You have to give him credit for not commenting on Edwards' affair.

8/8/2008 9:10:45 PM

No you don't, it makes no bearing on the race and would only paint him as a political opportunist. Its the same reason Obama hasn't said anything about the Ted Stevens indictment. Silence can be as politically calculated as making a statement. They will let the talking heads and pundits do the dirty work.

[Edited on August 8, 2008 at 9:22 PM. Reason : .]

8/8/2008 9:21:04 PM

^ I agree. This is just barely a political issue, in the slightest way possible. It's barely an interesting side-show than anything.

8/8/2008 9:29:41 PM

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"This is just barely a political issue, in the slightest way possible. It's barely an interesting side-show than anything. "

Thats the way democrats and the medai will deal with it, no doubt. Kinda interesting how they can make Larry craig a household name, but the only media to look into this story was the fucking national enquirer. Yes it doesnt have the hypocritical homo angle, but it has the wife battling cancer angle.. oh and talk about two americas.. indeed.

8/8/2008 10:11:15 PM

Edwards wasn't using a wide stance

IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

8/8/2008 10:14:40 PM

Right, but edwards is a MUCH bigger name than larry craig. The media not really going after him is very telling. imo

Of course he is VERY smart to admit this during the olympics. I bet he waits until November to admit the kid is his.

8/8/2008 10:17:48 PM

Larry Craig?

LARRY craig?

oh... Larry CRAIG .... yes... i remember Larry Craig. the anti-gay, pro-marriage-bill-of-rights, focus on the family, Republican Congressman from Minnesota.

the one who like to play footsies with men in airport toilet stalls as a prelude to having random anal sex with gay men in filthy airport bathrooms ... then get back on his way back to D.C. to pass more bills in favor of protecting heterosexual marriage and denying homosexuals any sort of basic civil rights.

yeah. Larry Craig.

because that is SO LIKE John Edwards having a brief, extramarital affair with a normal woman.

8/8/2008 10:19:02 PM

larry craig, larry craig, LARRY CRAIG x10


Yes, larry craig who was running for president, former vice presidentail candidate. A man whose wife is dying and fathered a child with his mistress. Yeah, BIG non story there. You are right Joe, imagine this.. a hypocrit politician... from minn? WTF.. stop the press.

JOE SCHmOE, Joe SCHome, JOE SCHMOE, defender of all things democrat.

(Did the repeating the name add to the dramatic effect? You seemed enamored with it)

[Edited on August 8, 2008 at 10:29 PM. Reason : ..]

8/8/2008 10:28:17 PM

sorry.

neither joe shmoe, nor john edwards, ever campaigned on a self-righteous, jesus bible thumping, holier than thou, anti-homosexual, constitutional marriage amendment platform

larry craid did.



you conservatives, i swear... what is it with you people, and your complete inability to detect irony?

8/8/2008 10:34:09 PM

Edwards, the vice presidential candidate during Sen. John Kerry's 2004 presidential bid, had been mentioned as a potential running mate for Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee this year, and as a possible attorney general or other high-ranking appointee if Obama wins the November election.


I guess lying about things really doesnt matter too much in the democratic party. You democrats, I swear, if its not lying about your past and thinking people are too dumb to notice or find out, its then just about wealth redistribution.

Joe, while you might not be a bible thumper, you certainly come across with a holier than thou, self-righteous attitude.

Here is the good news though. If you ever have a bastard son, no one will care. However, a potential VP and possible attorney general lying to the public, not to mention being a sleezy lawyer, and cheating on his dying wife. Sounds like a story, but the paris hilton/mccain ads are much more juicy right?

8/8/2008 10:45:18 PM

anti-gay republican congressman seeking men for filthy airport bathroom sex.... CHECK

old lecherous anti-gay republican congressman trying to fuck teenage page-boys.... CHECK

rightwing, anti-gay, evangelical megachurch leader smoking meth and having sex with male prostitutes.... CHECK




democratic senator has brief affair with 43-year old professional woman who was contracting for his campaign...

hmm ... i dont know ... can you spice it up some?

um, his wife was in remission from breast cancer?

Yeah, well ... i suppose. go ahead and post it.











