they have names you know

9/25/2007 5:00:46 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XKhRx3udxk

9/25/2007 11:49:02 AM

anybody who doesnt think jake is having a great season just doesnt know football, plain and simple

9/25/2007 12:02:26 PM

Delhomme hasn't blown a game...to me that's a great season for him. When we were great teams he was a good game manager, didn't make great plays, but didn't blow it either. I think that's key for him and we'll be successful...pending our DLine steps up the play

[Edited on September 25, 2007 at 12:14 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2007 12:13:44 PM

8 TDs and 1 INT is fine

our defense definitely needs more work

9/25/2007 12:15:12 PM

Something just doesn't seem right with Peppers...They were commenting on it during the game Sunday but I've thought that since week 1. He seems tired or just not into it...He was getting blocked and would just stop pushing.

9/25/2007 12:17:22 PM

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"Delhomme hasn't blown a game"

yet

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"anybody who doesnt think jake is having a great season just doesnt know football, plain and simple"

I said nothing of the sort.

Regardless, that still doesn't mean he's a consistent player. It means he's managed to not fuck up royally here in the first three games. While that's nice, we've got a long way to go before this is verifiably a great season for Delhomme. I'll be more than happy if it ends up being one, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Edited on September 25, 2007 at 12:41 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2007 12:32:35 PM

well all you've suggested was that Brady is a better QB than Delhomme

breaking news flash right there

9/25/2007 12:49:35 PM

I think the offense is the least of our worries right now. It's the fucking defense and special team, usually our strong areas, that are fucking up.

9/25/2007 12:54:28 PM

^^ Yep, that's obviously all I know about football. I've never seen Jake Delhomme blow a game in his life, and of course I don't know nearly enough to be able to evaluate him based on his own merit.

Look at his ratings in the past four seasons: they're in the 80-90 range, not the ~110 we've seen in the last few games here. Is it really so unreasonable to think that he may, at some point in the season, play like we've seen him play before? It doesn't matter that much since we still managed to get to the Superbowl in that period, but we relied really heavily on our defense. Right now, our defense needs some work, and Delhomme's possible turnovers could easily lose us games.

So excuse me for having some reservations about the guy. I will never have been happier to be wrong about anything in my life if he keeps it up. Maybe it wouldn't bother me as much if our defense got their act together.

9/25/2007 1:00:25 PM

everybody knows Delhomme isnt Brady or Manning...so what are you suggesting? you're just saying you're still not completely sold on Jake...thats fine...also you will never ever be completely sold on him unless he wins a Superbowl...he is a top 5 QB in the NFL right now strictly based on the first 3 weeks of the season and those stats...but those arent good enough!

9/25/2007 1:17:45 PM

The first three games of a season are supposed to tell me something about how his stats are going to look at the end of December? Come on now, be reasonable. I didn't say he couldn't be good: he is right now, that's true. Whether he'll continue to be is another matter completely. I never said I wouldn't be sold on him unless he wins a Superbowl. If he can somehow manage to keep up what he's been doing recently during the whole season, I'll be happy with him.

Stop trying to argue with me, you're getting nowhere.

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"I think the offense is the least of our worries right now. It's the fucking defense and special team, usually our strong areas, that are fucking up."

Seriously.

9/25/2007 1:44:38 PM

Peppers and Jenkins are playing like they are suddenly 5 years older. Our LBs have been very disappointing, and our secondary isn't good enough to shut down NFL corners/receivers without more out of the guys up front.


I see the Panthers front seven of the early 2000s this year...they have moved to Houston.

9/25/2007 2:10:48 PM

more than just our defense as a whole, I'm really disappointed in Julius Peppers.

All I saw from him last week was weak play and a batted down pass. Where is the Peppers we all know? Where is the guy that chased Vick down from behind? Where is that dominant presence that he used to bring?

[Edited on September 25, 2007 at 2:14 PM. Reason : ^Jenkins has been decent at least]

9/25/2007 2:12:14 PM

Jenkins has been somewhat effective, but he does look slower. And Dan Morgan has been completely ineffective.

9/25/2007 2:29:51 PM

I had zero hopes for Dan Morgan. He's injury prone and you really can't count on him.

