Kay_Yow All American 6858 Posts user info edit post |
^ Kudos for that great argument. 4/25/2007 10:41:48 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
I knwo you like him supplanter, thats fine, you're entitled to your opinion
but when it's obvious that he doesn't care about NCSU to the general populace, you need to quit trying to garner NCSU votes for this turncoat asshole 4/26/2007 6:55:13 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
I know you hate him, and you’re entitled to your opinion.
And I’m not saying he loves our school, but I am saying he’s the only candidate who has graduated from our school, launched a campaign from our school which had countless other people who shared a similar opinion to the one I’m entitled to, and I am saying that he’s a candidate that cares about education, and who will care about North Carolina in general more than any other candidate regardless of what he thinks of our school. But I don’t think people should vote for him just because he went to ncsu, I think people should vote for him because of his stance on the issues.
4/26/2007 7:07:15 PM |
capymca All American 1013 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I think people should NOT vote for him because of his stance on the issues." |
4/26/2007 7:09:13 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
^^thats too easy to do
look at his track record of doing dumb things along with he and his wife saying dumb things that reveal their true "two americas"... the guy is full of shit, two-faced, and a liar... anyone with an education from this fine university should be able to see that.
I know you have a hard on for this grade A asshole, but you need to be honest with yourself about this tool
ok, let me get this straight... as many times as I heard knocks on the "character" of people that are on the right(IE Bush and his cronies), Mr. Edwards should be held just as accountable for the lies and feel good bullshit rhetoric he routinely spouts off at the mouth with.
Considering this is an NCSU community, his opinion about this school and his love affair for the folks in blue is a good enough reason to think he's treasonous and a opportunist
[Edited on April 26, 2007 at 8:25 PM. Reason : .02] 4/26/2007 8:21:18 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
I understand that you don't like him and have made that clear. You can argue against his stances, but don't expect me not to say why I like Edwards and his stances in a thread called "Edwards for President." Also I hope that you'll decide your vote based on something more than a sports rivalry. 4/26/2007 8:32:01 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
He seemed like the "dumb blonde" of the debate tonight 4/26/2007 8:32:57 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
his stances? how can you believe anything out of his mouth?
I have no clue what his stances are, he bullshits the people way too much
[Edited on April 26, 2007 at 8:34 PM. Reason : .]
[Edited on April 26, 2007 at 8:35 PM. Reason : s] 4/26/2007 8:34:04 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
^^Edwards on the last question where he was asked to pick a moral leader and he choose God first, then moved on to a few other people he respects and why... that seemed like he was a little taken aback. But I think he spoke intelligently on alot of other issues. And he seemed to have more specific numbers than any others especially on environment & oil issues. 4/26/2007 8:41:10 PM |
capymca All American 1013 Posts user info edit post |
^
His moral leader is money.
PERSONAL INJURY TRIAL LAWYER 4/26/2007 8:43:06 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
^^^Here are some of his stances.