[Edited on August 8, 2008 at 11:19 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on August 8, 2008 at 11:21 PM. Reason : ]

8/8/2008 11:16:48 PM

Quote :

"Thats the way democrats and the medai will deal with it, no doubt. Kinda interesting how they can make Larry craig a household name, but the only media to look into this story was the fucking national enquirer. Yes it doesnt have the hypocritical homo angle, but it has the wife battling cancer angle.. oh and talk about two americas.. indeed. "

There was not really anything going on when the Craig story broke.

Now we have the Olympics and the presidential race, not to mention some changing things in Iraq that GREATLY overshadow Edwards.

Edwards could be eating babies, and it wouldn't have any bearing on anything else, other than being an interesting sideshow.

8/8/2008 11:20:17 PM

Ok joe, Ill post this so then youll go away.

On the CBS evening news last fall, good ole johnny, "Of course. I mean, for a lot of Americans, including the family that I grew up with, I mean, it's, it's fundamental to how you judge people and human character - whether you keep your word, whether you keep what is your ultimate word, which is that you love your spouse, and you'll stay with them."

Here is the video hoss

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3633705n

Oh, and his reason? "All of which fed a self-focus, an egotism, a narcissism that leads you to believe that you can do whatever you want,"

Sounds like another democrat. If only the national enquirer will into him next.

OH, yeah. I forgot to mention he is being considered for AG, VP, or a cabinet position.

Moron, I do agree with you on the events. That is why I said he was very smart to quit lying about it now. LIke I said, he will wait until november to say the kid is his.

[Edited on August 8, 2008 at 11:28 PM. Reason : .]

8/8/2008 11:27:30 PM

Might as well repost this since it got stuck at the bottom of page 9:

McCain on Hamdan:

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"The jury found that the prosecution lawyers had proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Hamdan had aided terrorists by supplying weapons to Al Qaeda and Taliban forces in Afghanistan. This process demonstrated that military commissions can effectively bring very dangerous terrorists to justice. The fact that the jury did not find Hamdan guilty of all of the charges brought against him demonstrates that the jury weighed the evidence carefully."

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/08/mccain_statement_on_hamdan.html

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"While being convicted of supporting terrorism, Hamdan was acquitted of providing missiles to al-Qaida and knowing his work would be used for terrorism. He also was cleared of being part of al-Qaida's conspiracy to attack the United States — the most serious charges he faced."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hlkUMaokG6I7flYKGhlBfsW9qP9wD92DOOKG0

8/9/2008 1:38:09 PM

^ hahaha yah, might as well.

[Edited on August 9, 2008 at 2:17 PM. Reason : ``]

8/9/2008 2:15:19 PM

^^ to be honest, i'm not sure what you're trying to demonstrate there.

8/9/2008 2:35:36 PM

I'm demonstrating the fact that McCain either doesn't understand the Hamdan verdict or is willfully lying about its outcome. The court found him not guilty of providing missiles to al-Qaida. It found him not guilty of knowing that he was supporting terrorism. It found him not guilty of being a part of a conspiracy to the United States.

Quote :

"During the sentencing hearing, the tribunal judge, Navy Captain Keith J. Allred refused prosecutor's attempts to introduce the 9/11 attacks as a factor in sentencing. Capt. Allred also called Hamdan a "small player" and ruled that Hamdan would be sentenced on only one of the five counts on which he was convicted, because he said they were pretty much the same charge, which he characterized as "driving Mr. Bin Laden around Afghanistan.""

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4474192.ece

And what does McCain say?

"The jury found that the prosecution lawyers had proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Hamdan had aided terrorists by supplying weapons to Al Qaeda and Taliban forces in Afghanistan."

It's completely untrue. So which is it? Is he stupid, is he ignorant of the facts, or is he a liar?

8/9/2008 3:43:19 PM

This is a totally unfamiliar pattern with McCain. Totally. This is like, the very first time he has either been grossly ignorant of or willfully distorted the core findings of a major judicial decision to suit his own political ends.

Cue Socks`` to tell us this is "just another gaffe" in 5, 4, 3, 2....

8/9/2008 3:49:33 PM

haha wow this looks like a productive conversation. "McCain made a minor mistake in unprepared remarks, which Obama NEVER does, and now you must admit he is either an idiot or a LIAR!!!!" hahahha oh gosh.

