I think theres too many topics and too many scandals going on in regards to his credibility for it to all be limited to one thread. I want to have this thread so we can talk about his credibility with regards to the military in one place.

Call to Family of slain soldier

I want to clarify a few things

1. Trump's comment was inappropriate and distasteful because of the time he said and and who he said it to. I think we can all agree on that.

2. What he said was true, right? Does anyone disagree with the statement "he knew what he was signing up for". At this point, how could anyone be in the military and not consider the possibility of this happening to them?

3. How can someone be a considered a hero if they signed up without knowing in advance they might die? I thought that was why you considered these guys heroes (I don't so I'm trying to gain insight from people who do consider them heroes). I guess my question is, can you really consider someone a hero, if they did what they were doing without knowing it was a risk?

In addition to all of that, based on the mccain comments, I think Trump deep down believes that dying is a sign of weakness and that the best soldiers stay alive. I'd even go as far as saying, he probably sees the dead soldiers as a disappointment.

10/19/2017 7:21:25 PM

For me, your last statement sums it up. Was there an objective truth when he said the kid knew what he was signing up for? Absolutely. Was it the correct time to say that? Absolutely not.

And that's really the revealing aspect. It was a very insensitive thing to say at the time which further proves his insensitivity towards other humans.

If you take that and then also consider it alongside his comments about McCain and troops being captured, then one cannot possibly think he has any respect for anyone on this planet aside from himself.

And I think that's what it (along with any other issue that can be discussed about Trump) boils down to - the man has no respect for anyone but himself.

[Edited on October 19, 2017 at 7:26 PM. Reason : a]

10/19/2017 7:26:35 PM

Part of me is angry that he's completely ignoring one of the biggest disasters in California history since he's only tweeted about it once in the last 10+ days and he has no intention of visiting.

Mostly, I'm glad he's keeping his mouth shut and staying the fuck out of California where he's not wanted. I'm sure if he had a decent winery, he would have been here for a photo Op early last week. He's a subhuman piece of shit that I hope stays as far away from CA as possible.

[Edited on October 19, 2017 at 7:52 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2017 7:51:29 PM

Regarding that call....the right is saying that it was taken completely out of context. The context being:

"He knew what he was signing up for [potential dealth] but he did it anyway. He was that kind of person."

Not sure if that is really how it went down, but that second part of the sentence puts an entirely different meaning on what he said.

10/19/2017 8:33:18 PM

I’m sure that’s how the right is spinning it, and maybe that’s what trump was trying to convey, but it ain’t the way it came out and it solidifies the fact that he is a self absorbed asshole with zero empathy.

10/19/2017 8:50:47 PM

^^I was open to that interpretation (I actually had initially presumed that) until I started hearing that the family was all giving the same account of what happened.

Of course, that doesn't mean the Congresswoman isn't sort of pushing them to back her story. But given the history of Trump, the burden of proof is on him, particularly considering he initially went to his default "I have proof/tapes/whatever," after which the White House had to immediately confirm they did not record the call.

10/19/2017 8:55:17 PM

I've lost what faith I've had in Kelly over this.

Also, I love how Trump keeps bringing up that Obama didn't call Kelly when his son died, protocol would have Obama call the son's widow.

10/19/2017 9:34:35 PM

Quote :

"Of course, that doesn't mean the Congresswoman isn't sort of pushing them to back her story."

just stop with this

she isn’t just a congresswoman pushing a family to back her story. she’s essentially part of the family involved.

why in the world people are still giving Trump the benefit of the doubt is beyond me and it’s fucking sad

10/20/2017 12:49:05 AM

Don't take that one quote and make it out to seem as if I'm giving Trump carte blanche. It is entirely reasonable to believe a representative would use something like this to his or her advantage - Ted Cruz literally did it in his debate with Bernie Sanders the other night.

What does "essentially part of the family" mean? Is she a relative or not?