We'll be drafting LB's for a few more years, unless we sign someone good,

9/25/2007 2:35:26 PM

I know it was just the Falcons, but it does feel good to get a win without Steve Smith having to have 8 receptions for 160 yds and 3 TDz

9/25/2007 2:50:12 PM

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"I had zero hopes for Dan Morgan. He's injury prone and you really can't count on him. "

I think letting Witherspoon go and resigning an injured Morgan was one of the worst front office moves in panthers history.

But yea, something definitly isn't right with Peppers

9/25/2007 3:05:26 PM

Found this today too

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"IN MY OPINION: Peppers must make presence felt, Panthers defensive end must change TOM SORENSEN Julius Peppers is a great athlete. He is not a great football player. Because he is 6-foot-7 and 283 pounds, runs like a tailback and carries the body fat of a receiver, we might expect too much. Peppers' agent is attempting to negotiate a new contract with Carolina. Perhaps he'll expect too much from the Panthers. Watching Julius against Atlanta on Sunday was like sitting in a meeting full of co-workers who had nothing to say but talked anyway. It was exhausting. Here comes Peppers unleashing his best "So You Think You Can Dance" moves on Falcons tackle Todd Weiner. There goes the play, away from Julius, around or through him. Peppers had as much impact as a ball boy. He had as many highlights as a Carolina kick returner. He had as many tackles as I did. In three games, Peppers has six tackles, four of which came during the opener. The NFL tracks such things and has Julius in a 37-way tie for 356th place. Among the players with whom he is tied are teammates Kris Jenkins (so far Carolina's best defensive lineman), Maake Kemoeatu, Kindal Moorehead and Marquand Manuel. Other notable names in the group are Fred Smoot and Johnny Jolly. Smoot is notable because this proves he is still in the league. Jolly is notable because if you're tied for 356th, you should think about changing your name. I think I saw Peppers bull-rush Weiner and knock him into the quarterback, but he was more likely to drop into coverage to pick up a receiver. Step right up and see the world's tallest cornerback. I know Peppers' athleticism enables him to do things others can't. I don't recall Indianapolis defensive end Dwight Freeney covering a guy going out for a pass. I don't know if he could. I do recall Freeney going after the quarterback. Could be a day game, could be a night game. Could be a Sunday, could be a Monday. Could be matched against one blocker, could be matched against three. If you're the quarterback, Dwight Freeney is coming. When Peppers commits to the rush, he can be better than Freeney. Against Minnesota last September, he played the greatest game I have seen a Panthers defender play. He had three sacks, blocked a field-goal attempt and regularly zig-zagged across the dirty fake grass to bring down the man with the ball. In October, he was named the league's defensive player of the month. But as the season went on, he wore down, apparently a victim of too many double-teams. He has not been heard from since. Fans need to hear his name Sunday. Without a rush, Tampa Bay quarterback Jeff Garcia, the free-agent acquisition of the offseason and a beautiful fit for Jon Gruden's offense, will cut up the home team. The easy thing to say is that Peppers isn't trying. We always say that when a great athlete slumps. I don't know if it's that simple. I know only that the rigors of NFL line play are such that everybody gets to take a few plays off. But nobody gets to take off September."

http://www.charlotte.com/507/story/291844.html

9/25/2007 3:35:23 PM

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"Peppers and Jenkins are playing like they are suddenly 5 years older. Our LBs have been very disappointing, and our secondary isn't good enough to shut down NFL corners/receivers without more out of the guys up front. "

pepps is a no show, but Jenkins and some of the back-ups are doing ok. LB's have been good in stopping the run game, but terrible in short over the middle routes (which have been killing us the past two games), and our safeties have shown good run support, and have caused multiple fumbles....but you're right about them being bad in coverage. Also, our run game is showing signs of life, and the pass game isn't bad.

Two things really bother me:


our coaching - see below (fox is almost too level headed and it trickles down to the rest of the team). we quit in the houston game (throwing passes to the middle of the field, down by 2 scores, 5 min to go, and no timeouts). and our conservative D play.

and

the team's overall attitude and lack of fire (smitty and jake are the only ones who act like they care to be out there).