Quote : | " Restoring America's Moral Leadership in the World America's leadership role in the world has grown out of our compassion and moral strength, as well as our unparalleled economic and military strength. We can be proud of our long history of using our strength to fight for the freedom of others, but our standing in the world has been badly tarnished. America can once again be looked up to and respected around the world. The first step is by immediately withdrawing 40,000-50,000 troops from Iraq, with the complete withdrawal of all combat troops from Iraq within 12-18 months -- allowing the Iraqis to assume greater responsibility for rebuilding their own country. It also means working to restore our legitimacy by leading on the great challenges before us like the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the genocide in Darfur, extreme poverty, and living up to our ideals in the fight against terrorism. Guaranteeing Affordable, Quality Health Care for Every American The 47 million uninsured Americans often do not get the care they need. Each year, about 18,000 die as a result. Despite the problems of the uninsured and unnecessarily low quality care, our health care system is the most expensive in the world and insurance premiums have grown faster than wages for almost 50 years. John Edwards believes we need to reform our health care system to provide truly universal coverage - not mere access to insurance - and get better care at lower cost. Read More » Eliminating Poverty Every day, 37 million Americans wake in poverty. Our response to that reality says everything about the character of America. John Edwards has called for a national goal of eliminating poverty within 30 years, with policies rooted in the core American values of opportunity for everyone and responsibility from everyone. We can reach that goal by creating and rewarding work, strengthening families, helping workers save and get ahead, transforming our schools, expanding access to college, breaking up areas of concentrated poverty, reaching overlooked rural areas, and expecting people to help themselves by working whenever they are able. Read More » Strengthening America's Middle Class The backbone of America is its middle class. But middle class families are struggling. Wages have fallen in recent years even as the economy has grown. At the same time, the costs of necessities like health care, child care, and education have grown. President Bush's tax policies have increased the share of the tax burden borne by middle-class workers. Our economic policies must reward work, help families save for the future, and fight the rising costs of middle-class life. Leading the Fight against Global Warming and Our Addiction to Foreign Oil Our nation's dependence on oil and other fossil fuels is contributing to global warming and jeopardizing our national security. To protect our future, John Edwards believes that Americans must be patriotic about something other than the war. We must act now by investing in clean, renewable energies like wind, solar, and biofuels to create a new energy economy, developing a new generation of efficient cars and trucks, and putting new energy-saving technologies to work in buildings, transportation, and industry. Read More » " |
I think his ideas on helping people work their way our of poverty are good. I think that treating health issues early can be less expensive than sending people to the ER down the road. And that with the other ideas and system reworkings that Edwards goals are achievable ones.
Quote : | "Edwards suggested creating 1 million temporary jobs over five years. The jobs would be reserved for individuals who cannot find other work after six months of looking, pay the minimum wage, and last up to 12 months. In return, workers must show up and work hard, stay off drugs, do not commit any crimes, and pay child support. Studies have shown that these programs are successful moving people into permanent jobs. Jobs would be chosen carefully with local business and labor leaders to meet local needs without displacing existing workers. " |
Quote : | "Create Opportunity in Rural America. Nearly 90 percent of America's poorest counties are rural, and many have been hit hard by the struggles of the U.S. manufacturing and textile industries. Edwards believes in investing more in rural community colleges to strengthen "mid-skilled" industries and linking training to actual business needs. He also supports rural small business centers to build rural economies around homegrown businesses." |
Quote : | "STRENGTHENING EDUCATION Expand College Opportunity: In Greene County, North Carolina, Edwards helped launch a College for Everyone program that is helping students attend college this fall. He has proposed a similar national program where students who agree to work part-time during their first year at a public college would get their tuition paid. Research has shown that the first year of college is the most difficult one, where additional student aid can make the greatest difference. [Dynarski, 1999; Census, 2005]
Create Second-Chance Schools for High School Dropouts: As many as one-third of all students drop out of school, and the rates are even worse for poor and minority students. Almost a third of dropouts between the ages of 25 and 34 live in poverty. Large majorities of recent dropouts regret their decision and now believe that a high school degree is the key to good jobs. Edwards believes that we should create second-chance schools, including some in evenings and at community colleges, to help former dropouts get back on track. [Civic Enterprises, 2006; Manhattan Institute, 2006; Urban Institute, 2001]
Strengthen Public Schools: Edwards suggested expanding access to preschool programs such as Head Start and North Carolina's Smart Start, investing more in teacher pay and training to attract good teachers where we need them most, and strengthening high schools with smaller schools and a more challenging curriculum. " |
4/26/2007 8:45:48 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
Why would the Democrats vote for someone who says they pray every day? 4/26/2007 8:47:54 PM |
RevoltNow All American 2640 Posts user info edit post |
90% + of this country believes in God last time I saw a poll on the subject. 50% of this country votes for Democrats.
Im pretty sure they will be ok with it. 4/26/2007 10:09:45 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "We've taken action together before to end the War in Iraq—and now I need you to step up once again.
