"If anything I actually think our QB/WR/TE groups all look really good heading into next season(barring attrition and/or injuries). I'm more concerned about OL and RB(losing Dayes is going to hurt pretty bad given what's behind him) heading into next season though I think we have some promising young guys on the OL. "

I do agree about our WR group and we'll be serviceable at worst at QB again next year. But I think between Gallaspy and Nichols (and maybe Frasier will stay healthy and fulfill potential) are gonna be fine at RB

Quote :

"If we dont have someone that can beat finley for the job next year, we're fucked"

you mean the same guys that couldn't beat him out this year?

[Edited on November 22, 2016 at 11:46 AM. Reason : f]

11/22/2016 11:46:00 AM

Finley is a pretty good QB. We're just use to feast (Rivers, Wilson, Glennon) or famine (Stone, Davis, Evans, Beck, Mitchell, Thomas). Finely is definitely not on the feast level...but he's also definitely above the famine level. He's made some pretty good throws this year and overall makes good decisions in the passing game. I think we might have gotten a little too excited after he crushed it against cupcakes...and he's come back down to the mean...but he's still pretty solid. He's also got two more years left.

The QB position should be the least of our worries for the next couple years if Finely stays and continues to improve.

11/22/2016 11:50:50 AM

^thats basically what i said last year about Jacoby when people starting shitting on him. we haven't had many "average" QBs over the last decade and a half.

11/22/2016 12:06:46 PM

Finley is a shitty Daniel Evans.

11/22/2016 12:48:00 PM

My dead grandmother puts more zip on the ball than Evans did. At least Finley can hit a WR on an out pattern without throwing it 20-feet in the air.

Our QBs in the last 15 or so years looks like this:


Rivers/Wilson>>>>Glennon>>>Brisset>Finley>>>>>>>Evans>>Davis>>>>>>Stone>>>>>>>dog shit>>>>>>>>>Beck/Mitchell/Thomas

[Edited on November 22, 2016 at 1:26 PM. Reason : .]

11/22/2016 1:20:07 PM

The Evans/Finley comparisons are fairly accurate IMO. Decision making for both was/is generally ok, although they both have 1-2 WTF throws during a given game. It's the lack of athletic ability of both that really hurts...the arm-strength of both makes Chad Pennington look like John Elway by comparison.

Neither Evans nor Finley should ever be in a position to be a starting QB at an ACC school. The fact that Evans was all the cupboard held when O'Brien took over (other than a true freshman Wilson) is what got Amato fired. The fact that Finley is the best we have right now after 4 years under Doeren ought to lead to the same fate for him.

Doeren apologists could argue that McClendon hasn't developed at the pace he was expected to but ultimately that's on the coach...it's on the coach to accurately evaluate a player's ability and intangibles out of high-school and coach them up from there. Either McClendon didn't have the ability to start with, or we have been unable to help him improve once he got here. I would tend to think both.

Add in our kicking situation and the complete lack of charisma on the part of Doeren to galvanize a weary fan-base, and you have enough reasons to show Doeren the door. Doubtful Yow does though as it's her guy and she's eyeing retirement.



[Edited on November 22, 2016 at 1:39 PM. Reason : Doeren sucks and so does Finley]

11/22/2016 1:37:37 PM

^^you are missing a lot of >>>>>>>>>> between brissett and finley at this point finley is between davis and stone

11/22/2016 1:49:49 PM

evans never threw for as many TDs as finley has this year

evans never threw for as many yards as finley has this year

evans never had a completion % as high as finley has this year

evans never had a yards/attempt as high as finley has this year

evans never had a passer efficiency rating as high as finley has this year

and unless finley has 3 INTs Friday, evans will have more INTs in both his full seasons than finley has this year. evans also threw more INTs than TDs in every season he played.

finley also has the ability to escape the pocket - he's no Lamar Jackson but he can at least sorta evade the rush. evans never could.

y'all are seriously mis-remembering the evans years.

[Edited on November 22, 2016 at 1:53 PM. Reason : f]

11/22/2016 1:50:32 PM

Finely is no Jamarcus Russell...but you guys are severely underestimating his arm strength. He can make all of the throws he needs to.

The only thing separating Finley and Brisset is running ability. Finley throws a better deep ball than Jacoby as well.

11/22/2016 2:36:26 PM

I see that sandman broke his hiatus from tww to spew his negativity. i guess he's gotta spew it somewhere.

11/22/2016 2:53:17 PM

thanks for adding your constructive post that is relevant to the thread title

did you expect this thread to be positive?

[Edited on November 22, 2016 at 3:16 PM. Reason : I'll admit I forgot how bad Davis and Evans were]

11/22/2016 3:13:02 PM

^^^, ^^ Finley, is that you?!?

Seriously though, I'm sure my memory of how bad Evans was (in comparison with Finley) has faded with time. All I know is Finley is not good enough to win games by himself and the rest of the team is not good enough to win games in spite of him and our kicker.

5-6 is not where we should be 4 years into a regime and I don't like our chances for getting better next year with this combination of quarterback and coach. Blame who you want for that...personally I blame Doeren. I'm just less enthused about our chances in Yow firing him than I am for us finding a better solution at quarterback to cover up for Doeren's inadequacies.

11/22/2016 4:28:43 PM

Quote :

"All I know is Finley is not good enough to win games by himself and the rest of the team is not good enough to win games in spite of him and our kicker. "

not to be a total downer, but we've had 4 NFL QBs come through here in the past decade and a half and we've got a fucking a Gator Bowl win and only 2 seasons above .500 in the ACC to show for it. point being, it takes a lot more than a QB to win games....we've had a couple elite level QBs come through and still haven't won at a high level. so Finley might not be good enough to win games by himself, but even when we've had elite QBs it hasn't taken us much further than where we are now. which is why, to me, finley isn't the problem. he could surely be better and he's far from being great....but i don't think he's the main reason we haven't had a break through season this year. to me, the biggest issues this year have been the secondary, dumb ass penalties (better as of late), missed FGs, inconsistency on offense...which can be attributed to dropped passes and play calling...and sure, not stellar play at QB. but all around, he's serviceable and there's no reason a team quarterbacked by him couldn't win 8 games and be a fringe top 25 team.'

i'm totally with you that the program should be better than where it is now...i just don't see Finley as the culprit.

[Edited on November 22, 2016 at 5:44 PM. Reason : f]

11/22/2016 5:42:43 PM

/thread

11/22/2016 7:30:44 PM

Quote :

"The only thing separating Finley and Brisset is running ability. Finley throws a better deep ball than Jacoby as well."

He can still throw a horrible deep ball and be better than Brisset

11/22/2016 8:24:19 PM

Yet brissett got drafted by the pats and finley prob won't sniff the pros

[Edited on November 22, 2016 at 8:57 PM. Reason : .]

11/22/2016 8:55:26 PM