Where is the plane, in that Pentagon animation?

Also, aren't there far more effective, and less damaging, ways to get a country riled up for war? Why kill so much people, and go through so much planning, and risk so much, for something that could easily be done other ways? Wouldn't it have been easier to fake UBL waging war on another country (Iraq, for instance-- kill 2 birds with one stone), then go in, save Iraq (with the UN, of course) and "use" their oil? Or have UBL attack Egypt or Saudi Arabia... There are even probably a thousand other ways that DON'T involve an attack... It's just so ridiculous to think that they went through all of that... Not to mention the BILLIONS being dumped down the drain to fund a war, and the trillions the US is put in debt as a result. On top of that, there is the chance of the continuing loss of American lives (as soldiers). And saying that the entire conspiracy was "for oil" doesn't make sense either... because the money being spent could have easily (I would imagine, not sure though) bought the oil wells or the pipelines we wanted. And then there is the risk of getting caught (the biggest risk). If the information you are linking to (seemingly mostly from other crackpots and Geocities sites) were so conclusive and provable, why won't countries like Russia or China (that might have a bone to pick) or some of the western European countries even, pick up on it (and surf the net for a few hours finding their info ) and do something about it? Surely, the way some flash animations spread, they could have spread a news story, or seeded something to CNN, or programmed a virus to deliver the content, or taken out an ad in Kazaa. And these countries, I would guess, would have an interest in making the US look bad... or are all of them in on this too?

One sign of schizophrenia is a pathological obsession with conspiracies, and the idea that someone is out to get you, and taking measures in case that happens... in your daily life, salisburyboy, do you do anything different because of what you believe of 9/11? Do you use PGP encryption on all or your emails? Or scan your house with bug detectors? Or by those devices that supposedly tell if your line is tapped? You know, you can even by encryption devices that clip on to your phone (I hear, though, manufacturers are required to give the algorithms to the NSA)?

1/29/2004 1:03:27 AM

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"Also, aren't there far more effective, and less damaging, ways to get a country riled up for war? Why kill so much people, and go through so much planning, and risk so much, for something that could easily be done other ways? Wouldn't it have been easier to fake UBL waging war on another country "

Something dramatic was needed. A massive and deadly attack on Americans would most likely be needed to arouse enough outrage (or fear) in the American public to make the American public support these wars. A "less damaging" act or pretext would not cause the public to support these wars.

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"Not to mention the BILLIONS being dumped down the drain to fund a war, and the trillions the US is put in debt as a result. On top of that, there is the chance of the continuing loss of American lives (as soldiers)."

War is paid for by the taxpayers and is a drain on them, but it makes certain people rich, including bankers (by lending money and putting people in debt) and defense contractors (those who make weapons of war). The banking interests own the U.S. government. They are the real power in Washington, not the politicians who are merely their puppets. Thus, the real rulers in Washington (the bankers) would want more war because it allows them to loan more money to the "U.S. Government" putting the "government" in debt. Bankers make profits by putting people in debt and collecting on the interest.

On the issue of American lives, the majority foreign owned federal reserve bank corporation could care less about the lives of Americans (other than they need enough of them to pay taxes, which is collected and paid to the Federal Reserve Bank as interest payments). Even if Bush and our politicians were the real power in Washington, why would you put it past them to not care for the lives of American soldiers? Throughout history, rulers have sent their soldiers into battle and oftentimes they did not much care if many of them died, as long as the objective of the war was accomplished.

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"And saying that the entire conspiracy was "for oil" doesn't make sense either... because the money being spent could have easily (I would imagine, not sure though) bought the oil wells or the pipelines we wanted. "

Let's assume oil was a motive. You are assuming that Iraq was willing to cooperate in such a deal. Perhaps Iraq would not cooperate with the demands of the rulers of America. If this is the case, you have a reason for taking other action to force Iraq to comply.