As you've heard, in the last 48 hours both houses of Congress passed a bill to fund the troops with a clear timeline to end the war. Bush's inevitable veto will probably happen in less than 4 days.
It's time for us to spring into action. Congress is deciding what to do next, and many in Washington think it's time to give in. It's up to all of us to make sure that doesn't happen.
We've got about 96 hours to flood Washington with the names and comments of constituents calling on Congress to stand firm. We're aiming to deliver 100,000 signatures and comments from all over the country before Congress decides its next move.
If you are with us on this, we need you to add your name right now, at:
http://www.johnedwards.com/action/sign-petitions/standfirm" |
4/28/2007 7:03:03 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "When Bush vetoes, Congress must send him another funding bill with a binding plan to end the war" |
translation: when bush vetos, we'll send him another bill that he'll veto...then we'll send him another bill that he'll veto...we need your help in keeping this neverending cycle going!4/28/2007 7:05:36 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
My guess is if he says no to a binding resolution, then they will try a non-binding resolution.
I can't imagine he'd say no to that, I mean of course he'd make like he doesn't want a non-binding, but I don't think he'd veto 2 bills to fund troops in a row.
If that is his plan then he should have planned to fund his war originally, instead of not including it in the budget then waiting until its an “emergency” budget. 4/28/2007 7:10:24 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
Well Edwards says "another funding bill with a binding plan to end the war"
But isnt that kind of the main difference in Congress' v Bush's view on this whole process? Bush refuses to sign a binding timetable deal, and the Democrats seem to be refusing to propose a non-binding since a non-binding bill wouldnt definitely end the occupation] 4/28/2007 7:48:52 PM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
my guess is that there will be a deal and a bill will be passed funding the troops for a limited time and then there will be some sort of built-in re-evaluation to see how the current plan is working (perhaps until september -- that is the date the bush admin has been saying for when the current surge should be judged to see if it works) 4/28/2007 7:52:15 PM |
ben94gt All American 5084 Posts user info edit post |
Why dont they just say, we arent going to approve anymore money for this shit, and youll be forced to bring them home, seems like that would be a better idea than a funding bill with a timetable that will get vetoed. 4/28/2007 8:57:23 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It's time for hundreds of thousands and hopefully millions of Americans to act—and that starts with you. Congress has finally passed a binding plan to end the war. Bush is definitely going to veto. What Congress does next is up to us.
You've already signed the petition telling Congress to stand up to Bush on Iraq—and thanks for doing that. But this week is our best chance to end the war since it began, and we all need to take an extra step.
So here's what I'm asking: Make a commitment to getting 1 friend—just one—to sign on with you. First forward this note, or write your own note and add the link. And then follow up—call them, stop by their office at work—whatever it takes to get their attention.
Here's the link to the petition:
http://www.johnedwards.com/standfirm
Why is this petition so important?
Congress is about to enter a world of pain from the Bush administration's spin machine.
They'll be called cowards, defeatists, and blamed at every turn for Bush's decision to de-fund the troops. We've got to raise our voice louder than all of that—showing Congress that the American people see through the spin and we are all counting on them to stick to their plan.
We may not get another chance like this. It's time to act.
Thanks,
Joe Trippi Senior Advisor John Edwards for President " |
I'm sure thats true, I wonder to what degree though.
I think Obama may go along with something like this, but I'm less sure on Hillary for taking a position of standing firm against the war once it actually starts getting a little rougher.
[Edited on April 30, 2007 at 9:18 PM. Reason : .]4/30/2007 9:14:52 PM |
Kay_Yow All American 6858 Posts user info edit post |
^ Generally people don't promote a petition that's directed towards themselves. 5/1/2007 12:34:25 AM |
capymca All American 1013 Posts user info edit post |
The Dem's just need to realize that the timetable to withdrawing from Iraq is currently at about 20 months. Stop wasting time with bills that either aren't going to be passed or will be vetoed. Fund the troops, let them do their job, if it isn't improving by Feb 2009, the next Prez (dem or repub) will definately get them out. 5/1/2007 12:36:13 AM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
You can find more rallies here: http://johnedwards.com/r/12075/813727/
But I've listed the ones for NC.
