Do they consist of White Nationalists?

Nazis?

KKK?

Or is it something in between Normal Republicans and the extreme?

Why is this a thing anyway?

8/17/2017 9:54:31 AM

yes

8/17/2017 10:03:20 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

8/17/2017 10:16:24 AM

It's a way for print media to save a few words in their articles by only having to refer to KKK, white-supremacists, Republicans, and nazis as one group, the alt-right.

8/17/2017 10:30:21 AM

It's also a keyboard combination that does absolutely nothing unless you assign it.

8/17/2017 10:31:29 AM

mostly Larpers and NEETs.

8/17/2017 10:32:26 AM

^^^ the print media didn't invent the term.......

8/17/2017 10:48:58 AM

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"by only having to refer to KKK, white-supremacists, Republicans, and nazis as one group, the alt-right."

No. The term does not encompass Republicans in general dude

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM. Reason : where do you get this shit?]

8/17/2017 10:52:57 AM

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"It's also a keyboard combination that does absolutely nothing unless you assign it."

lol

8/17/2017 11:15:03 AM

not all republicans are nazis, just nazi sympathizers

8/17/2017 11:15:07 AM

^

8/17/2017 11:17:58 AM

I think it is unfair to lum everyone in the alt-right as a Nazi or white nationalist.

Alt-right generally means a return to a more traditional culture, and anti-feminist attitudes.

like the left, the right has a series of factions. there are plenty in the alt-right who disavow the nazi elements.

8/17/2017 2:47:20 PM

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"Alt-right generally means a return to a more traditional culture, and anti-feminist attitudes. "

you agree with this?

8/17/2017 2:49:21 PM

no alt-right disavows the nazis

8/17/2017 2:59:16 PM

According to people in those groups and LEOs who know them well, there are fine differences between

White separatists
White supremacists
Neo-nazis

And who among those groups is racist or not.

These videos help somewhat in teasing out the differences:

NC KKK leader: 'I'm glad that girl died' during Virginia protest
http://www.wbtv.com/story/36139058/nc-kkk-leader-im-glad-that-girl-died-during-virginia-protest

A former FBI agent who infiltrated white supremacist groups speaks out on why they're a growing danger.
https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/1024026641072176/

NC woman’s confrontation with Nazi flag-flyer goes viral
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article167144232.html

8/17/2017 3:02:14 PM

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" you agree with this?"

I'm more of a "leave me the hell alone" libertarian-nihilist myself.

8/17/2017 3:14:20 PM

I don't know how accurate it is, but I recently read an interesting distinction between white supremacists and white nationalists: white supremacists would be content with subjugating other races to second-class citizens, whereas white nationalists would prefer to expel other races from the nation.

8/17/2017 3:16:52 PM

I'd say similar to what is asked of the muslims, theres a need for some REALLY vocal Republicans to express a denouncement of these extremists...if they really don't want to be lumped together, of course.

8/17/2017 3:17:59 PM

That is accurate. WN dont necessarily hate, they just support the idea of ethno states.



[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 3:21 PM. Reason : Dam autocorrect]

8/17/2017 3:20:13 PM

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"no alt-right disavows the nazis"

With all due respect, I think you are wrong.

I think the alt-right formed out of a segment of conservatives who dislikedo the neo-con policies of the Bush years. They felt neo-con social policy was too liberal, and foreign adventurism was a waste of money and life.

So, this led to a more nationalist right, America first so to speak. As far as social policy, they were vehemently opposed to gay rights, LGBT, and feminism and women's rights. They supported a return to masculine patriarchy and an honor society. They also generally support a return to strong religious faith and traditionalism.

But the alt right did develope a white nationalist and neo-nazi fringe as well

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 3:30 PM. Reason : Dam autocorrect]

8/17/2017 3:26:11 PM

with no respect due, you are wrong, the alt-right is perfectly fine with the support they receive from nazis and klansman

8/17/2017 3:31:35 PM

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"WN dont necessarily hate, they just support the idea of ethno states."

quoting this before you delete it

8/17/2017 3:32:30 PM

Not sure why you are being disrespectful dude.

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 3:36 PM. Reason : .]

8/17/2017 3:33:00 PM

that's the only reason you think that is a bad statement?

please tell me more about these non-hating white nationalists

8/17/2017 3:35:52 PM

Dude, I'm not a WN or Nazi. I'm not defending anyone.

The title was What is the alt right, I was just trying to give an objective explanation. I was also commenting on the above distinction

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 3:40 PM. Reason : . ]

8/17/2017 3:38:59 PM

If I'm following this correctly, WN don't hate other races, they just want them to be separated...like out of the country separated.

What other reason would you want to be totally separated from another race?

8/17/2017 3:51:20 PM

For the record, I disavow totalitarianism and atrocity in all its forms.

8/17/2017 3:51:20 PM

i'm not saying you're a nazi, but by your words you apparently think some of them are okay

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 3:53 PM. Reason : autocorrect]

8/17/2017 3:52:59 PM

No. I'm not endorsing that shit, at all.

All I was trying to do was give a fair, objective, detached explaination of the alt-right...as the question of the thread was asking. And I think there are alt right segments that denounce and disavow the nazi morons trying to corrupt the name

8/17/2017 3:57:22 PM

no one is saying you are endorsing it, but you clearly think there are some okay nazis

for example:

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"WN dont necessarily hate"

please tell me more about these non-hating white nationalists

8/17/2017 4:14:42 PM

They both seem abhorrent, but white nationalists seem to be more intolerant than white supremacists, based on the distinction above.

8/17/2017 4:22:33 PM

WN: Hey other races are okay, but GTFO MY COUNTRY!