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"If the information you are linking to (seemingly mostly from other crackpots and Geocities sites) were so conclusive and provable, why won't countries like Russia or China (that might have a bone to pick) or some of the western European countries even, pick up on it (and surf the net for a few hours finding their info ) and do something about it?"

How do you know the author of a geocities site is a "crackpot" if you don't even know who they are? How can you know the credibility of someone if you don't even know them? If you are going to suggest that they aren't credible, show us the lies and falsehoods they made. The mainstream media are the crackpots. We know who they are and we know their reputation and track record. They have withheld important information and spread lies and deception time and time again. It is they who have no credibility.

On why other countries haven't done anything...many other nations are ruled by the same international banking interests that secretly rule America (as is much of the media around the world). The media is very powerful. Many people accept what the media says as absolute truth without question. Thus, you could see why it is hard to get the truth out.

I have read that a poll indicated that a significant portion of the citizens of Germany, for instance, believe that the U.S. government was behind 9-11. So, there are people out there who know the truth. They are just in the minority in most places.

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"One sign of schizophrenia is a pathological obsession with conspiracies, and the idea that someone is out to get you..."

I'm not obsessed with conspiracies any more than is warranted. I don't look for conspiracies in everything. I merely intend to recognize them where they in fact do exist. It is a fact that conspiracies occur. They are very common. People conspire to commit crimes all around the world, every day. Governments have been involved in conspiracies. It is foolish to think that conspiracies do not exist.

In this case, if you have carefully examined the evidence of 9/11, you have to conclude that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks. The evidence is overwhelming and speaks for itself. If one has examined it and can't see this (or won't admit it), then they are the ones with some sort of psychological disorder.

[Edited on January 29, 2004 at 12:22 PM. Reason : ..]

1/29/2004 12:14:02 PM

Appears to be a good resource: http://www.9112001.net/

1/29/2004 3:51:00 PM

I was looking at one of them 9-11 conspiracy sites a while back, and it seems more or less reasonable at first... not like rock-solid reasonable, but some of the question seemed interesting... and hey, I've played Deus Ex so it was at least entertaining... so I follow a few links and found myself at a page claiming it all had to do with UFOs and elder gods.

I stopped surfing at that point.

1/29/2004 4:31:21 PM

Article from the Sydney Morning Herald alleges the U.S. government was planning wars for the purpose of securing oil, a plan for war in Afghanistan was made months before 9/11, and the U.S. military was already fighting the Taliban months before 9/11.

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"As far back as 1975, Henry Kissinger, then secretary of state, said America was prepared to wage war over oil. Separate plans advocating US conquest of Saudi oilfields were published in the '70s. So it should come as little surprise that in May last year - four months before the terrorist attacks on Washington and New York - a battle plan for Afghanistan was already being reviewed by the US Command that would carry it out after September 11. Military strategists were highlighting the energy wealth of the Caspian Sea and Central Asia and its importance to America's "security". The Indian media and Jane's Intelligence Review reported that the US was fighting covert battles against the Taliban, months before the "war on terrorism" was declared. ...Over several months beginning in April last year a series of military and governmental policy documents was released that sought to legitimise the use of US military force in the pursuit of oil and gas. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/25/1040511092926.html"

...more relevant articles from "mainstream" news sources: http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up

[Edited on January 29, 2004 at 11:17 PM. Reason : ..]

1/29/2004 11:14:13 PM

The events of 9/11 threaten to put the demolition industry out of business!!!

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"Many, many hours after the towers collapsed, the fire in #7 suddenly got out of control, broke all steel beams at the joints, and pulverized the concrete into dust! Why pay a demolition company to turn a steel and concrete building into a small pile of rubble when a fire can do the exact same job? http://members.fortunecity.com/911/hufschmid/CloudsOfConcrete_2.html "

As we know, the twin towers stood for a long time after the jet fuel had long since burned up. The fire had died down, but as we all know, it was the burning office paper, desks, and computers that caused the entrie building to come crashing down near the rate of free fall, pulverizing the building into powder and ash, leaving few large pieces left.