Quote : | "Four years ago today, George Bush landed an S-3B Viking jet on the USS Lincoln and told America that major combat operations were over—mission accomplished. It wasn't. The troops have done everything they were asked. They deserve a hero's welcome. They deserve to come home.
Last November, we sent a new Congress to Washington with their own mission: stand up to President Bush and end the war. Congress has taken a critical first step, but it's up to us to make sure they finish the job." |
Quote : | "Events in your area: click on an event name to sign up 02 May 06:00 PM No Bush veto on the Iraq supplemental bill - 0 miles away Chapel Hill Post Office 35 registered participant(s) (500 maximum) Franklin St Chapel Hill, NC 27514 Description handicap accessible 02 May 05:00 PM anti-veto rally - 8 miles away Main St. & Gregson 25 registered participant(s) (100 maximum) Main St. & Gregson St. Durham, NC 27701 Description Attend the rally to express our concern for elevating the war in Iraq any further - bring our troops home safe! 02 May 04:00 PM Can You Hear Us Now?! - 25 miles away Moore Square, downtown Raleigh (Blount and Hargett) 29 registered participant(s) (150 maximum) Moore Square, downtown Raleigh (Blount and Hargett) Raleigh, NC 27601 Description This is another great opportunity to help end the war. For those of you unfamiliar with this location, it is an outdoor public square in downtown Raleigh. It is accessible.
02 May 05:00 PM Iraq Accountability Veto Protest - 44 miles away Greensboro Center City Park near N Davie St. 8 registered participant(s) (500 maximum) 122 N. Elm Street Greensboro, NC 27403 Description Come, Bring Signs to protest Bush's veto of the Iral Accountability Act 2007 We'll spend an hour or more protesting on the corner of of the Greensboro city park near Cafe Europa. Everyone needs to know that We support the troops by means of Phased Withdrawl by 2008! Bring ANYTHING COLORFUL AND/OR LOUD AND ATTENTION GETTING
02 May 05:30 PM Rally Against the Veto - 129 miles away Sidewalk in front of Rep. Patrick McHenry's Hickory Office 11 registered participant(s) (100 maximum) 87 4th St NW Suite A Hickory, NC 28601 Description This is an emergency response action. Bush is expected to veto the Iraq Accountability Act Wednesday, May 2nd. Our plan is to have a Rally Against the Veto that same afternoon at 5:30pm. If you'd like to attend please register through the link provided. We're setting Wednesday, May 2nd as our national rally day. Hundreds of rallies across the country have been organized by members of MoveOn, True Majority, Working Assets, US Action, and other coalition partners. Together, we'll raise a clear call to Congress: stand firm on ending the war and tell the President to stop ignoring the will of the American people. Most Americans support a timeline and the President is standing in the way. It's time to take action. Don't forget the noisemakers and signs. 02 May 05:00 PM Veto Rally - 133 miles away Wilmington City Hall, 3rd &Princess Streets 9 registered participant(s) (300 maximum) Wilmington City Hall, 3rd & Princess Street Wilmington, NC 28401 Description This is a rally to protest Bush's veto of the funding bill Congress sent him. DATE ANNOUNCED: WEDNESDAY, 5 PM, IT'S THE ANNIVERSARY OF BUSH'S DECLARATION OF "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED." BRING NOISEMAKERS TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
02 May 05:00 PM IRAQ FUNDING VETO RALLY - 183 miles away POLK COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY PARKING LOT ROUTE 108 COLUMBUS, NC 0 registered participant(s) (500 maximum) 1289 W.MILLS ST. (HIWAY 108) COLUMBUS, NC 28722 Directions: I-26 TO ROUTE 108 TOWARD TRYON. LIBRARY ON LEFT AND SHARES PARKING AREA WITH ISOTHERMAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE Description GW BUSH IS DOING ANYTHING HE CAN TO SALVAGE HIS PRESIDENTIAL LEGACY. LET HIM KNOW HE CANNOT DO THIS WITH THE LIVES OF OUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN IN THE MILITARY AND IRAQI CIVILIANS AND CHILDREN. VOICE YOUR INSISTANCE TO ACCEPT THE TIMELINE PUT FORTH BY CONGRESS.IT IS WHAT WE HAVE ASKED CONGRESS TO DO FOR OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. " |
[Edited on May 1, 2007 at 5:23 PM. Reason : .]5/1/2007 5:17:00 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1616724,00.html?cnn=yes
Quote : | "Edwards Rejects the "War on Terror"
"This political language has created a frame that is not accurate and that Bush and his gang have used to justify anything they want to do," Edwards said in a phone interview from Everett, Wash. "It's been used to justify a whole series of things that are not justifiable, ranging from the war in Iraq, to torture, to violation of the civil liberties of Americans, to illegal spying on Americans. Anyone who speaks out against these things is treated as unpatriotic. I also think it suggests that there's a fixed enemy that we can defeat with just a military campaign. I just don't think that's true."