But spooky you forgot to say "What a Maverick!". You wouldn't want to lose your credibility. lol

anyways kids, you'll excuse me if I sit this "important debtate" out.

PS* Dr. Steve that's a very cute way to try and deflate my reaction. Doesn't make my statement any less true, but it's very cute. lol peace.

8/9/2008 4:53:49 PM

"minor mistake" for John McCain supporters apparently means complete misunderstanding of all the key facts.

8/9/2008 6:55:13 PM

^^^^ He was unclear on the details, but his conclusion, that the court did their job, was accurate. But, I guess his point was that this guy must have been very dangerous, where the ruling doesn't necessarily support that.

^^ McCain has made a lot of "minor mistakes" this race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWX5u69hmzY This doesn't contain the fumble where he was asked about his own position on bc/insurance, or where he was asked about being Kerry's VP.

8/9/2008 8:58:41 PM

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"In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations."

Straight Tlolk!

8/14/2008 11:51:18 AM

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"AUDIENCE MEMBER: Senator McCain I truly hope you get the opportunity to chase Bin Laden right to the gates of hell and push him in as you stated on your forum. I do have a question though. Disabled veterans, especially in this state, have horrible conditions [...] My son is an officer in the Air Force, and I am a vet and I was raised in a military family. I think it is a sad state of affairs when we have illegal aliens having a Medicaid card that can access specialist top physicians, the best of medical and our vets can’t even get to a doctor. These are the people that we tied yellow ribbons for and Bush patted on the back. If we don’t reenact the draft I don’t think we will have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell. JOHN MCCAIN: Ma’am let me say that I don’t disagree with anything you said and thank you and I am grateful for your support of all of our veterans. (Town Hall; Las Cruces, NM 08/20/08)"

So that's something to look forward to!

8/20/2008 6:05:01 PM

Quote :

"You have to give him credit for not commenting on Edwards' affair."

Not really, it just would have created more stories like this.




[Edited on August 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2008 6:23:28 PM

Quote :

"Talking tough is easy when it's other people's evil and you're judging what they do or don't believe. It seems to me you'd have to have a hole you're own to point a finger at somebody else's sheet. "

- Ghost to Most, Drive By Truckers

[Edited on August 20, 2008 at 7:04 PM. Reason : Cooley]

8/20/2008 7:03:15 PM

Quote :

"You have to give him credit for not commenting on Edwards' affair."

I mean, what's he gonna say? "I've been there, bro. Bitches ain't shit but hos 'n' tricks."

8/20/2008 11:08:57 PM

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"Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said in an interview Wednesday that he was uncertain how many houses he and his wife, Cindy, own. "I think — I'll have my staff get to you," McCain told Politico in Las Cruces, N.M. "It's condominiums where — I'll have them get to you.""

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12685.html

how the shit do you not know how many houses you own? how often do you rattle the line 'let my staff get back to you' when you can't answer a question due to your mental facilities dulled to farily worrisome levels OR just aversion.

ok, so obama is the elite one? Between this and the 'rich would be 5 million dollar' comment at the faith forum, he's really pushing a them out there he better watch out for....he's worth over 100 million dollars with Cindy's money he married into, so it's obviously there.

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 9:13 AM. Reason : -]

8/21/2008 9:12:56 AM

^ Let's not be mistaken what this is about. This is not about McCain's cognitive abilities. This about his wife being a super-rich heiress. According to the same blog post, they own at least 4 homes in 3 states (Arizona, California, and Virginia). And who knows how many more they rent (he mentioned a condo). And I will almost garuntee you that McCain isn't paying the mortgages for those on a Senator's salary.

What this is about is good old fashion class warfare and envy. It's a page straight of the Karl Rove handbook. It should come as no surprise by now that political tactics they used to abhor have become fair game now that they are close to actually winning an election. Politico makes this point.

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"In recent weeks, Democrats have stepped up their effort to caricature McCain as living an outlandishly rich lifestyle — a bit of payback to the GOP for portraying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) as an elitist, and for turning the spotlight in 2004 on the five homes owned by Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. "

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12685.html

FUCK the Democratic Party for pretending for 8 years like they were better than the GOP. The truth was, they were just worse at playing the same old damn tricks.

