Well okay you want to hear an argument.....quick question how many ACC teams made the Final Four last year? The year before that how many? Tournament time is what counts. The Pac 10 has been the better team in the tournament the last two years. UCLA has two back to back Final Fours. Oregon made the Elite Eight last year as did USC. The ACC has 1 Elite Eight appearance in the last two years. The Pac 10 had 3 Sweet Sixteen teams this past year. This year will be much of a repeat with UNC being the only team with a chance of going deep.

2/25/2008 2:49:25 AM

The SEC had 2 national champions the last 2 years too. no im jk, that makes sense, i realize the ACC didn't have a superior contender the last two years (except UNC who was upset in the elite 8) but Duke and UNC are both better than they were. So I guess I'll buy into your argument, with Az St getting better and a lot of top prospects going to some of those schools.

2/25/2008 3:43:28 AM

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"a lot of top prospects going to somemost of those schools."

2/25/2008 9:59:04 AM

Look, the Pac-10 is better this year. No shame in that, it's just the way it is. I know that doesn't make people who resent Herb feel good, but it's the truth.

I live in CA and watch a lot of college bball (both Pac-10 and ACC). The ONLY reason the Pac-10 isn't the highest rated conference is because Oregon St is just terrible. Dreadful. Every other team is SOLID... The ACC is a few shitters like UVa (even though they beat UofA), State and BC, a bunch of mediocre to average teams like UMd, Clemson and Miami and Duke/UNC (elite level teams).

^^^ I actually try not to make tha comparison because it isn't really relevant to judging conferences in a given year... the SEC is horrid this year but they have the last two National Champions. That doesn't mean much to me... I use a combination of common sense, eyes and numbers... If you only use 1 of those 3 (i.e.- #'s or RPI) then you are fooling yourself..

[Edited on February 25, 2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason : x]

2/25/2008 11:41:18 AM

P9 out of 10 teams in the PAC 10 have been ranked in the top 25 at some point this year.

2/25/2008 11:47:59 AM

we were ranked "at some point this year"

but we shouldnt have been

2/25/2008 12:13:05 PM

HUGE HUGE game tonight at home vs. UCLA

930 ET

FSN - AZ


Fan Club meets at Sammy's tonight at 9. Free beer to anyone who shows up in maroon and/or gold.

if they win, not only should it lock up a tourney bid, but they'll become the ONLY team in the nation to have 5 wins over RPI top-20 teams (Xavier, UofA x 2, Stanford).

2/28/2008 3:03:36 PM

L

2/28/2008 3:05:29 PM

more than likely


but here's to hoping for the best!

2/28/2008 3:07:47 PM

they are going to get their fucking asses rocked tonight, are you kidding me?

2/28/2008 3:13:48 PM

O/U on attendance anyone? I'll set the line at 8,000 and take the under...

2/28/2008 3:19:20 PM

nah, Wells-Fargo Arena will be packed


and 2008 signee Johnny Coy will be in town all weekend. he's the type of tall outside swingman that Herb loves to recruit.

2/28/2008 8:12:19 PM

8,000 max. 8:30 tip on a Thursday night. Too much other stuff to do.

I heard Coy had 46 the other night with no 3's. State Championship game too.

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 9:32 PM. Reason : ,]

2/28/2008 9:30:51 PM

this is going to be a huge win for herb

2/28/2008 9:38:18 PM

lol jk, poor herby

2/29/2008 1:53:54 AM

70-49.

Ew.


oh, and Ha!

18 in the first half. 2007-2008 Wolfpack-esque.

2/29/2008 7:17:51 AM

^ didn't watch the game

2/29/2008 8:25:05 AM

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"18 in the first half. 2007-2008 Wolfpack-esque."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/31/sports/ncaabasketball/31festival.html

Although our NCAA fewest-points-in-a-half record has recently been broken by St. Louis

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 8:35 AM. Reason : ]

2/29/2008 8:34:34 AM

^^^

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"Early on, the Bruins were baffled by Arizona State's zone defense. Thirteen minutes into the game, the score was tied at 11."

2/29/2008 11:27:52 AM

considering he's lost both games to UCLA this year by 20+ points, I'M SURE HE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO BEAT DUKE AND UNC THIS YEAR IF HE WAS STILL AT STATE

2/29/2008 11:29:50 AM

UCLA will not lose another game in the year 2008. I wish they had that as a prop bet somewhere.

