they got rid of the wrong guys. they should've gotten rid of tim kring

11/3/2008 12:30:29 PM

Just so this doesn't get lost, I'll just repost.

'Heroes' duo get the ax
Alexander, Loeb fired in shakeup
from Variety:

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"Big shakeup on the staff of NBC's "Heroes" came down on Sunday with the axing of co-exec producers Jesse Alexander and Jeph Loeb. Both scribe-producers had been with the show since its first season and were known to have led the day-to-day production operation under the direction of creator/exec producer Tim Kring. "Heroes," produced by Universal Media Studios, has struggled in the ratings its third season. It's understood that Alexander and Loeb were let go because of Peacock execs' frustration with the creative direction of the show. The show is also said to have been grappling with hefty budget overruns this season, that are going well beyond its already sizable $4 million per-seg pricetag. Reps for NBC and UMS declined comment."

11/3/2008 12:35:53 PM

Well this is bad news. Have they already shot the whole 3rd season already? It would suck to have the change up mid-season.

11/3/2008 2:28:23 PM

This show is pretty much already gone, guys...

The first season was great. It's really been downhill since.

11/4/2008 8:17:55 AM

Claire's real mom is talking to Joe the Plumber

11/10/2008 9:36:45 PM

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"This show is pretty much already gone, guys... The first season was great. It's really been downhill since."

Pretty much... they just lost direction after the first season, maybe the second wouldn't have been as bad if it hadn't been cut short, but I doubt it. Pretty sad, since it had potential. I am watching right now, and I am just meh about it.

11/10/2008 9:53:01 PM

that was a pretty awesome ending

11/10/2008 10:01:15 PM

^

11/10/2008 10:04:58 PM

what is with the kum ba- ya shit in the preview though?

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM. Reason : ag]

11/10/2008 10:06:03 PM

what in the hell was that??

except for the ending...

i mean...ok. not all of it was terrible. learning more about arthur petrelli's death & why angela could do a 180 on her husband...ok that's good. elle and sylar scenes? bad. claire's mom and her brother? terribly bad. overall i'm not fond of the flashback episode at all.

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 10:22 PM. Reason : ]

11/10/2008 10:19:00 PM

i'm done

I finished tonight's episode and promptly removed the series from my DVR.

The last straw was having yet another episode where Hiro and Ando are pushed to the back. have those guys even had an episode's worth of screen time yet this season?

11/10/2008 10:38:20 PM

well hiro was the entire reason you saw all the flashback stuff...

11/11/2008 4:18:50 AM

that was horrible

this season will be the last, if the show even makes it to the end of this season

All of that could have easily been revealed in a web comic

The only reason they did this is to pull on the nostalgia factor to make people remember how awesome season 1 was.

I was watching it with the wife last night, and she said, "oh yeah, I forgot Peter was a nurse"

I think that was posted in an article, but that's something that really bothered me. They have lost all sense of being real people with sudden abilities. Now they are all superheroes, with it being odd to find someone that doesn't have a power.

Such a shame, but I guess it's time to find a new show.

11/11/2008 8:19:43 AM

yall are haters. I liked last night's episode.

also the sweet ending. hopefully they'll just kill hiro now

11/11/2008 11:38:26 AM

^ if that happens, or even if he just takes hiro's powers now petrelli is the only one who can travel in time, and he can heal himself, read/control minds, blow himself up and survive... show over right?

^^ I said the same thing, it was also nostalgic to tie in some of the story lines like in season 1, the poisoning/heart attack, Claires mom starting the fire that Claire saved that guy from, to name a few

[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason : -]

11/11/2008 11:41:08 AM

you are still forgetting when hiro time traveled in season 1 to the subway with peter, where he was speaking perfect english, and was on a real mission..he still isnt at that point, sooo...something has to happen

11/11/2008 12:11:12 PM

that future from season 1 changed. the only thing we know now is ando is supposed to kill him

11/11/2008 12:21:05 PM

^ that's probably changed too since Ando knows about it

11/11/2008 12:40:05 PM

Elimination of all time traveling abilities is an excellent way to help make this show worthwhile again. At least then they won't rehash the exact same plot every year. I like Hiro, but if he has to die to make this show get back on track, so be it! They can give Peter his power to use other people's power's he's met back, but just without anything he'd previously learned.