10/20/2017 1:52:27 AM

Look I"m maybe defending Trump on this one point here, because I think the media is dirty. But that doesn't mean that it would hurt my feelings if he resigned tomorrow.

10/20/2017 8:55:02 AM

she was a mentor to the soidier who was killed. the family has corroborated the story, and Kelly essentially confirmed their side of the story yesterday

^ what role has the media played in this? glad to see you’re becoming a #FakeNews guy

[Edited on October 20, 2017 at 9:04 AM. Reason : .]

10/20/2017 8:56:25 AM

Wouldnt that make what she did even more disgraceful? Using a man whose family she was "essentially a part of", just to score political points?

10/20/2017 9:05:22 AM

It seems like the whole family was pretty shocked and appalled by what he said, so no.

10/20/2017 9:09:28 AM

Quote :

"she was a mentor to the soidier who was killed"

Thanks. I didn't know there was a personal connection, I just figured a representative was meeting with the family because it was a fallen soldier in her district.

10/20/2017 9:12:26 AM

I'm not a fake news guy. I just believe this is one incident where he's honestly being taken out of context.

Because I just don't see the profit for him in telling this widow "He knew what he signed up for" in such a callous way. It just makes too much sense for him to have added the second part of the sentence which changes everything - "and he signed up for it anyway."

10/20/2017 9:24:16 AM

it’d make sense for a normal person with even a sliver of empathy

you aren’t talking about a normal person with even a sliver of empathy

10/20/2017 9:35:16 AM

I don't think it's fair to say he only cares about himself, he also cares about his family his children some of his children.

10/20/2017 10:52:20 AM

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"Because I just don't see the profit for him in telling this widow "He knew what he signed up for" in such a callous way."

I don't see the profit for nearly anything he has done.

10/20/2017 10:53:43 AM

So do you not buy the explanation provided by Kelly. I would tend to believe that before the crazy cowboy hat wearing lady from Florida.

10/20/2017 2:29:03 PM

Yea she looks off the rails, that's why I suggested maybe she was pushing the family to side with her, but they all seem uniform in it. Like I said, the burden of proof (in my opinion) would be on him given all of his other nonsense, but the below is enough for me to give him more than benefit of the doubt (now) on this one.

This is a recorded call from a separate one he did and it sounds absolutely fine: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/10/19/listen-soldiers-widow-shares-her-call-with-trump/?utm_term=.6339fdfbb127

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/356347-soldiers-widow-releases-recording-of-familys-call-with-trump

Maybe this one was pressured to release it to counter the accusations of the other one. The whole situation is awful.

[Edited on October 20, 2017 at 2:45 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on October 20, 2017 at 2:48 PM. Reason : a]

10/20/2017 2:44:42 PM

What exactly was Kelly's explanation? All I pulled from his speech were baseless smears against the congresswoman, America has no values, and anyone that hasn't served in the military is a 2nd class citizen that doesn't understand patriotism.

10/20/2017 4:09:16 PM

Wow. So now we can’t question a four star general

10/20/2017 5:25:02 PM

rofl retired recalls coming

10/20/2017 6:09:44 PM

that damn dirty media

http://wr.al/19UoE

check the comments, too

10/23/2017 2:33:06 PM

I don’t even get it. It’s not in dispute what he said. General Kelly even confirmed it. What planet are these people from?

[Edited on October 23, 2017 at 7:55 PM. Reason : It’s like me saying Clinton never called people deplorable. Of course she was right but she said it.]

10/23/2017 7:54:22 PM

They are talking about the implied context of what he said

10/23/2017 8:21:21 PM

Why does it matter? I’m not asking from a “does it appease his base” point of view. Simply from a human decency point. A confident man would simply say “I didn’t think I was being this way but I’m sorry if it came off that way.” It’s not a real apology with the hedge but it shows a shred of empathy.

10/24/2017 7:57:26 AM

apologies are for pussies

10/24/2017 9:50:12 AM