" |
5/2/2007 2:56:38 PM |
Scuba Steve All American 6931 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The Dem's just need to realize that the timetable to withdrawing from Iraq is currently at about 20 months. Stop wasting time with bills that either aren't going to be passed or will be vetoed. Fund the troops, let them do their job, if it isn't improving by Feb 2009, the next Prez (dem or repub) will definately get them out." |
They said this four years ago when we were "mission accomplished". I am not willing to let a couple thousand more US troops die because a few selfish republicans are worried about their political careers. We cannot win this war and prolonging a mistake is the wrong thing to do.
END THE WAR NOW
[Edited on May 2, 2007 at 3:21 PM. Reason : .]5/2/2007 3:21:01 PM |
capymca All American 1013 Posts user info edit post |
^
Actually they weren't. When Bush said that major combat operations were over (which they were, by the way), his approval rating was something like 77%. No one was arguing to get out of Iraq at that point.
The point is, Bush has made it clear that he isn't going to bring (a majority of) the troops home unless things get alot better. Well that isn't gonna happen in a year, so what is the point of passing a bill that he is going to veto anyway? That sounds like the Dem's are only worried about posturing to look better for their own careers.
Both sides have screwed up beyond words....and they both need to stop playing politics.
[Edited on May 2, 2007 at 3:34 PM. Reason : .] 5/2/2007 3:34:12 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
5/2/2007 3:41:44 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
The democratic congress was elected in large part as a referendum on the war with the goals of making this not an indefinite war, and to bring the troops home.
”Bush has made it clear that he isn't going to…” Advanced notice for bad behavior is no excuse for bad behavior.
The dems will probably try with something non-binding, or bench marks next. Which I believe Bush has also said he will veto, but atleast it’ll be some compromise from the dems original position.
If Bush was really concerned about funding for the troops, he would have either planned for this in the normal budget instead of emergency budgets, or he’d accept some level of compromise.
But only taking emergency budgets, and only ones that allow indefinite war makes it seem like the stubbornness is coming more from one side than the other. (And I don’t mean dem vs rep, I mean everyone else vs the pres, b/c more rep’s are bound to jump on board to the benchmark version of the bill). 5/2/2007 3:49:03 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The dems will probably try with something non-binding, or bench marks next. Which I believe Bush has also said he will veto, but atleast it’ll be some compromise from the dems original position." |
Huh? The whole reason Bush vetoed the previous bill was because it had a specific timeline for withdrawal...why would he veto a bill that didn't have any specific timelines for withdrawal?5/2/2007 3:51:47 PM |
Kay_Yow All American 6858 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Well that isn't gonna happen in a year, so what is the point of passing a bill that he is going to veto anyway?" |
It increases the pressure on the President, by making sure that people know that he's the person who's preventing the country from having a withdrawal strategy...and it increases pressure on those vulnerable Republicans, who are flying in the face of public opinion, by forcing them to put their names on record as supporting an endless troop commitment.
