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"Saturday, placed in an impossible position, Evans struggled. His first pass was a hopeless lob 10 yards past its intended target. His second was nearly intercepted as well. He spent the rest of his time mired in miserable field position, throwing on third down into the teeth of a blitzing defense."

what the hell does "impossible position" mean? is it impossible for him to play even halfway decent against a 1-AA team? i fail to see how being made the starting quarterback against the worst team on our schedule creates an impossible position.

and throwing on third down into "the teeth of a blitzing defense?" give me a break N&O. this isn't some powerhouse SEC defense we we playing that was just flying all over the field. it was WILLIAM AND FUCKING MARY. do you know why we had to throw on third down into that nasty d-1AA defense? it's because evans couldn't complete a damn pass to save his life.


like someone said, typical N&O fanbase hate. god forbid the fans don't just roll over and accept a losing effort to a FCS team. let's just go 0-12 every year, but as long as we're all friends and root for the home team and everyone has fun, it's ok right? then we can go back to our world of clouds and butterflies.

9/9/2008 1:12:34 PM

what a bullshit article.

I never boo our own players, and I didn't boo Evans either.

But he SUCKED on Saturday, and made his own bed. The "impossible situation" was his own lack of ability.

9/9/2008 1:24:11 PM

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"This is a Luke Decock column from today's N&O..."

That shit read like a fucking feed the children in africa ad...

terrible.

9/9/2008 2:22:49 PM

Yeah, that article works a lot better when the replacement doesn't come in and put up 23x more yards than you in 10 more minutes of play.

9/9/2008 2:54:15 PM

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"let's just go 0-12 every year, but as long as we're all friends and root for the home team and everyone has fun"

Yes.... let's be Duke

9/9/2008 3:41:52 PM

At least Duke has Basketball to fall on.

9/9/2008 3:46:27 PM

hmm...this is all interesting to me.

i booed. many people booed around me. it was my intention and my impression that the others were not booing daniel evans, but in fact booing the coaches who decided to play evans. i never heard any "booo! evans, you suck!!!" but i heard lots of "booo! take him out!" and "booo! put in beck!!" which obviously are addressed to the coaches. at least in my section it was pretty clear that the negative reaction was directed at the coaches much more than evans.

does it make evans feel any better? no. it's clear that we all think...know...that he sucks. but it's also clear that we didn't need some douche from the N&O to tell us how much the situation sucks for evans, how much he cares for the program, and what a great guy he is. booing the coaches' decision to play him doesn't detract from those things.

9/9/2008 10:27:53 PM

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"my impression that the others were not booing daniel evans, but in fact booing the coaches who decided to play evans."

indeed. like you said, not much of a consolation, but nothing personal to evans.

9/9/2008 11:05:31 PM

Coach O'brien made a point on his radio show tonight to discourage anyone from booing. He pointed out that it hurts recruiting and also booing does not help anyone to play any better.

9/9/2008 11:31:51 PM

No no TWW knows more than O'Brien. Where have you been?

It's cool to boo your own players.

9/9/2008 11:35:28 PM

of course a coach wouldn't want his fans to boo

it means his team is fucking up... and if it continues, it'll eventually turn to the coach and ultimately his firing (although at nc state, you tend to have quite a while until that happens)



[Edited on September 10, 2008 at 7:36 AM. Reason : .]

9/10/2008 7:35:54 AM

Really. Believe me fans don't want to boo. They'd probably rather be cheering. Fans aren't going to cheer after a few (more) INTs and a lot (more) incompletions.

[Edited on September 10, 2008 at 7:57 AM. Reason : -]

9/10/2008 7:57:03 AM

we're in the 5th season in a row of shit quarterback play



i didn't, but i dont care if people boo based on that fact alone.



We may suck with the next guy we put in, but at least it shows we're trying something different.

9/10/2008 9:58:52 AM

Well what exactly are you accomplishing by booing? Do people think the coaching staff didn't realize that our offense was ineffective so they had to let him know?

