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"no one is going to take away one of the amendments of the bill of rights"

What is all this ruckus about the Patriot Act then?

11/11/2008 5:41:44 AM

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"Many of the guns we are discussing here WERE illegal to purchase from 1994 to 2004"

the only thing banned was production, which inflated the prices of them.

11/11/2008 6:20:56 AM

^^ ohhh the patriot act. that is my favorite. i love a good overreaction.

besides, he said TAKE AWAY. that is different than LIMITING constitutional rights. which we can see that both sides like to do. not that either one is desirable (duh).

11/11/2008 7:09:54 AM

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"People who fear inanimate objects need help."

People who fear "the liberal agenda" and "activist judges" need help.

11/11/2008 8:50:54 AM

this thread is getting [old]

11/11/2008 8:56:01 AM

^^ YOU ARE ONE STUPID FUCK SON.

THIS SHIT ALREADY HAPPENED IN 1994 AND THE RECENTLY PROPOSED AWB IS EVEN MORE ALL-ENCOMPASSING. NOW THAT SO MANY SUPPORTERS OF THE AWB ARE GOING TO BE IN OFFICE, IT'S A GUARANTEE THAT IT WILL BE PRESENTED TO THEM.

THIS BAN EXPIRED ONCE AND NOTHING HAPPENED. THERE'S NO REASON TO RE-ENACT IT, BUT THEY WILL BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID LIKE God.

THEY SEE NO HARM IN REMOVING THE RIGHTS OF CITIZENS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY THINK THE CITIZENS "HAVE NO NEED" FOR THESE RIGHTS. YOU DON'T REMOVE RIGHTS SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK PEOPLE "NEED" THEM YOU STUPID METRO ASS BITCH.


AGAIN I OFFER THIS:

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"WELL, YOU DON'T REALLY NEED MORE THAN 10 HAMBURGERS IN A DAY, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND OUTLAWING PACKAGES THAT CONTAIN MORE THAN 10 HAMBURGERS."

^ THEN LEAVE SON. BYE SON. o/~

11/11/2008 8:59:30 AM

well put Saab

11/11/2008 10:09:58 AM

It doesn't make sense when you're shouting like an idiot.

11/11/2008 10:12:22 AM

plz to embed

http://obamastillnotablack.ytmnd.com/

11/11/2008 10:12:52 AM

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"he said TAKE AWAY. that is different than LIMITING constitutional rights. which we can see that both sides like to do. not that either one is desirable"

Oh, I get it. It is only bad if you lose your constitutional rights all at once, instead of being slowly chipped away over time. The reason the return of the AWB alarms gun owners is the fact that it is only step one in the progressive erosion of the Second Amendment. Barack Obama has said he opposes concealed carry and would like to ban it nationally. So now we have a violation of possibly the second, but unquestionably the tenth amendment. He has been on record as being in favor of the prohibition of all handguns. According to DC v Heller this would be in violation of the 2A.

Telling me to sit back and relax because he is only going to impose restrictions on a few "bad" guns or that I shouldn't worry because he probably doesn't have the votes in congress is asinine. Just because the letter behind the President's name has changed from an (R) to a (D) doesn't magically mean everything is ok.

11/11/2008 10:31:11 AM

Yeah it's the whole 'give them an inch and they'll take a mile' concept.

Also I'm generally not supportive of MR.THAT'S METRO SON but he made a good point: the old one expired and nothing bad happened.

11/11/2008 11:00:11 AM

After official review, the ruling in the thread stands. women like khcaldwl should only initiate vocal communication when spoken to.

Her posts will be disregarded, play restarts with intelligent male discourse

11/11/2008 12:34:12 PM

OWWWW

11/11/2008 1:34:23 PM

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"i am not sitting here in constant fear that someone is going to come eat me in my sleep"

- i don't drive around with the constant fear that someone is going to run me off the road, but i wear my seatbelt because i'm not some naive fool who thinks nothing bad can ever happen to me