Quote : | "they both need to stop playing politics." |
This has always struck me as a specious argument--what does that even mean?5/2/2007 3:59:10 PM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Did anybody else see Edwards on This Week? Good Lord, he never looked more like a weasel--flippin' and floppin', duckin' and dodgin'. It was laughable--if you elect this guy, you deserve him.
http://abcnews.go.com/politics 5/7/2007 3:42:21 AM |
EarthDogg All American 3989 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It increases the pressure on the President," |
It could increase pressure on the Dems as well.
Both parties are hoping that the public will blame the other party for withholding funding for the troops. It's a big gamble.
"I can't carry around in my head every little thing I've said" -- John Edwards explaining his flip-flops.5/7/2007 11:06:09 AM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P0DMAG1&show_article=1&catnum=3
hahah this guy is an idiot
he takes money from an offshore hedge fund to "learn about the poor"
L O FREAKIN L 5/8/2007 9:28:59 PM |
EarthDogg All American 3989 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " Edwards says he worked for hedge fund to learn more Associated Press May 8, 2007 : 8:57 pm ET
HEDGE FUND LESSON: Democrat John Edwards said working for a hedge fund between presidential campaigns helped him learn about financial markets and their relationship to poverty, though he also says it was good money. The presidential candidate worked part time with Fortress Investment Group.
BIG BUCKS: Edwards wouldn't say how much he made for the consulting work, but the amount will be revealed when he releases his financial disclosure forms this month. The former senator from North Carolina is a multimillionaire after years as a trial lawyer.
DRAWING INVESTORS: Edwards said it's fair to ask questions about whether there is a contradiction between campaigning against poverty while working for a hedge fund designed to make rich people richer. Hedge funds traditionally cater to the rich, as well as pension funds and university endowments. They are increasingly luring less wealthy investors. " |
If the story gets enough coverage, will this be the incident that ends his campaign? It will take all his trial lawyer experience to squirm out of this one.5/9/2007 12:52:52 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
How many impoverished people own stocks? 5/9/2007 5:12:14 PM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
talk about double standards. all the candidates (except gravel) are rich. i'm sure they all own stocks. i wish people would separate what people do in their private life from what they do in their political sphere. i'm not the biggest edwards fan in the world, but this is a non-issue to me. the very people who will bring this up would have no problem with a republican doing the very same thing.
one thing that i guess MIGHT bother me about this is that edwards didn't just say "i'm trying to make money like everyone else." his response to it was pretty cheesy and unlikely. 5/9/2007 5:15:40 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
i dont think its so much a republican or democrat doing the same thing...i think its edwards, the most vocal candidate as far as helping the poor, having this job...just like gore wouldnt get shit for flying all over in a gas guzzling private jet if he wasnt such a vocal preacher of anthro climate change 5/9/2007 5:17:32 PM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
but that's the thing. what does him making money have to do with wanting to help the poor?
the gore thing i understand, at least in principle, this i don't
it's not like telling people to not invest their money is part of his platform
[Edited on May 9, 2007 at 5:19 PM. Reason : .] 5/9/2007 5:18:26 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
because edwards' bullshit excuse about working there mostly to learn about how economics affects poor people is absurd
what poor people own stocks??
what can you learn about poverty by working with a bunch of rich people?] 5/9/2007 5:20:55 PM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
yeah i thought his excuse was stupid. but overall, this really isn't a big deal at all. 5/9/2007 5:21:42 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
i agree its not, because everyone already knows he is as big a hypocrite as anyone when it comes to his stance on poverty...its just reaffirmation 5/9/2007 5:24:45 PM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
how does investing money make him a hypocrite? 5/9/2007 5:25:09 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
TWO AMERICAS!