9/10/2008 11:32:05 AM

that we've had enough of evans

as much as he likes nc state, as hard as he works, blah blah blah

he can't cut it and we're sick of watching him. I'd rather get blown out with somebody else than him because we all fucking know what he's going to do

9/10/2008 11:39:02 AM

I don't think I've ever booed our players or team at a game. I was too busy crying

9/10/2008 11:42:48 AM

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"Head Coach Tom O'Brien talked about how annoyed he was with the fan's reactions to Evans play on his weekly radio show. "It's pretty frustrating to listen to people boo thinking it's going to make somebody better," O'Brien said. "By booing somebody you don't make them better." O'Brien went on to talk about how the boos could be a turnoff to potential recruits that attend games. "I think it was a bad situation, and hopefully we'll be smarter than that in the future," O'Brien said."

9/10/2008 12:46:02 PM

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"Well what exactly are you accomplishing by booing?"

evans came out of the game and someone actually passed for positive yards, and we avoided a humiliating loss.

9/10/2008 1:52:16 PM

But the booing didn't actually cause that.

9/10/2008 1:53:15 PM

doesn't correlation imply causation?

9/10/2008 2:02:13 PM

if you think thats the reason he was pulled (the booing) then you are delusional

9/10/2008 2:11:23 PM

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"turnoff to potential recruits"

my beef with booing

9/10/2008 2:17:52 PM

there wasnt any booing when beck was playing was there? (serious question, I wasnt at the game)


Whether or not it had an effect (highly doubt it), people arent going to keep cheering and losing their voice when you know evans is a.) either going to go 3 and out b.) throw an INT c.) throw a pick 6. d.) all of the above

At the SC game, I was cheering my ass off on defense. For offense I was trying not to gouge my eyes out.

[Edited on September 10, 2008 at 2:22 PM. Reason : as]

9/10/2008 2:21:41 PM

No there was no booing for Beck. In fact there was cheering when Beck threw an incomplete pass. BUT this incomplete pass was thrown 20+ yards to the endzone..something we haven't seen out of evans since BC and FSU two years ago.

9/10/2008 2:30:28 PM

^ had those 2 endzone passes not been caught remarkably by Dunlap, they also would've been picks.

9/10/2008 2:35:26 PM

^truth

9/10/2008 3:19:23 PM

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"if you think thats the reason he was pulled (the booing) then you are delusional"

if you think i was seriously saying that correlation implies causation then you're more lost in ST than i thought.

9/10/2008 3:36:30 PM

the way I see it is... how else can a fan show his displeasure with the team/program/coach that will be noticed by the intended target

1. Do not attend games
2. Do not donate money

which most State fans (and any real fan of a team) will not do so all that is left is

3. Boo

or we could all just continue like nothing is wrong and take it and send the message that we are content to get shit on in every sport and have Fowler get even more comfortable as AD as he continues to fuck up our shit

9/10/2008 3:46:20 PM

I don't think our coaching staff is content with losing whether we boo or not.

9/10/2008 6:29:54 PM

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"It's pretty frustrating to listen to people boo thinking it's going to make somebody better," O'Brien said. "By booing somebody you don't make them better."

For all you booers (I'm a swearer myself), did you boo because you thought that your efforts would make Evan's performance better? Seriously, who boos because they think it will make someone start playing better? Sure it will probably undermine the player's confidence and make them perform even worse, just saying that better play out of the same player probably isn't the motivation.

^^We could also give him a reward for outstanding performance as AD. It's like reverse psychology.

[Edited on September 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM. Reason : -]

9/10/2008 7:45:21 PM

I was really drunk and not booing, but I might have been heard saying BURN THE FUCKING REDSHIRT.

booing is lame.

9/10/2008 7:58:09 PM

once again, I wasn't booing, but the people I talked to that booed did not think they would help evans. They wanted the coaching staff to put someone else in that wouldnt curl up in the fetal position or throw an interception when the pocket broke down.

I think its ignorant of O'Brien to think that people were booing a) only evans, and b) booing because they thought it would make him play better.

People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.
People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.
People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.
People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.
People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.
People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.
People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.
People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.
People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.
People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.
People booed because they have been putting up with the same bullshit at QB for 5 seasons now.


There were 55,000 people in a stadium to watch a team that hadn't put up 1 point in their last 10 quarters of play. Pretty fucking amazing if you ask me.

[Edited on September 10, 2008 at 8:13 PM. Reason : ]

9/10/2008 8:11:38 PM

yeah, that's a pretty ridiculous quote by o'brien. interesting he thinks we were actually booing daniel evans and not o'brien himself and his coaching staff that let him stay out there for so long.