2/29/2008 11:36:40 AM

i made big bucks on ASU last night!

2/29/2008 11:38:22 AM

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"Early on,"

Then UCLA goes on an 18-7 run...

wins going away. I guess they were no longer baffled?

2/29/2008 11:40:03 AM

early on this season in chapel hill we baffled the tarheels and had them tied 9-9

then they went on a huge run and were up 30 at the half...but we had them baffled for a short time before the first TV timeout...moral victory!)

2/29/2008 11:41:53 AM

They were dropping crazy threes. UCLA has been shooting like 20% from the 3 pt. line the last ten games, shot 50% last night. It looked like it was gonna be close w/ 2 minutes left in the first half, UCLA got a crazy momentum swing off a missed dunk and hit three 3's, one at the buzzer.

The team is just beastly. Starting 5 will all get drafted in the next two years.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

2/29/2008 11:43:08 AM

you know Herb is never going to have a better program than UCLA

hey that sounds kind of familiar to our Wolfpack when compared to UNC/Duke

2/29/2008 11:48:59 AM

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"you know Herb is never going to have a better program than UCLA"

At least 97% of teams in the NCAA are never going to have a better program in the next couple of years.

The difference is that there fans would be ecstatic with finishing 3rd or 4th every year and just want to make the dance. They realize that they will likely lose 8 games every year in conference play. So Herb fits their expectations perfectly.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 11:57 AM. Reason : /]

2/29/2008 11:55:10 AM

point is, we've heard lately in sports radio and in the media how herb is doing so great compared to lowe/nc state...how state wishes they still had herb, etc

Herb would still be UNC's and Duke's bitch...thats why we got rid of him

at least Sid beat Carolina AND Duke last year

but yeah i understand what you're saying about their fans' expectations...course at the same time we liked Herb alright early on

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 12:10 PM. Reason : .]

2/29/2008 12:09:50 PM

I don't think they just like Herb "alright". He wins 2 out of his next 3 to finish 9-9 and he'll be the king of town, even if they lose game one in the PAC 10 tourney.

BTW, it appears my attendance prediction was off by a lot. 11,000 tickets went out, I said 8,000. Wells Fargo seats 14,500 though.

2/29/2008 12:20:04 PM

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"that sounds kind of familiar to our Wolfpack when compared to UNC/Duke"

except that it isn't a 30 minute drive from Tempe to LA

2/29/2008 12:25:13 PM

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"you know Herb is never going to have a better program than UCLA hey that sounds kind of familiar to our Wolfpack when compared to UNC/Duke"

Yeah, it does. We aren't ever going to have a better program than those two again. Ever. No matter who is coaching. That's the way it is.

We can compete with them though in any given year. And we should.

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I do think that Herb can build ASU to be a better program than Arizona though... especially when Lute is gone for good. I think that is the better comparison to UNC/Duke since they are in-state. UNC, Duke, Kentucky and maybe Kansas are the only historical peers to UCLA.

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UCLA and UNC would be one HELL of a Title game... but it won't happen.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 12:34 PM. Reason : x]

2/29/2008 12:31:42 PM

I wonder who will be the next coaches at Duke and UNC after K and Roy retire

certainly Johnny Dawkins seems like the most logical candidate for Duke since he's been an assistant under K for years and years and years

UNC I'm not as sure...would it be a current assistant? Would they try to go out and get a Larry Brown (doubtful) or a George Karl? Or maybe just the best available, regardless of ties to UNC...dunno

I do think if Sid is able to slowly improve the program year after year, we might have a chance to be real solid once K and/or Roy retire...I mean K was pretty much Jimmy V's and Dean's bitch his first couple of years in the conference...but coaching changes, and of course lots of time have turned him into one of the best coaches in the nation

2/29/2008 12:38:11 PM

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"We aren't ever going to have a better program than those two again. Ever"

Eh, that might be pushing it.

It's not like we're UNCC...and dynasties come and go. I don't expect that we will ever be better, but to say we can't is quite ridiculous.

2/29/2008 1:53:36 PM

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"I do think if Sid is able to slowly improve the program year after year, we might have a chance to be real solid once K and/or Roy retire.."

Roy and Coach K will be at UNC and Duke longer than Sidney is here. Slowly improve? We have quickly gotten worse....if he doesn't do well next year the seat is going to be real hot.