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 9:34 AM. Reason : ``]

8/21/2008 9:32:29 AM

cindy could be buying houses and he could have no idea...she's got her own money

supposed he guessed and he got it wrong

there'd still be rabble rabble

i have to think hard about how many pairs of shoes i own

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 9:33 AM. Reason : ^^]

8/21/2008 9:33:01 AM

Quote :

"FUCK the Democratic Party for pretending for 8 years like they were better than the GOP. The truth was, they were just worse at playing the same old damn tricks. "

Or maybe they've learned that you have to play those dirty tricks to actually win. You can take the highroad and lose every time, or you can learn that the American people actually are influenced by the negative campaigns and do what it takes to win.

Don't pretend like this is anything surprising. I think Obama has been pretty good about not going negative on a large scale until now. I don't like negative campaigning but it's one of those things that has to be done because America apparently can't rise above a drama fest level of politics.

8/21/2008 9:37:22 AM

^ Then you have not been paying attn. Obama was going negative on McCain since the primaries, when commentators were saying he was doing it to 1) show that he had moved beyond the primaries (since it was becomming clearer hillary would lose) and 2) to show that he could go on the attack against Republicans (back when everyone was afraid of another swift boat assault).

Just because Obama wasn't running commercials doesn't mean he was consistently distorting McCain's positions (eventually even ABC News had to call him out on his lie willful misinterpretation about McCain saying we should stay at war in Iraq for 100 years).

But, like I said, I am not surprised anymore. I've accepted that is what you have to do to win. I am still just pissed off that for the past 8 years Democrats presented themselves as being above this type of Rovian bullshit. But whatever. All that really matters is November. Didn't you hear Jesus is moving into the White House???? Surely he will forgive our minor political transgressions if it gets him elected.

8/21/2008 9:42:35 AM

I thought that your new party's boy George Bush was the chosen one? He receives direct info from God right?

8/21/2008 9:44:58 AM

^ Wow. It took you 2 minutes to think of that and type it up? You should have let that "witty remark" sit and simmer a little longer.

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 9:52 AM. Reason : ``]

8/21/2008 9:48:29 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_houses;_ylt=AsQLTMBgJJzO8nkcdtH9TnqyFz4D


lol here is the little blurp on yahoo...came out 10 minutes ago

Quote :

"WASHINGTON - Days after he cracked that being rich in the U.S. meant earning at least $5 million a year, Republican presidential candidate John McCain acknowledged that he wasn't sure how many houses he and his wealthy wife actually own."

8/21/2008 9:49:59 AM

Say what you want to socks and cry to the refs, but it's not the democratic response to this (which hasnt even happened yet by the way) that makes it newsworthy, it's just a little crazy that any person has so many houses they dont know how many they own.

I frankly get tired of McCain bowing out of tons of questions like this with that lame cop out of 'he doesnt recollect'...sorry just because you are an old fart doesnt give you the free pass card on tough questions. I don't like it one bit, and I don't trust him because of it frankly.

8/21/2008 9:57:16 AM

^ yah, i prefer candidates that answer important philosophical questions by saying "they're above my pay grade". Seems much more honest.

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:03 AM. Reason : unless Obama was actually just trying to avoid offending potential voters, but that can't be it. ]

8/21/2008 10:02:52 AM

i didnt really care that he didnt know how many houses...i just thought the blurp was funny, like the wording

8/21/2008 10:04:35 AM

Quote :

"yah, i prefer candidates that answer important philosophical questions by saying "they're above my pay grade". Seems much more honest."

that was a questionable answer, but imo it's better than McCain flat out refusing to answer questions. It seems like every interview he does, he either refuses to answer questions, or flat out ends the interview and walks off when someone asks a question he doesn't like....and that sly, goofy smile he gives while doing it makes it that much worse.

8/21/2008 10:20:46 AM

8/21/2008 10:40:15 AM

*In his best whiney liberl voice*

"Well his personal life has nothing to do with his policies and his ability to be president! Why don't we focus on the real issues at hand!!"

