I don't know how it is possible, but this new Ralliart looks way cooler and hotter than the new Evo.

235 hp!

I would so get this one if I could.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080114.010/mitsubishi-lancer-ralliart-unveiled-at-detroit

1/19/2008 7:33:39 AM

i doubt it will handle like the Evo, though

although I'd WAAAAAY rather have a IX, anyway.

[Edited on January 19, 2008 at 11:39 AM. Reason : and I'm selling my IX, if that tells you anything about my opinion on the X.]

1/19/2008 11:39:22 AM

what are you going for now, duke?

1/19/2008 2:41:32 PM

Hopefully a sports car this time.

1/19/2008 3:00:45 PM

nigro might as well buy an escort of a civic.
he buys all these hyped up cars and just sells them. doesnt do much.

1/19/2008 3:05:59 PM

^along with half of TWW garage lol

1/19/2008 3:11:58 PM

exactly

1/19/2008 3:13:34 PM

did y'all see the post at the bottom of the previous page? it is about a new mitsu 2-door concept based loosely based on the lancer. hotness!

1/19/2008 3:35:50 PM

that is hot! probably will never see the light of day. Looks like an eclipse replacement

1/19/2008 4:20:42 PM

wtf is that? a reborn gallant?

1/19/2008 6:10:36 PM

Quote :

"what are you going for now, duke? "

man, i really don't know. in the immediate future, a big truck to trailer all of my stuff from WA back to NC (and to go skiing with this winter).

after that, I don't know. It looks like I'll be deployed so much once I get back to NC that I'll only really spend 3 months or so per year at home, so if that turns out to be the case, I'll probably get something fairly old and inexpensive, because there's no point in having a badass car that I'll barely get to drive. I'll just sock away the money and buy something REALLY kickass in a few years when I'm on a stateside, non-deploying tour.

Maybe another Miata...I'd say an earlier (although maybe early AP2) S2000 at most. Hell, I might just drive a cheap truck and buy a 5 year old sportbike for a few thousand bucks to satisfy my need for speed a little.

Quote :

"nigro might as well buy an escort of a civic. he buys all these hyped up cars and just sells them. doesnt do much. "

I've made thousands of more dollars flipping cars than I've lost.

Also, my lifestyle has changed a lot over the last few years, too...having a daughter, moving to northwestern Washington state, getting my ass sued off for child support, now a move back to NC, expecting to spend 75% of my time in either Iraq or away from home at training exercises, etc. Those changes have dictated (or at least encouraged) changes in cars.

Finally, I'll be the first to admit that there are a lot of cars I really like, and I have enjoy trying new stuff.

1/19/2008 7:27:11 PM

^^, ^^^

All sources point to it being the future Eclipse

And now some more news... A LANCER HATCH!!!

Official: Mitsubishi Prototype-S in Geneva

Quote :

"Tokyo, January 28, 2008 -- Mitsubishi Motors Corporation is to give the Prototype-S concept for a sports hatchback its global debut at the 78th Geneva International Motor Show which runs from March 4 through March 16 at the Geneva Palexpo exhibition and conference complex (opening to the general public on March 6.)"

More details here:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080129.008/official-mitsubishi-prototype-s-in-geneva

Artist's sketch:

1/29/2008 5:16:45 AM

Do they have any idea how ugly the cars they make are?

I do like the new lancer but that hatch....well.....even subaru knew just to copy mazda.

The eclipse, dont even get me started. Hands down the ugliest coupe available.

1/29/2008 7:51:05 AM

Are you blind

The new scubby doesn't remotely resemble a Mazda 3 outside the egg shape that all hatches share.

And all new mitsubishi's are hideous.

1/29/2008 9:54:37 AM

I hope the concept RA is at least "facially" indicative of the next eclipse.

-some version of that shape, since its way less heavy-handed than the current model
-diesel engine that meets CA emissions (200/310 is a nice target!)
-2 seats rather than 2+2 (I think there's room for the eclipse to be smaller now, what with all the roadsters and 350z that would be competition) and will make the possibility of it being usefully smaller and lighter more likely
-dual clutch trans
-4wd
-I like that the design seems to have prioritized elimination of erroneous components (there's a video on Automotive News of a conversation with the designer, who points out that eliminating the hood and insulation allowed a lower hoodline and weight reduction. I don't expect that to be an idea that works for production, but the whole "elimination of components" and "conservative content rather than exotic materials" is something I expect out of mazda, not mitsubishi. It's refreshing.

I'm rooting for them. The headlamps are pure fantasy though. too small and too low.

1/29/2008 11:42:13 AM

Quote :

"The new scubby doesn't remotely resemble a Mazda 3 outside the egg shape that all hatches share. "

durka durrrrrr

1/30/2008 6:08:19 PM

Got a ride to the shop (an hour from my house) from my buddy in his brand new Z06 vette...picked up my IX from Clutch Doctors. You'd think that one of the "Best Backed Cars In America" would've gotten fixed at the dealership with only 22k miles (hell, a couple of shops I called were dumbfounded and asked "Why don't you just take it to the dealer and get it fixed under warranty?).