11/11/2008 1:49:47 PM

daddy's boy is here to tell us about being naive

LOL

11/11/2008 2:44:44 PM

hey look, its another liberal who is frightened of guns out of sheer ignorance

11/11/2008 2:46:59 PM

i'm not opposed to guns actually

wrong again, twista

11/11/2008 2:48:58 PM

i may rejoin the NRA, just as my way of making a stand

11/11/2008 3:19:19 PM

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"- i don't drive around with the constant fear that someone is going to run me off the road, but i wear my seatbelt because i'm not some naive fool who thinks nothing bad can ever happen to me "

i don't really follow. but, either way, i don't sit here thinking that nothing bad will ever happen. if you read my entire post you'd probably get the context of my statement better. oh and you'd probably realize that i'm not arguing for the 2nd amendment to be limited, eliminated, nor have i been arguing for gun regulation. i just do not think that handguns will be prohibited. i do not think that obama will get rid of concealed carry. just because a president is for/against something doesn't mean that their personal beliefs are necessarily implemented. i don't think that if mccain/palin had been elected that roe v. wade would be overturned.

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"According to DC v Heller this would be in violation of the 2A."

exactly

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"Telling me to sit back and relax because he is only going to impose restrictions on a few "bad" guns or that I shouldn't worry because he probably doesn't have the votes in congress is asinine. Just because the letter behind the President's name has changed from an (R) to a (D) doesn't magically mean everything is ok. "

obviously. again i haven't been arguing for gun regulation or saying it is ok. i said (and you quoted) that the limitation of constitutional rights by either side isn't desirable. the comment about the patriot act was just to show you that government, on both sides of the political spectrum, has "chipped away" at our constitutional rights over time. but when it is something like due process or a right to privacy, no one really gets their panties in a wad.

i think my point is just getting missed entirely since, somehow, by saying that i (PERSONALLY) do not think that handguns will be prohibited, and saying that i am not anti-gun, that i am some how arguing for gun regulation. but its whatev.

11/11/2008 5:21:44 PM

11/11/2008 6:01:46 PM

as long as we have all the people who know about guns here, does anyone have a link to a good list of current ownership laws and licensing procedures for various types of firearms? I know you can find the laws on Google but I'm looking for more of a practical general guide.

11/11/2008 6:10:31 PM

stupid redneck gun nuts. you are all scared of the black man arent you?

11/11/2008 7:07:20 PM

i love how every anti-gun liberal calls a pro-2nd amendment person a redneck

11/11/2008 7:22:21 PM

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"i don't really follow. but, either way, i don't sit here thinking that nothing bad will ever happen. if you read my entire post you'd probably get the context of my statement better. oh and you'd probably realize that i'm not arguing for the 2nd amendment to be limited, eliminated, nor have i been arguing for gun regulation. i just do not think that handguns will be prohibited. i do not think that obama will get rid of concealed carry. just because a president is for/against something doesn't mean that their personal beliefs are necessarily implemented. i don't think that if mccain/palin had been elected that roe v. wade would be overturned."

HAVE YOU HEARD OF ILLINOIS?


^^ A LOT OF "THE BLACK MAN" ARE VERY PRO-2A YOU DUMB RACIST BITCH.

11/11/2008 7:46:46 PM

Most of my views are pretty liberal, but i support the 2nd amendment because I've seen no proof that any good could come of weakening it.

11/11/2008 11:45:30 PM

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"stupid redneck gun nuts. you are all scared of the black man arent you? "

That was a joke, I was just checking to see if anyone in here knew me.

me

[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ads]

11/11/2008 11:48:33 PM

11/11/2008 11:49:08 PM

And I forgot to come back and edit earlyer.

[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 11:51 PM. Reason : And why do I have to be a racist bitch? Im a racist honky.]

11/11/2008 11:50:15 PM

So, after reading ten pages of idiotic dribble, I figured I would jump in.

The current AWB is a terrible waste of legislation that will do absolutely nothing against crime.
Any citizen should have the right to posses what ever type of weapon they want. If I want to carry a .22 single shot pistol, that should be allowed. If I want to carry around a Mac10 or Uzi, that should be allowed as well. If I for some reason decide that I want to sling an MP5, that should be allowed.
Guess what, I can do all of that right now if I go through and do the proper paper work.

When you take away weapons from an area, that area is seen as a target. Lets look at England for an example. They banned guns. The police are not even armed in most cases. They carry a club. Crime has sky rocketed. I'll give you a guess what took a gun's place. Knives. They are now looking at banning the carry of knives because the knives are violent. Wait, how are knives violent. The same way guns kill people? Oh that's right, it is the criminals that use them. But the LAC (law abiding citizen) is no longer allowed to defend themselves.