9/25/2007 3:54:56 PM

hopefully big Jenks' comments will light fires under all our asses

9/25/2007 3:55:36 PM

Quote :

" Delhomme (elbow injury) sits out practice Associated Press, Updated 30 minutes ago CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) - Carolina Panthers quarterback Jake Delhomme's strained right elbow forced him to miss practice Wednesday, leaving his status uncertain for Sunday's game against Tampa Bay. Linebacker Dan Morgan (ankle) and guard Jeremy Bridges (toe) also sat out the workout. Delhomme was injured when he was sacked by John Abraham late in the third quarter of Sunday's win over Atlanta. He played into the next series, when he winced in pain after throwing a short pass to Brad Hoover. David Carr took over and led Carolina on two scoring drives to snap a tie. Carr, who was 3-of-4 for 56 yards, would start against the Buccaneers if Delhomme can't go. An MRI on Monday showed no structural damage to Delhomme's elbow. But he did not dress for practice Wednesday and left during the workout to get treatment. Delhomme said he still hopes to play Sunday. "I haven't grabbed a ball and tried to throw it. That's when I can really tell you," Delhomme said. "I don't want to do that yet. I want to let things calm down. "I did watch film yesterday, so it wasn't like I've already thrown in the towel." Coach John Fox would not provide any further information on Delhomme's injury. Morgan left the Falcons game in the first half with what was called a shoulder injury. After returning, he went out again with a leg injury and it was announced Monday he's suffering from tendinitis. Bridges was one of three linemen with toe injuries. Defensive end Mike Rucker and tackle Travelle Wharton were limited in practice. Wharton said he was sure he would play against the Bucs. Also Wednesday, the Panthers signed quarterback Quinton Porter to the practice squad and released running back Alex Haynes. "

Looks like we might get to see what Carr can do for a full game. My only concern is that the bucs aren't the same pushover that they've been for the past 4 years.

9/26/2007 10:35:02 PM

This will be like that time we switched from jay davis to marcus stone

9/26/2007 10:45:24 PM

thats a joke right

9/26/2007 10:47:01 PM

the one thing i can say about carr is that he makes kerry kolber look like jerry rice

9/26/2007 10:59:01 PM

kerry kolber?

is that suzy kolbers brother or something

(KEARY COLBERT)

9/26/2007 11:09:15 PM

I'm gonna watch the Kohlbare Repoir after the Daily Show tonight

9/26/2007 11:13:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0BF_UDHc-0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XKhRx3udxk&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k67DS0cmQE&mode=related&search=

enjoy!

9/27/2007 1:41:59 AM

Kearry, c'mon how many different ways are they gonna spell kerry

9/27/2007 1:50:46 AM

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"I think letting Witherspoon go and resigning an injured Morgan was one of the worst front office moves in panthers history. "

9/27/2007 6:15:09 AM

still though...what has Spoon done in St. Louis? Been a part of one of the worst run defenses in the league the past 2 years? Spoon was a great player to have....playing OLB with Morgan in the middle...I think the last 20 Rams games have made it very clear that Spoon was not in fact worth the money he was asking for

9/27/2007 11:04:41 AM

^yep, I was gonna say that, not worth 6 years- 36 millions.

9/27/2007 11:08:06 AM

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"With Delhomme's status uncertain, Carr could start for Panthers vs. Bucs Associated Press Updated: September 27, 2007, 1:19 PM ET CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Jake Delhomme missed practice again Thursday with a strained right elbow, making it more likely backup David Carr will start at quarterback for Carolina on Sunday against Tampa Bay. Panthers coach John Fox, always secretive with injuries, sidestepped a question on whether Delhomme tried to throw. "He did not participate [in practice]," Fox said. "That's all .. I've got to say and that's all I'm going to say. You know that." Carr, signed by Carolina in the offseason after being a five-year starter in Houston, led Carolina on two scoring drives in relief against Atlanta after Delhomme left the game late in the third quarter. Linebackers Dan Morgan (ankle) and Adam Seward (calf) and guard Jeremy Bridges (toe) also missed practice for a second straight day. Tackle Travelle Wharton and defensive end Mike Rucker returned to practice after being limited in Wednesday's workout with toe injuries. "

9/27/2007 2:10:15 PM

It's odd, because before the year began many people looked at last season and thought that Carr might get the nod over Delhomme for the starting spot.

But, looking at this season, I find myself much more worried about the Bucs game with Carr up for the start instead of Delhomme.

Either way, though, I agree that the defense HAS to do something if we're going to beat Tampa. ZERO interceptions in the first three games??? That's fucking pathetic, especially for corners that are supposed to be as good as Lucas and Gamble are supposed to be.

