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7/22/2008 4:46:05 PM

ActionPants,

It's funny how things look when you quote the whole blog post (TPM? really?).

Quote :

"The McCain campaign has come up with an intriguing new way to sell his opposition to a timetable for withdrawal: McCain just might withdraw from Iraq sooner than Obama's 16 month deadline! "He'd like troops to come home earlier than 16 months if the conditions allow it," said Congresswoman Heather Wilson of New Mexico, on a conference call with reporters just now. "Senator Obama has said it's a 16-month timeline no matter what." Wilson walked this line back a bit later on, reminding people that any such withdrawal would have to be based on conditions on the ground, and might take longer: "Whether that happens in 12 months, or 16 months, or 24 months, the important thing is that our troops come home with victory and America's vital national interests secured.""

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/mccain_surrogate_he_might_with.php

Wilson was clearly just articulating McCain's position that withdrawal should be based on conditions in Iraq, not an arbitrary 16 month deadline. There is no change in position here and nothing to explain.

I mean good grief. If you're going to troll (posting liberal blog posts, out of context and without links) at least make an effort.

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 5:35 PM. Reason : ``]

7/22/2008 5:32:00 PM

He's trying to have it both ways once again

A flip flop you might call it

John McCain is almost as big a piece of shit as Lieberman

7/22/2008 5:40:37 PM

^ hahahaha good golly.

7/22/2008 5:44:45 PM

^^ Solid contribution to this thread.

Top notch analysis, and a compelling argument to back it up.

I must say that you are on top of your game with that post.

7/22/2008 5:48:52 PM

Quote :

"[T]here is no doubt that security has improved. And there's no doubt that the extraordinary sacrifices of American men and women in uniform have contributed to that success. In terms of, my conversations with General Petraeus, there's no doubt that General Petraeus does not want a timetable. I think he has said that publicly. And he is, and as I said, in his role, he wants maximum flexibility to be able to do what he believes needs to be done inside of Iraq. But keep in mind, for example, one of General Petraeus's responsibilities is not to think about how could we be using some of that $10 billion a month to shore up a U.S. economy that is really hurting right now? If I'm President of the United States, that is part of my responsibility."

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100007428&docId=l:825725691&start=23

So much for listening to our generals. Obama can't hear them over the polls.
Makes you wonder what "facts" he is supposed to be over there finding.

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 5:52 PM. Reason : ``]

7/22/2008 5:51:11 PM

Seriously, though. He went from claiming it'll be 2013ish or later, to

"hey, it could be 12 months! It could be whatever you want it to be!"

immediately after Obama all but got Maliki's endorsement.

7/22/2008 5:51:53 PM

Here's a funny picture.
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0cctgjwgos1BQ

Quote :

"Palestinian artist Walid Ayyub makes the final touches on a portrait for US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama at his shop in the West Bank city of Ramallah on July 22, 2008. Obama will pay a lightning visit to Israel and the occupied West Bank for talks tomorrow, where he will seek to prove his foreign policy mettle in one of the world's hotspots."

A Palestinian artist loves Barack Obama so much he painted him a picture. Guess who else he's done portraits of? Hamas PM Ismail Haniyeh, Che Guevara, and Jesus. What a funny collection.

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 6:00 PM. Reason : hehehe trivial political bs is fun]

7/22/2008 5:59:34 PM

He could paint a picture of Muhammad, but he would be beheaded for blasphemy.

7/22/2008 6:39:10 PM

An Iraqi Prime Minister loves Barack Obama so much he endorsed his Iraq policy. Guess who else he's endorsed? No one.

7/22/2008 6:49:44 PM

You know what they say about birds of a feather.



[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 6:58 PM. Reason : ``]

7/22/2008 6:56:39 PM

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 7:03 PM. Reason : .]

7/22/2008 7:01:37 PM

nice to see socks is going over the deep end with all the bullshit and now he's taking straight easy peddling horseshit stories, swift boating tactics of accusations and fear mongering for Barack. It's no longer a situation where 'I prefer this candidate over X' with him, now it's FEAR BARACK OBAMA HE IS THE MESSIAH crap.

This is precisely the stuff that hasn't worked so far and for all your talk about the 'issues' look where you find yourself now in your zeal to support McCain now. Dude you are devolving as this thread goes and you dont even know it.

7/22/2008 7:03:01 PM

Why do we care what Petraeus wants again?

Last I checked, he's not the commander in chief

7/22/2008 7:22:03 PM

Kainen, hope i'm not lowering the standard of debate you've been setting. You guys have set the bar high, so I'm doing my best to fit in. As you yourself have illustrated, a picture can be worth a thousand posts.



PS* ActionPants, neither is Obama.