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"There were 55,000 people in a stadium to watch a team that hadn't put up 1 point in their last 10 quarters of play. Pretty fucking amazing if you ask me."

what? no wai were da worstest fan basez eva!

[Edited on September 10, 2008 at 8:15 PM. Reason : ]

9/10/2008 8:13:55 PM

yeah everyone there was part of the "lunatic fringe"

9/10/2008 8:18:48 PM

Bill Cowher can't stomach State fans' booing
Bill Cowher Resignation Announcement

By Adam Harris

Posted: Sep. 10 4:49 p.m.
Updated: Sep. 10 7:26 p.m.

Tom O'Brien is not alone in his sentiments on how fans should treat college athletes.

The issue of fans booing players was addressed by O'Brien on his Tuesday night coach's show. The discussion's origin was fans at Carter-Finley expressing their displeasure with Wolfpack quarterback Daniel Evans during the William & Mary game.

BIll Cowher was a guest on 99.9 The Fan's afternoon show Wedneday with Scott Jackson and Mark Thomas. The issue of his alma mater's treatment of Evans was part of their conversation.

"That is something I would never condone," says Cowher.

A former Wolfpack linebacker and team captain, Cowher doesn't feel that it's fair for fans to boo college players.

"I don't know if it was directed at the quarterback," the former Steelers coach added. "Certainly I think the expectations are very high for NC State."

Among other topics, Cowher also discussed how much he likes the Carolina Panthers this year and how the Patriots will do without Tom Brady with The Insiders.

The full interview can be heard by following the link to the right on this page.

http://www.wral.com/sports/999thefan/story/3524173/

9/11/2008 12:24:47 PM

I hate our fans.

None of those fat, out of shape fuckers who boo and act like assholes in the stands would last a day out there in the field.

9/11/2008 12:41:53 PM

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"None of those fat, out of shape fuckers who boo and act like assholes in the stands would last a day out there in the field."

That argument is just as bad as saying "I'd like to see you do better" to people who say Evans sucks.

The fans are paying to be there, either through tuition or tickets. The players are having their tuition paid for them. The fans, out-of-shape or not, have a legitimate reason to expect quality gameplay on the field.

9/11/2008 12:54:21 PM

BUT I PURCHASED LTRs.... I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BOOOOOO IF I WANT

fucking

great job state fans. making us look pathetic every year for something different.
im so glad i dont fall into the stupid idiot booing section

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"That argument is just as bad as saying "I'd like to see you do better" to people who say Evans sucks."

that statement has nothing to do with Evans sucking...it has to do with 99% of you people not being able to do better. the people that are tired of that arguement are the same people that know its true. you cant do any better so im sorry the truth hurts.

just like the truth is that DE shouldnt have been in there playing but the fans still should shut the fuck up with the booos. there were 25 football recruits and families at the game. one of them were interviewed about the boos and i posted it in this thread saying how disappointing it was to hear that coming from the fans.

[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM. Reason : sdf]

9/11/2008 12:58:23 PM

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"that statement has nothing to do with Evans sucking...it has to do with 99% of you people not being able to do better. the people that are tired of that arguement are the same people that know its true. you cant do any better so im sorry the truth hurts."

DON'T EVER COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING YOU CAN NOT DO YOURSELF NO MATTER HOW MUCH TIME AND MONEY YOU HAVE INVESTED IN IT

gtfo with that argument... I don't see the problem with fans being disappointed at their team sucking, no matter whose feelings it hurts

9/11/2008 1:08:29 PM

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"that statement has nothing to do with Evans sucking...it has to do with 99% of you people not being able to do better. the people that are tired of that arguement are the same people that know its true. you cant do any better so im sorry the truth hurts."

I'm not tieing it to Evans being bad, I'm tieing it to the fact that saying "You can't do any better" is simply irrelevant and meaningless. Both arguments are tied to the same string of thought that fans shouldn't complain if they can't perform as well as the players, which is absolutely silly.

9/11/2008 1:15:30 PM

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"That may not matter to some, but it should. If there was ever a player State fans were willing to cut a little slack, wouldn't it be -- shouldn't it be -- this one?"

Yeah I cut him slack last year. This year...? Enough's enough. GTFO.