[Edited on January 30, 2004 at 12:11 PM. Reason : ..]

1/30/2004 12:10:43 PM

You would think that if fires brought down the twin towers and WTC 7, we would investigate the evidence to determine why this happened. After all, these were the first modern steel skyscrapers to collapse due to fire. Instead, the rubble was quickly hauled away. The steel was smelted oversees and was never investigated.

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"If a fire truly brought those buildings down, shouldn't we try to understand what was wrong with the design of the WTC? Shouldn't we wonder how many other tall buildings will crumble from a fire? Shouldn't we revise our building codes to make our buildings more able to survive fires? Some firemen are complaining about this lack of an investigation. Specifically, they say our laws demand investigations for fires and other disasters in tall buildings. But the next day crews were hauling the scrap away. What a coincidence that our government decided to violate our laws at a time when a fire did what no fire had ever done before! http://members.fortunecity.com/911/hufschmid/WtcFireballs.html"

But who cares, right? Who cares that the government didn't follow the laws requiring a proper investigation? It doesn't matter that they hauled the evidence away without an investigation. Our government never lies. In fact, it's impossible for them to lie. They are always looking out for our best interests. And if they say that for the first time in history 3 modern steel skyscrapers collapsed due to fire, we will gladly blindly believe them.

[Edited on January 30, 2004 at 12:34 PM. Reason : ..]

1/30/2004 12:26:52 PM

Let's review the official government story:

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"Official Explanation: A small group of devout Muslims, some of whom are such hypocrites they behave in an obnoxious manner at bars and strip clubs, take a few flight lessons but never become proficient enough to fly a single-engine airplane. They divide into four groups, and each group convinces a flight crew to let them have control of their airplane. Three of these groups hit buildings while flying at high speed. An hour or so later both towers disintegrate into dust, and building #7 disintegrates later in the evening. Official motive for the attack: Americans love freedom. http://members.fortunecity.com/911/hufschmid/WhoBlewUpWTC.html"

I would add that the aircraft that hit the Pentagon was flown in a manner that an air force pilot remarked that if the aircraft was a Boeing 757, the pilot of the plane must have been an expert pilot or the aircraft was remote controlled.

1/30/2004 12:52:52 PM

Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, made comments in a PBS documentary that suggest that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish WTC 7:

Listen to it on audio here: http://infowars.com/audio/PullIt.mp3

Video here: http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

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"Mr. Silverstein's comments imply that he and the FDNY threw together an expert demolition job in the space of a few short hours on the afternoon of 9/11. This revelation is staggering enough considering its blatant contradiction to what has been, all along, the official cause of the "collapse." http://infowars.com/print/Sept11/FDNY.htm"

[Edited on January 30, 2004 at 4:31 PM. Reason : ..]

1/30/2004 4:25:47 PM

"pull it" is the industry term for a controlled demolition:

Watch this: http://fyleserva.com/video/911/alex_analysis_wtc7.WMV

This is a video of Alex Jones' show from 1/27/04. He talks about the evidence that points to government complicity, and focusses upon Silverstein's comment in the PBS film.

[Edited on January 30, 2004 at 4:48 PM. Reason : ..]

1/30/2004 4:38:46 PM

dude...they used asbestos insulation in the beginning. then people got upset about asbestos and cancer. so they ripped it all out. result: less ability to resist. heat. and besides, i believe they had thought of the possibility of a (much smaller) airplane crashing into the twin towers when it was in its design phase. it was a horrible event. and horrible events have a tendency to produce horrible results, despite the best of plans.

"the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry"

you don't seem to like anything about our country. go form your own little kingdom in the middle of the desert or something...

1/30/2004 4:39:33 PM

Don't take my word. Watch the videos above.

1/30/2004 4:42:41 PM

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"Don't take my word."