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 10:17 PM. Reason : ``]

7/22/2008 10:14:05 PM

oh but he will be

7/22/2008 10:18:05 PM

Wait, Obama can't be muslim, he's really a a a a a ..... JEW!

7/23/2008 10:05:16 AM

OBAMA FLIP FLOPS ON GENOCIDE
http://johnmccain.com/mccainreport/Read.aspx?guid=49e95f45-610f-44b4-8ace-0ede8620fad3

Quote :

"Obama on Genocide Obama today at Yad Vashem: “Let our children come here and know this history so they can add their voices to proclaim ‘never again.’ And may we remember those who perished, not only as victims but also as individuals who hoped and loved and dreamed like us and who have become symbols of the human spirit.” Obama on July 20, 2007: Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there. “Well, look, if that’s the criteria by which we are making decisions on the deployment of U.S. forces, then by that argument you would have 300,000 troops in the Congo right now — where millions have been slaughtered as a consequence of ethnic strife — which we haven’t done,” Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press."

If you can't beat em, call em willingly complicit in genocide after you spent the early part of your career dropping bombs on civilians hell yeah

7/23/2008 10:21:02 AM

wow, what an epic failure for mccain if he has to use tactics like that.

7/23/2008 10:24:51 AM

OBAMA HATES FREEDOM, JEWS. MORE AT 10:00.

7/23/2008 10:53:31 AM

YOU KNOW, THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN SHOULD ADD THIS TO THE LIST OF THINGS THAT OFFENDS THEM!

UMBRAGE@@!!

7/23/2008 11:04:22 AM

fly away troll

7/23/2008 11:58:20 AM

wow McCain's is imploding right now. Very fucking unpresidential the way that campaign has been run especially this week. They're flipping their fucking lid! :


Despite the press crowd around Obama, McCain's avail today was the one with more promise to make news: He hasn't explained what he meant by juggling the timeline on the surge and Awakening (though his staff did the best salvage job possible); whether he meant that Obama was deliberately selling out the country; whether he shares his campaign's grievance with the press; or what he thinks of his staff's genocide-themed attack. And now he's canceled the avail.

So while Barack Obama has the guts to go into Ramallah to discuss Isreal/Palestine, McCain can't stand a few hot questions from the press in Pennsylvania....

Remind me again whose the Brave War Hero?

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 12:06 PM. Reason : =]

7/23/2008 12:03:07 PM

I hate to say it, but this election is probably going to be landslide in favor of Obama. I think in the long term, McCain being elected would damage conservatives more than it would help.

7/23/2008 12:54:53 PM

This video is getting tons of pub today. 1300 digs in a short number of hours. 'McCain's neverending war'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ieHwOm4ljA

Glad people are starting to catch on to this deceitful guy, straight talk my ass. If you don't support the war how could you vote for him after watching all of this.

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 1:13 PM. Reason : oops, i think its fixed now]

7/23/2008 12:59:54 PM

^ that video is about Clinton and Obama.

7/23/2008 1:05:51 PM

Kainen, why are you linking a Hillary video in a post about McCain's "never ending war"?

And why do people even use such silly phrases to begin with? This board is so depressing. Are there no honest critics left? I mean, the only people that post here anymore are more concerned with posting pictures and gaffes than actually talking about anything (see my most recent posts for an impression of the dialogue). It didn't used to be like this. So what changed?

Most likely it's just the usual human instinct to protect "us" and fight "them". In 2004, not many people really identified with either candidate so they were more open to discussing the flaws and attributes of each person. But in 2008, too many ppl have fully bought into the Obama brand. They have become part of an "us". Even if they are not part of the Obama-mania "worshiping" set, they would dare not say anything bad about him in fear of hurting "us" ( see here: http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=528606 ).

And if you can't say anything bad about Obama, it's hard to have discussions on issues where you might disagree with him. So....posting pictures and videos attacking one's opponent is the next best thing.

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 1:29 PM. Reason : ARM-CHAIR PSYCHOBABBLE! ]

7/23/2008 1:13:16 PM

Socks you've posted multiple picture on this page alone you hypocritical dimwit

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 1:27 PM. Reason : .]

7/23/2008 1:26:55 PM

^ can't fool you.

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM. Reason : quote: "(see my most recent posts for an impression of the dialogue)."]

7/23/2008 1:28:39 PM

"A picture is worth a thousand posts" is your dialogue

pictures and videos as early as page 5

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 1:32 PM. Reason : BACKGROUND CHECK]

7/23/2008 1:30:01 PM

i fixed the link (i hope). sorry. at work i really have to pull aerobic shit because they block youtube.

7/23/2008 1:36:23 PM

Socks`` was for intelligent debate before he was against it.