$1099.80 (would've been about $1200, but the manager discounted the sales tax)

old clutch looked pretty beat up from what I could see with light from my cell phone...when i get a new laptop, i might post pics of my handiwork.

Awesome driving car (although it's being basically a $15k car with a $20k drivetrain and suspension), but I can't imagine buying another Mitsu unless it was no longer under warranty and I got an absolute giveaway price on it.

1/30/2008 7:01:22 PM

these speculations are pointless

Mitsu will likely be out of the US market, possibly within 5 years. They don't make cars that anyone wants, especially now that the new Evo is slow. All their basic cars are uglier and less reliable than the competition.

1/30/2008 7:25:39 PM

good. fuck 'em.

bunch of broke-ass ugly car-making, warranty denying, Evo pussy-fying, annoying commercial having motherfuckers.

1/30/2008 7:29:29 PM

Do what IX owners seem to be doing in droves, duke.

Twin Turbo I6 glory.

1/30/2008 10:40:51 PM

yeah, sweet ride for sure.

my roommate is about to buy one (or possibly a G37 or C6 vette, but almost certainly a 335i coupe).

i think i'm gonna go back to my smaller, pure sports car roots for the time being (or MAYBE a C5 vette) and get something less expensive to boot, since i'll be spending so much time deployed in the next couple of years.

of course, all bets are off once i rotate back to another non-deploying job with all of that deployment and combat pay socked away...I'm thinking either M3 or Lotus (although we all know that I can change my mind 10 times in a month, much less 3 years).

1/30/2008 11:45:31 PM

You're going to be back in an s2000. You miss the 150 ft/lbs and we all know it .




[Edited on January 31, 2008 at 8:19 AM. Reason : .]

1/31/2008 8:15:12 AM

I have a serious boner for the e90 M3. SERIOUS.

I do wish there was an option for a fast, light, and much cheaper true sports car (with more then 5lbs of torque, sorry quinn).

I'm kind of hoping the 1 series tii will fill that gap, but who knows.

135i weighs in at 3500~lbs which I think is more then silly.

1/31/2008 10:57:11 AM

sound a lot like me

the vette makes great numbers, but it feels like a freight train compared to an S2000 or Evo...it lacks that snappy, agile, mongoose-reflex "feel".


I had high hopes for the 135i, too, but after finding out about the final product, I don't see any reason to get it over a 335i.

1/31/2008 2:16:30 PM

There really isn't any.

120~lbs weight savings is nothing.

1/31/2008 3:15:18 PM

Quote :

"I do wish there was an option for a fast, light, and much cheaper true sports car (with more then 5lbs of torque, sorry quinn). "

Boxster S


no m3 is a sports car.

[Edited on January 31, 2008 at 6:29 PM. Reason : .]

1/31/2008 6:29:06 PM

^i think he said cheaper.

1/31/2008 7:08:50 PM

ok well I hate to be the bearer(sp) of bad news but torque = weight.

[Edited on February 1, 2008 at 6:30 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2008 6:28:43 PM

yep.

i really don't give a shit about torque.

i mean, it's nice...i enjoyed it in my 330ci and in the 'vettes I've driven...but it's not ultimately that big of a deal to me.

2/1/2008 6:34:29 PM

An m3 isn't a sports car?

Are you retarded?

2/1/2008 7:05:02 PM

technically, sports car should have 2 seats only...

2/1/2008 7:33:17 PM

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CAR MAGZ

LAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

2/1/2008 10:55:35 PM

a small, high-powered automobile with long, low lines, usually seating two persons.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sports%20car

I mean, having a back seat and having a usable back seat are two different yet equally insurance scamming things.

signed - Porsche

2/2/2008 2:06:57 PM

Quote :

"An m3 isn't a sports car? Are you retarded?"

are you? suggesting that an m3 is anything more than sports sedan at best is laughable.

2/2/2008 2:58:46 PM

Sedan?




Ps- Its not the same chassis as the 4 door.

2/2/2008 4:06:44 PM

yeah, sedan... 2 door or 4 door.

[Edited on February 2, 2008 at 4:19 PM. Reason : 2+2 sports car /= 4 seater 2 door sedan]

2/2/2008 4:17:35 PM

Yea you're right.

I think the terminology for sports car needs to be updated when a majority of the worlds sports cars are being outperformed by 2 ton sedans.

2/2/2008 7:03:53 PM

Speed doesnt have anything to do with it.

2/2/2008 9:12:29 PM

^^not really, things haven't changed that much.

^truth. look at all the early british roadsters, etc. for example. most people consider them to be the driving force or "essence" of what became the mainstream sports car segment. even by the standards of those days, power was nothing exceptional. many larger and less performance oriented cars (particularly large v8 domestics) could out perform them in some areas, especially speed/acceleration.

what makes a sports car a sports car is that it's main purpose is to be sporty. everything else takes a back seat (pun intented). something like an m3 is certainly aimed at being sporty, but it's also supposed to provide luxury, comfort, and adequate seating/storage for 4 adults and their stuff.