8/21/2008 10:47:35 AM

Quote :

"yah, i prefer candidates that answer important philosophical questions by saying "they're above my pay grade""

why as a religious person when you make an allusion to 'that's god's decision' in responding to abortion a bad thing? I suppose the possible range of acceptable answers would be life gets rights at I dont know... conception, at birth, somewhere in between or I don't know. I think Obama's answer was a variation along the lines of - I am not qualified to answer that. I took the actual statement, “above my pay grade” to mean he does not know because he is not God.

However, for those of you that deem abortion as murder I could see how you would take any levity as at best, in poor taste and at worst, taking murder lightly. You folks are not going to vote for Obama anyway so I do not think any answer he could give would be acceptable for you. I think “I do not know when `life’ begins” is perfectly acceptable. It is not an “academic” answer.

A president will never be asked to vote on when life begins. If it could be answered in an objective, non-religious way it probably would be a very academic answer and as such, not really sufficient for most folks.

8/21/2008 10:51:55 AM

^ But how many houses you own....THAT'S important for understanding a candidate and his philosophical outlook.

"Don't you get it!?!?!?!? He's RICH!!!! How can you elect someone THAT RICH!??!?!?!"

8/21/2008 11:06:25 AM

Its really funny how Obama likes to walk around talking about "issues" and saying his campaign is different from the "politics of old" and how mccain has taken "the low road" with using attack ads.

Then he runs an Ad talking about McCains 7 homes.

The really sad thing is some nut on here will actually defend it and still say he isnt doing attack ads. That or use grammer school defense of "well your guy did this... so..."

8/21/2008 11:15:55 AM

^ Yah. It kinda surprises me, the lengths that his supporters will go to excuse his inconsistencies. Remember when he opted out of public financing? We had Richardson on TV saying he had created a new public financing system. Talk about Orwellian double talk. For me, the parallels between Obama and Bush only get more striking.

8/21/2008 11:23:20 AM

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"Talk about Orwellian double talk. "

lol.

OK so no, I never said he didn't go against the whole happy smiley "positive based campaign/advertisements' thing. That actually helped Obama in the primaries, because democrats actually care about that stuff

But McCain also said he'd run an
honoroable and clean campaign which my god, clearly he didn't and went way over the top...Obama had to respond or he would be just like Kerry before him. I don't blame him for doing so at all really.

You'd actually have some type of substance if you'd stop obsessively trying to ring up Obama supporters instead of worrying about his policies and substance of the man himself. Half of your posts are simply on Obama supporters, socks...it's sad.

8/21/2008 11:44:11 AM

How do you even think that 'when does life begin' and 'how many houses do you own' are even remotely in the same category?

Let me give you a clue: One is generally supposed to be common knowledge to an individual and the other has been a subject of debate for several decades at least.

8/21/2008 11:46:15 AM

Kainen,

Like I said, Obama went negative before McCain. And you're hardly the one to be giving lectures to anyone about how they should "focus on policy more often". I have created maybe 3 different threads on Obama and McCain and their policies (that doesn't include the numerous posts in other threads on their policies). But no one wanted to play along, so now I'm just chatting on whatever comes my way. If you ever want to have a policy discussion, try starting one.

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM. Reason : ``]

8/21/2008 11:53:18 AM

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"Yah. It kinda surprises me, the lengths that his supporters will go to excuse his inconsistencies"

kinda like.....McCain supporters? This just in politicians lie!!!

you just gotta determine which lies are going to fuck us over more than the others

and

Quote :

"For me, the parallels between Obama and Bush only get more striking."

is just crazy talk considering the great lengths McCain has gone to align with Bush and the repub mainstream.


To be honest, I probably agree with McCain's positions on more issues, but his Iraq stance and foreign policy is pretty much becoming an extention of the bush admin, which trumps everything else (negatively) imo.

Quote :

"If you ever want to have a policy discussion, try starting one."

what are their respective views/voting records on domestic spying?

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 11:55 AM. Reason : .]

8/21/2008 11:54:15 AM

i could never vote for a candidate that was in agreement about bringing back the draft

8/21/2008 11:55:28 AM

well you have one candidate who's running neck and neck for the presidency that suggests he supports it so buckle your helmet up soldier.

if he had his way, we'd start a war with russia and iran before he even takes office. you know, just to fast track this whole thing.

8/21/2008 12:01:33 PM