Wow, for a minute there I was thinking about it [/sarcasm]

1/30/2004 4:44:45 PM

do you think you'll actually convince us? why don't you explain how cuban mafia killed JFK and RFK, how the photos on the moon were staged, how there is an entrance to an inner earth at the north pole, how the world is flat, how jesus had a second coming in america and turned the skin of jews red when they pissed him off and made them indians, or any other such bullshit

1/30/2004 6:22:04 PM

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"do you think you'll actually convince us? --goalielax"

Some people wouldn't accept the truth if it was staring them in the face. The evidence is overwhelming that our government was complicit.

Now, with regard to WTC 7. Here is an admission by the leaseholder of the WTC, Larry Silverstein, that WTC 7 was demolished. DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND WATCH THIS SHORT VIDEO CLIP:

http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

Unless, of course, you are scared of looking at the truth for fear of its' consequences.

Note that "pull it" is the industry term for bringing a building down in a controlled demolition.

[Edited on January 30, 2004 at 7:47 PM. Reason : ..]

1/30/2004 7:43:59 PM

Um, ok...

Just what in the flying fuck does that prove? As said in that clip, the building had been pelted by debris, and had been on fire for several hours. They demolished the building because they couldn't contain the fires, and it was probably going to collapse anyway.

So? Is that supposed to miraculously make me think that everything in my life is a lie?

1/30/2004 7:52:16 PM

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"Just what in the flying fuck does that prove?...They demolished the building because they couldn't contain the fires, and it was probably going to collapse anyway. So? Is that supposed to miraculously make me think that everything in my life is a lie? --methos "

The official story by the government, including the FEMA report, is that WTC collapsed due to fire. Therefore, the government is lying about the cause of WTC 7's collapse.

Of course this doesn't make every single thing in your life a lie. Why view it in such an irrational manner? Are you saying that to believe the government was complicit in 9/11 makes everything in your life a lie? Does your faith in your government or your opinion that the government was not complicit in 9/11 define your entire life?

We must accept the truth, whether we like it or not, regardless of the consequences.

[Edited on January 30, 2004 at 8:05 PM. Reason : ..]

1/30/2004 8:01:04 PM

It is clear that WTC 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition.

Now, you are saying that they decided to demolish it after it caught fire on Sept. 11th. The problem with that is that it takes a long time (perhaps days) to place explosives properly in a building of that size for a controlled demolition. If, as you say, the building was about to collapse due to the fire (which is very unlikely since no modern steel skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire), would they have sent in explosives experts to place explosives in the building as it was "about to collapse", thereby, supposedly risking the lives of these people? Would there have even been enough time to make the decision to have the demolition, call out people to do it, and then place explosives in the building all in the space of a few hours? That scenario doesn't seem very possible, if likely at all.

The explosives that brought down WTC 7 were placed inside of WTC 7 in the time period before 9/11/01.

[Edited on January 30, 2004 at 8:19 PM. Reason : ..]

1/30/2004 8:12:28 PM

who shot JR?

1/30/2004 8:31:00 PM

Assuming someone does end up believing you somehow, even though this doesn't seem to be the case, what would you have them do, and if you believe what you are saying what have you done about it other than posted on tww?

1/30/2004 8:33:47 PM

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"Assuming someone does end up believing you somehow, even though this doesn't seem to be the case..."

Just a couple posts above you can see that methos agrees with me that WTC 7 was destroyed by a controlled demolition. So that's one person. I'm sure there are many others as well (that haven't posted, for instance). Secondly, it's not a matter of believing me. It's not like this is a matter in which I am the sole eyewitness to a crime and you must choose to believe me or not. There is a mountain of evidence out there...photographs..videos...testimony of firefighters...statements by other eyewitnesses....seismic evidence...reports in mainstream news organizations. This isn't about me. It's a matter of whether people can accept the truth (or even care enough to look into the truth). If you hate me and are biased against me, at least look into the issue of 9/11 by investigating it for yourself. The real issue is whether people will take their head out of the sand and look at the evidence. The evidence is overwhelming and conclusive that the U.S. government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

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"...what would you have them do,"

I would have them educate others about the truth about what happened on 9/11. If enough people come to know the truth, perhaps we the citizens can change the current situation (ie, the U.S. is ruled by banking interests) and change this country for the better. If people organize themselves, concerned citizens could march on Washington D.C. in protest of our treasonous government.