9/11/2008 1:16:36 PM

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"that statement has nothing to do with Evans sucking...it has to do with 99% of you people not being able to do better. the people that are tired of that arguement are the same people that know its true. you cant do any better so im sorry the truth hurts."

That's a just a horrible argument.

9/11/2008 1:17:45 PM

fans being disappointed and booing are totally different IMO and apparently Bill Cowher's also.
at least i side with a super bowl winner

[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 1:22 PM. Reason : ed]

9/11/2008 1:21:59 PM

if you don't want to boo, then don't do it

but it pisses me off when those that don't boo act like they're so much better fans than the ones that do, which is such bullshit. it's just fans expressing their feelings differently.

and I also think the thing about recruits is stupid because they can see the game and they can see the shitty offense on display. Any recruit that has talent should have enough confidence in themselves that they can perform at the next level and avoid the boos. State fans don't boo every single time we have an incomplete pass or a loss on a run. This is built up frustration from years of sucky offenses.

9/11/2008 1:32:02 PM

i think most fan bases around the country would boo if their were in our shoes

interesting article about other fan bases booing their own team, and these teams (Mich St, Ohio St) are national powerhouses

http://tinyurl.com/5bgatq

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"great job state fans. making us look pathetic every year for something different. im so glad i dont fall into the stupid idiot booing section"

thanks to the media


[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM. Reason : link]

9/11/2008 1:42:18 PM

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"That argument is just as bad as saying "I'd like to see you do better" to people who say Evans sucks. The fans are paying to be there, either through tuition or tickets. The players are having their tuition paid for them. The fans, out-of-shape or not, have a legitimate reason to expect quality gameplay on the field. "

No. It has everything to do with being a mature adult. Not acting like an asshole in public. Football game or not, you are in PUBLIC.

Fans need to have some goddamn class and not act so stupid. The fact that ESPN.com and the ACC sports radio show down here mentioned how we boo all the time really sheds a negative light on our program and the people around it.

Booing YOUR OWN TEAM does make you a bad fan. It also makes the entire fanbase look retarded. And this kind of shit DOES deter recruits. Our quarterback sucks. Everyone knew it. Even the quarterback. So why act like a dickhead by demoralizing someone in front of 55,000 people???

State fans need to quit putting so much sugar in their Kool-Aid and start acting like rational human beings.

9/11/2008 1:46:19 PM

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"Our quarterback sucks. Everyone knew it. Even the quarterback. "

And he was still on the field.

That was the problem.


Rational human being? We're talking about people who spend a lot of money and a lot of hours researching and watching a GAME that is played by 18-23 year old kids and most people take it very seriously. College sports, and sports in general, are not very rational to begin with.

[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 2:00 PM. Reason : .]

9/11/2008 2:00:20 PM

man gunzz is trolling hard in this thread

let's try getting of the high horses here, or at least make an attempt at a decent argument

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"how we boo all the time"

and that is just not true, we are not booing all the time, the last time I remember it being a big deal was booing Chuck Amato at the end of our glorious 3-9 season, and his last

we've tried to support Evans for two miserable seasons now and I still think the booing was more directed at the coaching staff for keeping Evans in for so much suffering

(I did not boo Evans now or Amato back then fyi, but I can understand years of frustration boiling over for some diehard fans)

9/11/2008 2:04:25 PM

I didn't boo anybody, but I totally understand people who were booing in W&M game.
TOB, yes, booing doesn't make players better. What make players better? Maybe training? But what did you and they do in training? Why they became worse and worse?
If booing hurts recruiting, shutout in a nationally televised game even hurt more, shutout back-to-back even hurt more.
What do you want us to do with no scoring in 9 and half quarters? Cheering? Or keeping silicence? Ok, maybe I should keep silence, maybe I shouldn't go the game at all. Then noboday will boo you.
Hi, super bowl coach, "Certainly I think the expectations are very high for NC State". Did you see fans even cheered for an incomplete pass? We are not expecting team wins any championship this year. but we are also not expecting no first down in 1.5 quarters especially playing with team like William&Mary.

9/11/2008 2:16:51 PM

Yeah, saying we boo all the time is ridiculous. I've actually been pretty amazed by how little we've booed in the past, that was probably the 3rd time I've heard boos and I've been to every home game in the past 3 years.

9/11/2008 2:19:06 PM