lawl
[Edited on May 9, 2007 at 5:26 PM. Reason : in mine we get to cut in line at wally world to buy a PS3] 5/9/2007 5:25:54 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It was primarily to learn, but making money was a good thing, too" |
^^ok maybe not a hypocrite...maybe just a blatant liar5/9/2007 5:28:12 PM |
HockeyRoman All American 11811 Posts user info edit post |
He and Al Gore have to share a tent in the wilderness before they can claim to be pro environment and for the aiding of poor people. 5/9/2007 6:17:00 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
no, but they could quit trying to tell other people how they should be forced to live their lives
I don't give a shit about Al Gores place or house
I don't give a shit about Johnny's house either
they've got the money to do that stuff...
but I do care when they do as they please, then try to take my money and legislate how I'm supposed to live
[Edited on May 9, 2007 at 6:23 PM. Reason : s] 5/9/2007 6:22:32 PM |
HockeyRoman All American 11811 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "no, but they could quit trying to tell other people how they should be forced to live their lives" |
The same goes for all the right-wingers, right?5/9/2007 6:25:52 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
yep
goes for any politician 5/9/2007 6:27:12 PM |
EarthDogg All American 3989 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "what does him making money have to do with wanting to help the poor? " |
Because he is personally widening the gap between his self-proclaimed Two Americas. He in his position of ultra-richness is trying to get elected and raise taxes on the rest of us who are trying to get to where he is. He's like the kid at the top of the hill throwing rocks down at the other kids trying to climb up.5/9/2007 11:25:25 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Memorial Day Weekend is a time to honor all the brave men and women throughout our history who have served in our armed forces, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice to safeguard our freedom. I believe it is our duty to use that freedom to stand up for those now serving in the most meaningful way that we can—by thanking them, supporting them, and bringing them home to a hero’s welcome.
It's time to support the troops. For far too long, George Bush has abused the rhetoric of patriotism to silence his critics and paper over the devastating cost of his war to the country we love. Our troops have served bravely and sacrificed without hesitation. Yet they are now paying the price for Bush's stubborn pursuit of his failed strategy in Iraq. Our troops deserve far better, and we all have a responsibility to stand up for them.
So this Memorial Day Weekend, I'm asking every one of us to take a stand for the troops and against the war. Let's reclaim patriotism for all of us who love our country, support our troops and fiercely believe in our hearts that this war must end now.
There are many ways we can take action this Memorial Day. We've prepared 10 ideas to get you started, like sending care packages for the troops or holding public gathering to speak out for the troops and against the war. What matters most is that you take action in a way that honors our troops and feels right to you.
To sign up to take action or to see what actions others have planned near you, go to:
http://www.SupportTheTroopsEndTheWar.com
Thanks to your support, we were able to rush a full page ad to the Washington Post featuring most of the more than 115,000 names we've collected calling on Congress to end the war. But we have to do more. To stand up for our men and women in uniform and force this President to do the right thing, we must take extraordinary action.
For we are citizens. And as citizens, we must honor and support our troops for their service and sacrifice.
We are Americans. And as Americans, we give thanks for the blessing of their sacrifice and support, which keeps us safe and keeps us strong.
And we are patriots. And as patriots we must use our power and the responsibility that comes with it to push our government to support our troops in the most important way it can—by ending this war and bringing them home.
So this Memorial Day Weekend, let us gather as patriots. Wherever you are—with your family, with your friends, at a barbeque, at a parade, wherever you can be seen and be heard—first take a moment of silence to honor the fallen, and then let us raise our voices together and say:
We support our troops. End the war. Bring them home.
Because it is possible to stop a president who believes he can do no wrong—it just takes people with the courage to do what's right.
http://www.SupportTheTroopsEndTheWar.com
Thank you,
--John Edwards Monday, May 14, 2007" |
For all the rhetoric that comes from all camps in a presidential election, I like that theirs atleast is trying for fire up the left with patriotism. One of his lines from the debate was “it’s time for America to be patriotic about something other than war” and I think that’s something missing from the public mentality sometimes.5/14/2007 7:03:24 PM |