Time travel in shows like this always open up a billion plot holes.

11/11/2008 6:31:17 PM

they are all going to re-manifest their power from square one when the eclipse happens again next ep.

11/11/2008 10:59:08 PM

so is it just me, or was that entire train sequence with claire's mom the worst acted/scripted scene ever? that flint guy is also the dumbest character ever, because only he would actually be ok with being imprisoned. that really annoyed me for some reason

11/12/2008 9:11:52 AM

I really don't understand what was going on in the train thing.

11/12/2008 9:17:28 AM

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"they are all going to re-manifest their power from square one when the eclipse happens again next ep."

It's not happening again, it's another flashback episode to the first eclipse (the intro to the show since day 1)

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"I really don't understand what was going on in the train thing."

yeah, I thought it was stupid too.

11/12/2008 9:28:47 AM

i think they attempted to close the time travel plot holes by having hiro "vow" to never again travel to the past.

11/12/2008 12:20:07 PM

what i dont get is why the African guy had his head cut off and why he didn't see it comin?

11/12/2008 2:31:16 PM

my prediction: hiro is seeing the african dude die and petrelli come to him in the future, it aint gonna happen...

11/12/2008 7:43:04 PM

like every ep of heroes, this week's was fun to watch but quickly sucked once you thought about it.

this week's flashbacks especially disregarded the established timeline. we saw events that happened both in the pilot and in the 1st season flashback ep (that took 6 months before the pilot) happen intertwined as one narrative

11/12/2008 9:10:34 PM

Incredibly bad episode. The Elle + Sylar thing was pointless. "Oh lets try to drive the fact even further home that Sylar really is a nice guy!" And when we saw Sylar and Elle meet earlier, you really got no feeling that they had any sort of prior connection as was implied here.

The train thing also sucked. It drove me nuts how he let the flame girl go because she thought they killed her daughter. He gave no such leniency to Claire's dad.

The Petrelli thing wasn't terrible, but they really pushed for Mrs. Pettreli to be much nicer towards her children than she has been in the past. She had no trouble with putting her children into harm's way in season 1. She didn't so much as flinch when Nathan was shot, presumably dead ("Well, it had to happen"). And they kept having her playing favorites in a devious way. "You're my favorite, Peter." "You're my favorite Gabriel."

Blah.

11/12/2008 9:20:38 PM

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"And when we saw Sylar and Elle meet earlier, you really got no feeling that they had any sort of prior connection as was implied here."

i know i spoiled it, but this was my beef with the article i read and posted on the bottom of page 8. it made no sense to me that they would use Elle to go back and deal with Sylar as he was discovering his ability for that very reason.

11/12/2008 9:25:25 PM

did they ever explain why he lost his powers in season 2? or have they just completely avoided that whole season?

11/13/2008 12:33:35 PM

maybe his severe injuries caused it from the last ep of season 1. I dunno

11/13/2008 12:50:06 PM

^^ he didnt know who he was, so he didnt know he had them

11/13/2008 1:05:58 PM

are you sure he didn't know who he was? because wasn't it his idea to go see suresh? I really can't remember much about that season anymore honestly

11/13/2008 3:44:53 PM

I think this is the first heroes episode i ever fell asleep during. I just don't think it's as engaging as the first season.

11/13/2008 3:47:46 PM

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"did they ever explain why he lost his powers in season 2? or have they just completely avoided that whole season? "

the company gave him the Shanti virus

11/13/2008 4:43:16 PM

oh right, the virus, I forgot about that one

11/13/2008 8:49:46 PM

sorry confused myself he didnt know who he was at first when he popped up in ireland

11/13/2008 8:55:17 PM

peter was in ireland, sylar had the shanti virus (if this isn't clear)

11/14/2008 1:53:54 AM

No one watching tonight?

11/17/2008 9:43:05 PM

oooooooooooooo

11/17/2008 10:01:55 PM

Am I the only one who liked this week's episode? Kept me entertained.

I'm not quite sure what they are trying to do, but it seems like they are trying to start afresh with this whole second eclipse idea.