2/3/2008 1:13:51 AM

Quote :

" truth. look at all the early british roadsters, etc. for example. most people consider them to be the driving force or "essence" of what became the mainstream sports car segment. even by the standards of those days, power was nothing exceptional. many larger and less performance oriented cars (particularly large v8 domestics) could out perform them in some areas, especially speed/acceleration. "

By 'most' people you probably mean the .01% of automotive enthusiasts that love fixing their cars as they drive them. British cars by and large have been terrible with few notable exceptions that were excellent more for their gorgeous design and eccentric personality rather then performance.

Quote :

" what makes a sports car a sports car is that it's main purpose is to be sporty. everything else takes a back seat (pun intented). something like an m3 is certainly aimed at being sporty, but it's also supposed to provide luxury, comfort, and adequate seating/storage for 4 adults and their stuff. "

You can order a Ferrari F430 with hand stitched exotic leather and personalized interior exceeding the luxury of any 3 series. Is a the F430 not a sports car because it has 'luxury'? Oh it's intent isn't luxury, that must be the definition we're using then, right?

Because if thats the case, I'd certainly would think the M3 is aimed purely at being sporty as all M cars are seeing how it outperforms a 335i on track by a noticeable margin (which itself outperforms s2000's, Miatas, and Solstice's- aka 'sports' cars) without gaining any extra ultra luxury options.

Obviously the dictionary disagrees with me on the definition of a sports car, but given that an M3 is just plain better in every single automotive category not involving the letters 'mpg' then any of the other mentioned 'sports' cars then I'd logically conclude that the term is either an anachronism or needs to be changed.

2/3/2008 4:23:54 AM

f430 is technically a supercar or exotic i believe.

by your logic, we'd have to start calling pontiac gto's, v8 versions of pony cars, and the latest generation of ford lightnings sports cars... using the existing guidelines, it keeps cars grouped much more accordingly.

your point that maybe the names of the different segments should change is valid, but the criteria shouldn't.

the m3 still has plenty of competition to deal with in it's current sport sedan/saloon class, why does it need to be a sports car also? the sedan part is simply designating the chassis/body style, the word sports is still there.

2/3/2008 5:03:26 AM

both of you have good points. although most definitions list sports as being a 2-seater, it is hard to argue this subject as you can list so many cars that may or may not give you a notion of a sports car. it's a moot point.

2/3/2008 10:30:06 AM

Quote :

"Obviously the dictionary disagrees with me on the definition of a sports car, but given that an M3 is just plain better in every single automotive category not involving the letters 'mpg' then any of the other mentioned 'sports' cars then I'd logically conclude that the term is either an anachronism or needs to be changed."

Speed has nothing to do with it. Did you read your own definition? If you want to make an m3 is a fast car thread that is one thing (durrr IT IS). It doesnt have anything to do with what you are argueing.

Youre not going to get a free lunch with any car. Youre going to pay for performance. Some obviously give you more for your money. I personally think it is a funny to see someone buy a 45k coupe that weighs 3500lbs and claim its a sports car because it has a twin turbo engine and a RWD drivetrain. The 335i is a luxury car, it isnt a sports car. It has has nothing to due with how fast the 335i is from 0-60. Can it beat sports cars in certain speed tests? You've stated how you feel on that multiple times failing to just accept it doesnt matter because this is a stupid arguement.

By your own logic a 328i is a sports car.










[Edited on February 3, 2008 at 1:02 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2008 12:53:09 PM

PURESTRAIN SPORTS CAR

2/3/2008 12:54:53 PM

new evo ran 0-60 in 4.6 in the new c&D this month... comparison test v R32 and Sti... sti came last... they thrashed it... reading the article honestly made me feel like lining up for an r32...

2/6/2008 11:39:27 PM

or just buy a IX

the X may be the best in class, but it's still gay

2/7/2008 12:21:49 AM

Quote :

"the X may be the best in class, but it's still gay"

2/7/2008 2:56:43 AM

so puritan's like to burn?

give me an 80s supercharged mr2 anyday.

2/7/2008 8:00:12 AM

you're all ricer fags for not giving the 'vette enough respect.

i'd take a C6 vette as a track car over anything mentioned in this thread w/o thinking twice.

Quote :

"the vette makes great numbers, but it feels like a freight train compared to an S2000 or Evo...it lacks that snappy, agile, mongoose-reflex "feel". "

This is retarded. Lets compare national autox as a measure of 'snappy, agile, mongoose-reflex feel'. The corvette is consistently faster in stock form than both the S2000 and Evo and is even classed higher. Hell, looking at the 2007 National ProSolo Tour results, they beat the Lotus Elises in their class more often than not.

And on track it only gets better.

2/7/2008 8:33:38 AM

danny... dont get riled up. we're talking about magazine racers ricers here.

BTW how about some of you pussy EVO queers bring your cars to some rallyX's where your car is SUPPOSE to belong.

2/7/2008 8:53:58 AM