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"...and if you believe what you are saying what have you done about it other than posted on tww?"

I absolutely believe what I am saying. For starters, I am trying to inform as many other people around me as I can about the truth. Informing people of the truth is a noble goal in and of itself. It is not good that people live their lives believing lies and deception, especially on an issue as crucial is this one.

[Edited on January 30, 2004 at 9:27 PM. Reason : ..]

1/30/2004 9:14:31 PM

Various videos related to 9-11 that can be downloaded.

http://www.attackonamerica.net/video.htm

Some of the links don't work, but others do. The one at the top ("Lone Gunman TV Pilot") is very interesting. The video titled "BBC Television Indicts Bush / CIA in 9-11 Terror Complicity" is good as well.

[Edited on January 30, 2004 at 10:42 PM. Reason : ..]

1/30/2004 10:20:20 PM

Notice the object that flies by shortly after the 2nd plane hits the South Tower. It is visible to the right of the shot...going from left to right and downward at an angle. People have speculated it is a fighter jet...perhaps an F-15.

http://www.attackonamerica.net/F-15.mpg

[Edited on January 30, 2004 at 10:52 PM. Reason : ..]

1/30/2004 10:50:23 PM

it's a bird it's a plane it's SUPERMAN. oh for cryin out loud, he was too late

1/30/2004 10:54:41 PM

Slowed down video showing the object:



F-15s:



http://www.mycountryrightorwrong.net/F-15.htm

[Edited on January 31, 2004 at 1:37 PM. Reason : ..]

1/31/2004 1:34:01 PM

WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO "9-11: THE ROAD TO TYRANNY" BY ALEX JONES ONLINE HERE:

---->http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/the_road_to_tyranny__34kbps_.rm<----

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"911 THE ROAD TO TYRANNY IS SHAKING THE FOUNDATIONS OF WASHINGTON DC AS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AND REVEALING DOCUMENTARY FILM COVERING WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT. 11 AND WHO STANDS TO GAIN. http://www.infowars.com/tyranny.htm"

[Edited on January 31, 2004 at 2:37 PM. Reason : ..]

1/31/2004 2:23:14 PM

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"Just a couple posts above you can see that methos agrees with me that WTC 7 was destroyed by a controlled demolition. So that's one person."

Yea ok. Obviously you're so desperate for some help in your arguments that you seem to think that my earlier post was proof of me seeing the light. I never said I agreed with you, don't put words in my mouth. I posted that because I didn't understand what you were trying to prove from that video clip.

Although if you want to know, yea, the building does look like it went down like a controlled demolition, but I'm not going to jump on any conspiracy bandwagons here. First off, where did that clip come from? Was it some documentary or something?

Second, considering that I recall hearing that they brought down some of WTC buildings because of damage to them, this does not surprise me in the damn least.

Third, the official story you mention is NOT that far off. It collapsed due to fire, or it was brought down in a controlled demolition because of extensive damage caused by fire. There's not a great deal of difference between the two, and even if the former is the actual official government story while the latter is the true story, guess what? I don't care.

I don't care because that doesn't prove anything. I'm sorry, it doesn't. A leaseholder of the WTC7 says, "ok, pull it because its really badly damaged". And? How is that a conspiracy? What's your story now? That they set the demolition charges up early, set them off to destroy the building at that time, and then created a fake official story WHILE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME telling the building leaseholder to give credibility to the demolition story?

That doesn't sound like a conspiracy, that sounds like the government having fun fucking around with conspiracy buffs like you!