7/23/2008 1:44:52 PM

mccain is so winning in november...democrats blew it

7/24/2008 5:37:28 AM

what makes you think that?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

7/24/2008 6:41:59 AM

just what it seems like...seems like there is a lot of anti-obama sentiment with many of my friends lately and with the general public as a whole...personally i'm still not even sure if i'm voting for him

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 6:45 AM. Reason : he is making it ok to be "conservative" again]

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 6:50 AM. Reason : .]

7/24/2008 6:44:55 AM

Obama's lost the drunknloaded's circle of friends vote?

He's screwed

7/24/2008 6:53:33 AM

lol

idk the part that makes me think he would win is the 2 million less registered repubs and the 11 million more registered dems(at least thats what i had heard a month or 2 ago)...but the part of me that doesnt think he will win are all the white people that are voting against obama no matter what

7/24/2008 7:28:23 AM

Since you've seemingly gave up Socks, I won't respond to the Times debate anymore. And you do know this is the internet right? There hasn't been legitimate debate on the wolf web since I signed up 7 years ago. But you have to pick your battles.

Moving on.

I find it sad that the media is pigeonholing both McCain and Obama on what characterization they want them to fit. McCain = old and Obama = elitist. If you watch any channel other than Fox News (b/c its honestly McCain's own TV station) you can see how every pundit is just trying to tear down the candidates according to these story lines.

Obama gave a great speech in Germany. But what do they focus on in the morning? is he acting too presumptuous? Is he not connecting with the mom & dad over the dinner table? Will this hurt him in America?

Good god, how are we not screwed with Media short term attention span like this? First he's too green, now he's acting too old?

And McCain. Well I feel bad for the camp as the only time he gets headlines is because some staff member says something dumb, or its about his VP pick. And honestly lay off the guy about Czechoslovakia. It was a country for 4/5s of his life. If you went to NC State before they renamed the ESA, like myself, you sometimes mistakenly call it that still.

But I can only speak to those like DNL who don't think they'll vote Obama because they're scared by something they've heard or have been beaten into by talking heads. So my McCain love is not as deep or well grounded.

However after looking at some polls, I think we may see how America really feels about race. And how the subconscious may affect this election.

7/25/2008 10:03:16 AM

^ Why is it fine for one group to vote solely based on race but not for another? When you say "Americans" do you mean exclusively white Americans?

It disgusts me how some people spin this in a way that if Obama loses it's because he's black, not because he's a lather, rinse, and repeat traditional liberal whose ideas are about as fresh and innovative as the New Deal.

7/25/2008 10:50:43 AM

Quote :

"not because he's a lather, rinse, and repeat traditional liberal whose ideas are about as fresh and innovative as the New Deal. "

In your mind, is McCain innovative?

And it doesn't surprise me a Helms fan would be so oblivious to race issues.

7/25/2008 12:11:56 PM

Quote :

"(CNN) — A top aide to Barack Obama said Friday the campaign canceled a scheduled visit to an American military base in Germany the day before because the Pentagon expressed concerns it would be viewed as a campaign trip. The incident is representative of the delicacy with which the Obama campaign has attempted to navigate the Illinois senator's entire journey abroad — at once staging elaborate photo-ops beamed back to the American media while at the same time insisting that Obama's trip is not a political one by definition. The Illinois senator had planned on visiting a U.S. military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany — currently housing American troops injured in Iraq. The visit was expected to come after Obama's speech in Berlin. But the campaign suddenly announced Thursday the stop had been canceled, saying then Obama had determined it would be "inappropriate." But speaking to reporters Friday, Senior Obama adviser Robert Gibbs said Ret. Major Gen. Scott Gration, currently a policy adviser to the campaign, received a call from Pentagon officials earlier in the week who expressed concern with the trip — specifically because Obama was heading there on his campaign plane and campaign staff would be accompanying him on the visit. After speaking with Gration, the campaign decided to cancel the trip. Gibbs said Obama is "comfortable with the decision" because he did not want to make the troops part of a campaign event. But the decision to cancel the event drew widespread criticisms from conservative blogs and the McCain campaign. "It is never ‘inappropriate’ to visit our men and women in the military," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters later Friday the Pentagon did not explicitly say Obama should not visit the base, but was concerned with whether his capacity there would be one of a presidential candidate, not a senator. "We do have certain policy guidelines for political campaigns and elections. And what is appropriate and what is not appropriate in those situations. But the Pentagon certainly did not tell the senator that he could not visit Landstuhl," Whitman said. "Generally speaking, the military tries very hard not to get involved in political campaigns," he said. "Conducting a campaign speech for example on a military installation is not something that would be appropriate to do." In another sign the Obama campaign has at times had difficulty maintaining the notion the presidential candidate's trip is devoid of politics, it also received criticism Thursday night for distributing an e-mail to supporters that highlighted Obama's Berlin speech and included a link for online donations. The campaign insists it was not a fundraising e-mail."