That sound about right?

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 4:52 PM. Reason : did not proofread before posting.]

8/17/2017 4:28:16 PM

I don't think some nazis are ok. I think you are inferring way too much, and I probably could have stated that better.

8/17/2017 4:44:12 PM

jesus christ, i'm not fucking inferring anything

i'm asking you to explain non-hating white nationalists

its a confusing statement to all of us

8/17/2017 4:48:02 PM

All I meant was that they believe in the idea of ethno states. Rather than oppression of other races or minorities, they support the idea of ethno states for all races. I think they believe everyone is happier and it eliminates racism. They would support a palestine, for example.

That is my understanding of WN. but again, I'm not one. That is just my understanding of it.

8/17/2017 4:56:45 PM

Some of them apparently want everyone to have their own racially-separated nation state. As in they think people are better off sticking with their own race, not that any race is inherently superior.

It's completely unrealistic and stupid, but not really racist. Maybe, idk.

edit: nah it's still racist

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 5:08 PM. Reason : .]

8/17/2017 4:59:05 PM

and how is that non hateful, and how do you get there without hate and violence

you keep trying to qualify your statements, but it really seems like that while you may not be a nazi you are okay with nazis

8/17/2017 4:59:21 PM

Look dude, go ask them to explain themselves. I have no idea and don't care what they think. That was my half assed attempt to explain them, that you are somehow assuming reflects my views

8/17/2017 5:10:00 PM

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"Some of them apparently want everyone to have their own racially-separated nation state. As in they think people are better off sticking with their own race, not that any race is inherently superior. It's completely unrealistic and stupid, but not really racist. Maybe, idk."

glad to see you edited, because holy fuck

8/17/2017 5:28:12 PM

god damn you two are really the biggest pricks on this forum

8/17/2017 5:32:29 PM

by pointing out that it took you 9 minutes to realize that it actually is extremely racist?

8/17/2017 5:38:08 PM

yes i made a quick comment at work and went back and edited it 9 min later

weird how when you explore unfamiliar concepts, you're sometimes wrong and change your mind. not that you would know about that, being always right.

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 5:46 PM. Reason : .]

8/17/2017 5:46:18 PM

you have a history of posting about a subject that you don't know much about, only to seemingly change your opinion in real time

this is just one of the most egregious examples

and pleading ignorance on white nationalism and racism is a bad, bad look

8/17/2017 5:52:06 PM

lol fucking hell

8/17/2017 5:53:04 PM

Trying to parse the difference between a group that wants an apartheid state vs ethnic cleansing is not worth the intellectual brain power.

Both sides are abhorrent and there's a reason why they've united with one another

8/17/2017 6:03:55 PM

How do white nationalists think about globalization!?!? Like, in their political belief should the US not do business with anyone outside of the European, [North?]American, and Australian continents? Are they isolationist? What's the white nationalist opinion on American Chinese food?

These are questions I think about...

8/17/2017 6:05:20 PM

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"by pointing out that it took you 9 minutes to realize that it actually is extremely racist?"

Dude...get over yourself. A month ago you were happily punching left and blaming Bernie-bros and the progressive left for this mess while attacking them of casual sexism. And now that an actual Socialist died protesting fascists (something you'd never do...did you go to any of the memorial services I linked for you? Doubt it), you're gonna sit here and pretend that you understand the micro differences between different fascist cults? You just patted yourself on the back earlier for your smug liberal elitism only sounding "condescending" to the filthy unwashed masses in another thread without a hint of irony.

Pffffff.... spare us your liberal virtue signaling

8/17/2017 6:46:53 PM

was I?

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"Pffffff.... spare us your liberal virtue signaling"

1) by pointing out that white supremacists and white nationalists are racist?

and

2) what in the world would you call your paragraph above that?

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 7:15 PM. Reason : .]

8/17/2017 7:01:23 PM

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"you're gonna sit here and pretend that you understand the micro differences between different fascist cults? "

Not taking sides here but are we splitting hairs about whether white nationalists and/or white supremacists are racist? It's an easy one. They are. To his credit adultswim immediately edited. I edit things long after I post when my thoughts rearrange or I notice I say something dumb, which I do a lot.

But there should be no ambiguity here. They are diametrically opposed to any sense of decency and equality.

[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 7:15 PM. Reason : And to stay topical the "alt-right" is inextricably linked to these groups. That bridge was crossed.]

8/17/2017 7:14:21 PM

^^ Yes. You were. And you do it often. And it's annoying


Look. Liberal capitalists won't win this battle against the rise of the radical right. They can't. They don't know how. They don't even speak the language of big political ideas. They are incapable of providing political ideas that can forcefully oppose the right. They retreat to pithy little slogans like "LOVE WINS" or whatever other empty phrase they can come up with.

They are incapable of proposing economic alternatives. The Right's movements manifest themselves as hate, this is obvious. But there's still a political idea driving that hatred. They think (falsely) that an ethno state will somehow stop austerity and magically bring forth economic prosperity. They see dwindling resources that are available and band together along race lines in an attempt to secure access to those dwindling resources

Liberals think this is only a culture war. It's not. It's an economic battle being fought along racial and patriarchal lines. Oppose it by supporting socialism and working class solidarity. Direct their anger toward the capitalist, and away from scapegoats. If you try to oppose them with only identity politics and some empty call to "decency," you will lose

^ ^ They're all (alt-right, WN, etc) racist. And violent. And abhorrent. Their means and methods of achieving their slightly different goals are irrelevant because they should BOTH be opposed. I'm arguing that debating their differences is pointless because they're all fascist.





[Edited on August 17, 2017 at 7:51 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2017 7:23:07 PM