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"Slowed down video showing the object:"

Um, that is not a slowed down video. That's about 5 or 6 frames, all taken from the exact same picture, with a stupid little "missle" spray-painted in. That "video" skips around far too much to be individual frames from a video, and the ONLY thing that moves/changes position/or does anything is your "missle". None of the smoke moves, nor does the explosion change.

That is FAKE.

And finally...

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"If you hate me and are biased against me, at least look into the issue of 9/11 by investigating it for yourself"

Look, too late man. I'm sure there are people on this board that dislike you, but I can guarantee that the main reason everything is turned off by your threads and posts is your method of "spreading the news". You come in, type in your latest accusation in big capital letters like some retarded child, post up the newest website you found through Google, and then lash out at anyone else who doesn't believe you.

Frankly even if you started doing all your posts in l33tspeak I don't think you could make them less credible than they are now. I mean c'mon, look at what you do:

A) your sources are all from the internet
B) 90% of everyhing on the internet is garbage and unregulated
C) you obviously only care about your own point of view
D) you post on a fucking college msg board and rant and rave like some freaking lunatic!

No one, NO ONE is going to care what you say, let alone take an objective stance and actually investigate for themselves. So what do you honestly expect us to do?

So lets just end this bs. Somebody lock this damned thread and/or just let it die.

[Edited on January 31, 2004 at 3:58 PM. Reason : screwed up quote tag]

1/31/2004 3:57:17 PM

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"Somebody lock this damned thread... --methos"

You wish. There is absolutely no justification or reason to lock this thread....other than your apparant desire to censor and silence me.

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"you post on a fucking college msg board and rant and rave like some freaking lunatic....---methos"

That's a joke. Is it "ranting" and "lunacy" to merely ask questions, to investigate facts? You've lost it.

[Edited on January 31, 2004 at 4:12 PM. Reason : ..]

1/31/2004 4:03:01 PM

oh, i just had agood conspiracy idea...
what if ppl like salisburyboy are intentionally making the idea that the gov had something to do w/ 9/11 look rediculious... oowhttp://www... makes you wonder...

1/31/2004 4:03:52 PM

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"then lash out at anyone else who doesn't believe you. ---methos"

What do you consider "lashing out"? Mere disagreement? You're just trying to smear me. Your accusations are a joke.

1/31/2004 4:17:25 PM

wow...i just saw a geocities website on that sort of theory...and yes, i'd consider it to be "ranting," salisburyboy, if you're saying that the US government bombed two of our own buildings and killed thousands of innocent people (as you seem to be saying w/ that "f-15" video you have)

yeah

[Edited on January 31, 2004 at 4:21 PM. Reason : two not one]

1/31/2004 4:20:43 PM

Here is an 8 minute video in which Barrie Zwicker, from VisionTV, comments on the similarity between the attack on Pearl Harbor and the events of 9/11.

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/visiontv1dial-up.rm

1/31/2004 5:22:05 PM

without even watching that video, i can tell you two big similarities between pearl harbor and september the 11th:

1) horrible loss of life
2) got us into a war. pearl harbor was a declared war while the war on terrorism wasn't
but then again, we haven't declared war since WWII

1/31/2004 5:26:06 PM

Video analysis of the events of 9/11:

http://thewebfairy.com/911/

1/31/2004 5:26:13 PM

Smoke is rising from below the area where the towers were hit as shown in this photograph, suggesting an explosion took place at ground level near the towers:



http://thewebfairy.com/911/

[Edited on January 31, 2004 at 5:29 PM. Reason : ..]