So basically - the pentagon expresses reservations to Obama about visiting the troops in a hospital for various reasons, Obama complies, McCain jumps down his throat. I think Obama has been pretty tactful on this trip, especially considering he could be ripping Bush apart in europe and everyone would love him for it, yet McCain seems to really be reaching for straws by slamming Obama for not visiting the troops, especially when the Pentagon expressed concerns.

7/25/2008 3:04:32 PM

Quote :

"Why is it fine for one group to vote solely based on race but not for another? When you say "Americans" do you mean exclusively white Americans?"

Now sir where did you read that I was implying that its okay for blacks to vote one way and whites cannot?

Because thats not what I said. In fact in my state of Mississippi, whites voted 20% for Obama and blacks 9% for McCain. And I find it sad on both occasions that it seems race is playing to people's fears on both candidates. No one ever talks about why can't McCain get the black vote, and that just chalks up to the basic premise of racism.

Quote :

"It disgusts me how some people spin this in a way that if Obama loses it's because he's black, not because he's a lather, rinse, and repeat traditional liberal whose ideas are about as fresh and innovative as the New Deal."

I think I answered this then, friend. But next time check your conservative talking points at the door, because I was not going in that direction at all. I was making a social commentary outside of politics and it disgusts ME how easily we put an election above our humanity.

7/25/2008 3:14:26 PM

SkankinMonky, Senator Barack Obama and his Senate staff could have still easily have visited the base. The problem was that campaign staff (such as Ret. Major Gen. Scott Gration) would not be allowed to accompany him on the visit.

So, instead of trim down his entourage ON A NON-POLITICAL (?) world tour, Obama went site-seeing. Awe-some.

[Edited on July 25, 2008 at 3:21 PM. Reason : ``]

7/25/2008 3:16:09 PM

Are you shitting me? This comment is insulting.

Quote :

"... same time insisting that Obama's trip is not a political one by definition."

Yeah, Obama's trip overseas isn't political.

The Pentagon didn't want it to be a press circus at a hosptial with injured troops. The sole purpose of a visit by Obama to that hospital would have been political.

With all the press coverage of Obama, McCain's poll numbers are still rising. How does that happen?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-campaign25-2008jul25,0,834886.story

7/25/2008 3:20:34 PM

Wow you really do suck up McCain's drivel don't you?

7/25/2008 3:22:31 PM

Quote :

"Obama's lost the drunknloaded's circle of friends vote? He's screwed "

lol

DNL changes his opinion on who to vote for twice a day.

apparently he thinks it's the only way he can get people to talk to him, around here.

7/25/2008 3:23:39 PM

Quote :

"In your mind, is McCain innovative?"

I don't think I ever make the claim that he was. Obama's supposed appeal is that he's a fresh new face when in fact he's just more of the same.

Quote :

"And it doesn't surprise me a Helms fan would be so oblivious to race issues."

You just can't let this go, can you? Race is an issue because you're making it one. Heaven forbid we vote for people based on the merit of their platform.

And why is it fine for one race to be able to vote based on color but not for another? It's either totally acceptable or toally wrong, it can't be both ways.

7/25/2008 3:24:43 PM

Quote :

"Because thats not what I said. In fact in my state of Mississippi, whites voted 20% for Obama and blacks 9% for McCain. And I find it sad on both occasions that it seems race is playing to people's fears on both candidates. No one ever talks about why can't McCain get the black vote, and that just chalks up to the basic premise of racism."

I agree with you, voting based on race is ridiculous. It's a serious underlying problem no matter how it is approached.

Quote :

"I think I answered this then, friend. But next time check your conservative talking points at the door, because I was not going in that direction at all. I was making a social commentary outside of politics and it disgusts ME how easily we put an election above our humanity."

Again, we agree. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy that is being thrown around on the issue, not singling you out.

7/25/2008 3:27:54 PM

Oh I see. Just taking the easy way out again by not admitting to the GOP's real position of race baiting the election against blacks.

I'm just kidding!

I'm glad we agree, we don't see much of that word anymore do we?!

Its sad however how the media is eating up the racial divisions and doing more broaden them than close them by keep making it a point to hammer it home every freaking day.

7/25/2008 4:13:10 PM

Quote :

"And why is it fine for one race to be able to vote based on color but not for another? It's either totally acceptable or toally wrong, it can't be both ways."

We've already has multiple n-page threads on this issue, if you didn't change your mind after those, what makes you think you will now? There's no need to derail this thread because of your narrow mindedness.

Quote :

"Its sad however how the media is eating up the racial divisions and doing more broaden them than close them by keep making it a point to hammer it home every freaking day."

I do agree with this though. The media is not doing anything to try and shed light on the issues, they're just exploiting them as much as they can.

[Edited on July 25, 2008 at 4:57 PM. Reason : ]

7/25/2008 4:56:41 PM