2/29/2008 3:42:05 PM

^^ I don't know. There is a huge difference now. ESPN. Duke and UNC became the "it" programs and sell themselves... and it happened largely at our expense (i.e.- at a time when we were really far down). They recruit themselves.

I honestly have a hard time seeing us ever get back to that level, consistently. And sadly, I have serious doubts that Lowe can get us back to the level we "enjoyed" recently. I'm hoping he can.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM. Reason : x]

2/29/2008 3:44:07 PM

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"I do think if Sid is able to slowly improve the program year after year, we might have a chance to be real solid once K and/or Roy retire...I mean K was pretty much Jimmy V's and Dean's bitch his first couple of years in the conference...but coaching changes, and of course lots of time have turned him into one of the best coaches in the nation"

We need to get out of last place in the ACC before we can think about replacing those 2 teams. Or did you mean we can just hope that they suck in the future and be down to our level and we can beat them regularly? We can beat them on a regular basis, make it to the NIT every couple of years...but we'll be WINNARS. Who needs NCAA tournaments? We can beat Duke and UNC! That's all that matters, right?

8-38. herb sucks!!!!!1111one

2/29/2008 8:02:38 PM

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"considering he's lost both games to UCLA this year by 20+ points, I'M SURE HE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO BEAT DUKE AND UNC THIS YEAR IF HE WAS STILL AT STATE"

but i doubt he would have been last place

2/29/2008 8:13:32 PM

^^if they get new coaches and somehow lowe is still here with a consistently better than average program he might gain a recruiting boost over those schools by being the more experienced coach

hey i'm more realistic than thinking we'll be a 73-74 style powerhouse ever again, i'm just happy to see us have a good season now and then and go dancing and beat some in-state rivals...but if a texas or florida or tennessee can jump to a national title contender in a short time, its possible

^he was last year

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 8:15 PM. Reason : .]

2/29/2008 8:15:07 PM

oh he was in last place last year at nc state?

my bad, i thought he coached a completely different team last year. i have alot to learn.

3/1/2008 1:47:42 AM

Other teams adjust to Herb's gameplan and blow his teams out? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

ASU is a great place for Herb because their fans have no expectations. They've never had a DT or 2 national championships so it's easy to see where just making the tourney would be a thrill.

3/1/2008 10:27:31 AM

When it comes down to it, Arizona State still isn't even sniffing a tournament bid right now.

They'd need to catch fire the last few weeks to make the tournament this year.

Harden would be a first round pick if he decides to leave this year and Pendergraph would be drafted.

We all know Herb's players have a tendency to leave so we'll see if they have enough returnees to get in the tournament next year.

3/1/2008 1:21:26 PM

^ not sniffing the tourney?


oh, and there's no way Harden or Pendergraph leave after this season. Polk might transfer, but nobody will leave for the NBA. Everybody will be back and they're adding Rohde (Arizona's best HS player, 6'8") and Coy (probably the best HS player in Kansas City histroy, 6'7")

they'll be preseason top-25

3/1/2008 4:24:27 PM

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"they'll be preseason top-25"

that's herb sendek SOP. if i were a betting man, i'd bet they don't finish there.

just saying.

3/1/2008 4:41:11 PM

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"A standard operating procedure is a set of instructions having the force of a directive, covering those features of operations that lend themselves to a definite or standardized procedure without loss of effectiveness. Standard Operating Policies and Procedures can be effective catalysts to drive performance improvement and improving organizational results"

3/1/2008 4:48:41 PM

so relevant.

3/1/2008 4:57:14 PM

just saying that i had to google "SOP" because i had no fucking idea what it meant

must be a enginerd thing....

3/1/2008 5:02:10 PM

dancin'???

3/1/2008 8:43:50 PM

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"They should finish 3-2 over the next 5 games. Would make them 19-11 and 9-9. That would likely get them in even with a first round loss in the PAC-10 tourney. First round win and they are a shoo-in if they finish 3-2."

They have to go to 2-1 now. lol at not sniffing the tourney.

3/1/2008 10:07:07 PM

must be a enginerd thing....
must be a enginerd thing....
must be a enginerd thing....
must be a enginerd thing....
must be a enginerd thing....

3/1/2008 10:15:56 PM

Considering ASU is ranked #70 in the RPI and NC State is #74...

They aren't dancing without some serious fire at the end of the year.

3/2/2008 12:41:20 AM