1/31/2004 5:29:11 PM

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"but then again, we haven't "declared" war since WWII "

^the sun shining on one side of the smoke proves nothing

1/31/2004 5:32:58 PM

^yeah, i guess i should've emphasized that in mine...b/c it IS a war, just not declared by congress

1/31/2004 5:37:37 PM

Eyewitness testimony suggests bombs were in the WTC towers (BBC news):

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""I saw everything from my balcony in Soho. The first plane tried to veer off the tower but slammed straight into it, followed by the second plane," Nadine Keller of New York City wrote in an e-mail to BBC News Online. There was smoke everywhere. I heard the bomb and saw both buildings crumble like biscuits," Ms Keller said. ... Stephen Evans, BBC's North America business correspondent, was on the ground floor of the centre when the first plane crashed. "There was a huge bang and the building physically shook," he said. "Seconds later there were two or three similar huge explosions and the building literally shook again. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1537500.stm"

on reports of explosions: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/eyewitness.html

[Edited on January 31, 2004 at 11:18 PM. Reason : ..]

1/31/2004 11:02:14 PM

Eyewitness Neil deGrasse Tyson states he heard explosions just prior to the collapse of WTC 1 and 2.

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"As more and more and more and more and more emergency vehicles descended on the World Trade Center, I hear a second explosion in WTC 2, then a loud, low-frequency rumble that precipitates the unthinkable -- a collapse of all the floors above the point of explosion. ... As I dress for survival: boots, flashlight, wet towels, swimming goggles, bicycle helmet, gloves, I hear another explosion followed by a now all-too familiar rumble that signaled the collapse of WTC 1, the first of the two towers to have been hit. I saw the iconic antenna on this building descend straight down in an implosion twinning the first. http://www.planetary.org/html/society/advisors/sept11account.html"

1/31/2004 11:16:35 PM

This eyewitness was in WTC tower 2 (the second to be hit by aircraft) on Sept. 11th.

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""I was almost out. I got down to the lobby, right near the Border’s book store. And then there was this explosion. I don’t know, I just got thrown to the ground and all this stuff fell on top of me." http://www.mrbellersneighborhood.com/sec9/theashenguy"

This eyewitness reports hearing a loud explosion just before the collapse of WTC 2:

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"So they escorted us thru the exit of World Trade 2 and I had just reached the revolving door of the building that I heard a loud explosion and the whole building collapsed. http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/survivor3.htm"

[Edited on February 2, 2004 at 11:13 AM. Reason : ..]

2/2/2004 11:07:53 AM

http://www.csicop.org/hoaxwatch/

2/2/2004 3:14:00 PM

hahaha

mother FUCK salisbury youre a idiot.

2/2/2004 3:15:06 PM

coming from you, that is a complement

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"The fact is that -- as the engaging children's book, "The Emperor's New Clothes", demonstrates -- the vast majority of people prefer the safe-looking lie even when the truth has been unequivocally shown to them.. http://www.diakrisis.org/shape_of_things_to_come.htm"

[Edited on February 2, 2004 at 3:23 PM. Reason : ..]

2/2/2004 3:22:21 PM

ITS SATAN AND ANGELS AND MAGIC AND WIZARDS

2/2/2004 3:23:54 PM

This event does have spiritual aspects, but I posted the pictures of the faces in the smoke merely because I thought they were very interesting, not as proof of who is responsible.

This is "Operation Northwoods", only this time it was carried out and it involved Afghanistan...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

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"Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities"

[Edited on February 2, 2004 at 3:30 PM. Reason : ..]

2/2/2004 3:28:31 PM

oh, I agree it has spiritual aspects.

I dont believe thats satan smiling in the dust though.

2/2/2004 3:33:56 PM

I never said it was Satan smiling in the dust....all I did was post the pictures.

[Edited on February 2, 2004 at 3:37 PM. Reason : ..]

2/2/2004 3:35:23 PM

Alright, as entertaining as this thread has been, you guys seriously need to stop humoring this madman.

[Edited on February 2, 2004 at 3:49 PM. Reason : one of these days, i'll learn how to spell, no joke ]

2/2/2004 3:43:35 PM

Quote :

"stop humouring this madman. "

Again, another complement...

Have you considered the possiblity that you are the insane one and I am sane?

2/2/2004 3:47:48 PM

he'll just humor himself, it's sad really

2/2/2004 3:47:49 PM