9/27/2007 4:10:45 PM

I'm way more concerned about the lack of sacks for a D-line that's one of the best of the league.

9/27/2007 4:14:11 PM

Yeah I'm not so much worried about Carr as I am about our defense, but I'm hoping Jenkins' "speech" will get them fired up...Carr is serviceable...I certainly feel a lot more comfortable with him starting than Chris "1-17 Record As A Starter" Weinke...we need our O-Line to do a good job for him and the running game, and for somebody who is not #89 to catch a few passes...but our defense is key

9/27/2007 4:14:39 PM

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"we need our O-Line to do a good job for him and the running game, and for somebody who is not #89 to catch a few passes...but our defense is key"

That actually happened last game... but the defense... yeaaaaaaaah it has some issues to fix. The statement Fox said about pressure on the QB better mean some changes... I'm going to be there this Sunday and I expect to see them destroy Garcia.

9/27/2007 4:18:20 PM

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"Chris "1-17 Record As A Starter" Weinke"

correction, he's 2-17. He beat atlanta last season and the vikings his rookie year.

9/27/2007 4:20:21 PM

if they don't stop the short/mid over the middle pass it's going to be a long day.

Who woulda thought this game would be as big as it is.

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"for somebody who is not #89 to catch a few passes"

look for colbert to have a big day.....he and Carr seem to have a connection.

[Edited on September 27, 2007 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

9/27/2007 4:21:39 PM

^yeah I'm hoping old 83 will step up since he seemed to like Carr coming into the game last week

^^lol i forgot about the falcons game since Deangelo Williams got more snaps than Weinke

9/27/2007 4:35:21 PM

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"Either way, though, I agree that the defense HAS to do something if we're going to beat Tampa. ZERO interceptions in the first three games??? That's fucking pathetic, especially for corners that are supposed to be as good as Lucas and Gamble are supposed to be."

Not many corners are "good" enough to intercept NFL QBs without a pass rush.

9/27/2007 4:37:38 PM

I hope at about 7pm on Sunday night J_Hova is really pissed

I hope what he's pissed at are the following:

- Jeff Garcia now suffers from a busted spleen
- Kris Jenkins blocks 3 kicks
- Matt Bryant gets injured celebrating the one kick he does make
- Cadillac leaves his doors open and has 3 fumbles
- The Bucs drop to 2-2 and 2nd place in the division

9/27/2007 4:42:27 PM

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"Not many corners are "good" enough to intercept NFL QBs without a pass rush."

some d-lines are made to much better than they are b/c of a great secondary......'coverage sacks'

[Edited on September 27, 2007 at 4:45 PM. Reason : .]

9/27/2007 4:45:21 PM

http://spleenwitit.ytmnd.com/

9/27/2007 4:46:19 PM

BIG GAME THIS WEEKEND, IM HYPED

9/27/2007 5:57:13 PM

this really is a big game...its hard to say "must win" in only week 4, but it damn near is...this game might not determine the division, but worst case the winning team will be 3-1 while the other three teams are AT BEST 2-2, 1-3 and 1-3

9/27/2007 6:33:50 PM

I think the problem with our d-line is it's too good (or at least that's the prevailing opinion around the league, and more importantly, our coaches as well). If our line was average, we would be running stunts, blitzing LBs and safeties and doing everything we could to get pressure on the QB and mix things up. But because everyone thinks our d-line is godlike, we just leave them alone to do their own thing every single play. The result? the same 4 guys rushing from the same 4 positions using the same moves on every drive and getting tired since they have no support and are facing max protection constantly, and by the second half, even a high school team can figure out how to beat a pass rush like that (see: our recent history of second half collapses). We have the talent to get the job done, but the coaches would definitely be well served to watch some game film of the Patriots defense in action and take some notes. They keep an offense off balance like no other.

9/27/2007 6:47:48 PM

i dont exactly agree that we're too good...i think we've been living off reputation and name the past couple years based on when we HAD to have great defense a few years back when that was winning us games...I do agree however that we trust the front 4 too much to get pressure...we do need to vary things up a bit

btw...bakubits? more like biakabatukabits! lol

9/27/2007 6:49:41 PM

David Carr looks fucking weird now

9/28/2007 6:35:11 PM

Things don't sound good for Delhomme, FOX keeps saying he's gonna need surgery.

9/30/2007 12:42:42 PM