And I do agree that the second amendment will not disappear. It will have so many laws restricting it that it might as well be imaginary. The plans are to ban any weapon that uses a removable magazine. Ban any magazines over a certain capacity (california already bans > 10). Ban any gun stores within 10 miles of a school, park, or federal property. Tax ammunition up to 500 percent more. This will effectively shut down the gun market.
This will kill the manufacturers. I see it now, US military to import weapons and 200 billion bailout planned to save weapons manufacturer.

As said before,
I wear a seat belt because there might be a collision, not that I expect it.
I have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen in case of a fire, not that I expect it.
I have an spare in the car in case of a flat, not that I expect it.
I have a weapon in the case of immediate threat to me or loved ones, not that I expect it.

People who are pro-gun, pro-2A are not all red necks. We are just well informed. We know that crime can happen to ANYONE. Most crimes are those of opportunity. Locks are there just to keep honest people honest. Ban weapons and the only ones who are already breaking the law will have them.

11/12/2008 12:58:38 AM

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"The police are not even armed in most cases."

Evidently this is changing slowly, as every year more and more police are carrying or have a weapon locked in the boot.

11/12/2008 1:01:14 AM

^Locked in the trunk, I'm sure it is readily accessible.

Some other sayings:

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
I carry a gun because a cop doesn't fit in my pocket.

11/12/2008 1:23:26 AM

aha, ima laugh if they take your guns away

laugh all the way to the BANK

11/12/2008 1:38:14 AM

^^^^ EXACTLY SON.

11/12/2008 1:42:02 AM

^I know

11/12/2008 1:59:58 AM

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"the only thing banned was production, which inflated the prices of them."

Won't be the first time I was wrong on something.

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"aha, ima laugh if they take your guns away laugh all the way to the BANK"

I wonder how may Ruby Ridge's / Waco's this country could handle before they decide it was a bad idea.

11/12/2008 9:17:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf8x477c30

11/27/2008 12:42:56 AM

no wai!

11/27/2008 3:05:04 AM

11/27/2008 3:13:10 AM

ill keep my religion, guns and money


you can keep your "change"

11/27/2008 3:14:51 AM

OMG THAT IS SO CREATIVE!

did you just come up with it?

because if you did, you're a few months too late on that hip phrase

11/27/2008 9:40:45 AM

^^ hell no, you won't

we're coming to take away Christmas, the little baby Jesus, your handguns... and we're going to tax you 80% for the privilege!

11/27/2008 9:56:58 AM

Ah, the give all the white people's guns to the black people program.

[Edited on November 27, 2008 at 9:59 AM. Reason : ']

11/27/2008 9:58:50 AM

who is trying to steal religion? i forgot how that fit in

ohhhhhhhhhh he's muslim

it all makes sense now.

11/27/2008 9:59:45 AM

uniformed liberals talking about gun control would almost funny if it wasnt so scary that it could really happen. it is purely an emotional based argument with no facts or rational thinking behind it. I arrested an armed gang banger the other day. when i ran the serial number of his piece of shit Kel-Tec 9mm guess what......it was stolen. See liberals, follow close here it gets tricky, criminals by definition don't follow the law. he did not buy a gun and do the registration and back ground check, he traded a crack head some crack for a stolen weapon. Criminals will always bypass the law to get guns, gun laws just hurt honest citizens. Im perfectly ok with background checks and waiting periods, but dont take away my right to buy what i deem necessary to defend myself. Sure there are instances of criminals getting guns legally and then doing something crazy, or a crime of passion....but its the exception. Statistically most violent criminals get weapons illegally.

11/27/2008 11:37:06 AM

^ good point! i think i already made it earlier in the thread!!! WOW!

and i am a scary scary liberal

how does that work, exactly? does that make me informed?

11/27/2008 11:39:00 AM

yes, good job for understanding logic rather than hype

11/27/2008 12:06:03 PM

everyone need to watch Truth About Semi-Auto Firearms: The "Assault Weapons" Myth , posted ^^^^^^^^^

11/27/2008 12:33:09 PM

http://www.elwp.com/bho.html

11/27/2008 1:13:34 PM