And can someone clarify....so now that Sylar can show empathy he can gain powers from people without having to kill them? So now he's just basically what Peter used to be?

And why does Hiro think he is 10 just cus Papa Petrelli had his hands on his dome? Is that just the extent of his memory that was erased or somethin?

11/17/2008 10:14:06 PM

I wonder how they're going to explain why Claire's the catalyst. Since season one, they've set her to be the keystone of everything, but they never really explained what was so special about her. Early on, it was the fact that if Sylar got her ability he'd be unstoppable, but now it's changing into something else.

11/17/2008 10:15:14 PM

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"I wonder how they're going to explain why Claire's the catalyst."

Supposedly Kaito Nakamura hid the catalyst in a human host, rather than keeping a formula lying around. And remember, it was Kaito Nakamura that handed baby Claire to Noah Bennett in "Company Man."

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"Am I the only one who liked this week's episode?"

I liked it except for:

1) Sylar acting like Dr. Phil, and
2) Once again, no Noah Bennett at all.

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"And can someone clarify....so now that Sylar can show empathy he can gain powers from people without having to kill them?"

He's very much like Peter and Papa Petrelli -- they all three have similar abilities. It seemed to me like Sylar still had to touch the subject, but I could be wrong.

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"And why does Hiro think he is 10 just cus Papa Petrelli had his hands on his dome? Is that just the extent of his memory that was erased or somethin?"

Papa Petrelli was interrupted during the process (by Ando), so maybe he just didn't finish. Or maybe he didn't think it necessary to completely eliminate his memory or kill him.

11/18/2008 12:09:13 AM

So does Papa Petrelli have Hiros power? I know Hiro obviously still has it, but when Petrelli walked up behind (I think Sylar, maybe Knox or someone) he made the teleport noise.

And Andos "LEAVE MY FRIEND ALONE" looked like an attack from power rangers or something.

11/18/2008 5:36:33 AM

i really really enjoyed this episode. it made up for the travesty that was last week's, though they still need to step it up. next week's looks interesting.



and i officially have a crush on shirtless Zachary Quinto that was hot

11/18/2008 9:10:20 AM

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"So does Papa Petrelli have Hiros power? I know Hiro obviously still has it, but when Petrelli walked up behind (I think Sylar, maybe Knox or someone) he made the teleport noise"

He did teleport, but he teleported first to Africa to attack Hiro. My understanding is that he got the ability from Peter. I'm curious about how he got the ability to wipe minds. Is that the another manifestation of Parkman's ability, or is this The Haitian's? Given the Haitian's ability to nullify others' powers is it even possible for his to be stolen? Also, where did he first get the ability to read minds/control others if Parkman and his dad were both living before all of this began?

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"Supposedly Kaito Nakamura hid the catalyst in a human host, rather than keeping a formula lying around. And remember, it was Kaito Nakamura that handed baby Claire to Noah Bennett in "Company Man.""

Ok, that makes a lot more sense than having a reason for why Claire was naturally different from the other heroes.

Which side are Sylar and Elle playing for? Now, that he's good it would seem that his goal would be to undermine Arthur's group. Having been pushed away from the company, Elle might logically move to the other side, but like Sylar she's trying to come to terms with her powers and not seeing them as something monstrous.

[Edited on November 18, 2008 at 9:18 AM. Reason : .]

11/18/2008 9:17:41 AM

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"Also, where did he first get the ability to read minds/control others if Parkman and his dad were both living before all of this began?"

He could have gotten it from anywhere, for all we know there was some ancient character with psychic abilities that he took.

11/18/2008 9:24:29 AM

haha that was awesome when Claire tried to stand up to dem 2 niggas then she got clowned

11/18/2008 10:43:28 AM

I hate to say it but I am starting to get disappointed in this season too now. Cmon, make up your mind with the direction of the story and go with it. Stop jumping around all over the place and write up some decent dialog with a purpose. The show is starting to look like Lost now.

11/18/2008 11:47:07 AM

nm

[Edited on November 18, 2008 at 10:41 PM. Reason : misread the post]

11/18/2008 10:31:51 PM