shmorri2 All American 10003 Posts user info edit post |
for $10, I can't complain. No it's not the top of any comparison, aside from how much utility it offers for the price. 1/22/2011 11:16:40 PM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, it's not like it's overpriced or anything. That's true son.
I think you'd really enjoy a nicer piece though. Spyderco Delica 4 Full Flat Grind son.... 1/22/2011 11:18:25 PM |
shmorri2 All American 10003 Posts user info edit post |
^ I actually looked at those prior to my purchase... But I can get 4-6 Warthogs for the price of one Spyderco... Both have the same grip/handle G10 compound, but the blade on the Spyderco is more durable... How much more durable, I don't know... At least 4 times? 1/22/2011 11:20:50 PM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
You most likely didn't see the FFG version son. I'd bet money it was the saber grind (Black handle). The blade on that isn't really built for abuse. It's built for amazing fine detail capability. You'd keep the warthog for abuse, but use the Delica 4 FFG when you needed EXTREME sharpness. It will also hold an edge much longer and take a much nicer edge. It will be frighteningly sharp out of the box.
These are the FFG's:
http://www.gpknives.com/spyderco-delica-4-flat-ground-blue-frn.html
http://www.gpknives.com/spyderco-delica-4-flat-ground-brown-frn.html
http://www.gpknives.com/spyderco-delica-4-flat-ground-gray-frn.html
http://www.gpknives.com/spyderco-delica-4-flat-ground-green-frn.html
http://www.gpknives.com/spyderco-delica-4-flat-ground-purple-frn.html
This is the standard grind. It's stronger but wont cut as well. The FFG is like a laser beam.
They're also made in Japan to much higher quality levels than the Ka-Bar Warthog IMO. I mean, I could get 11 Delicas for the price of my Randy Doucette Outsider. But that's really not the point..
If you have to stick with Ka-Bar, I do like the Dozier Folding Hunters. Those are only $20-$25 if you get them at the right place. They also use much better steel than the Warthog. Not that AUS8 is great, but it's a decent steel and one that I actually like. The VG-10 you get with the Delica is a great steel though. The only steel Spyderco uses that surpasses it is CPM-S30V if you ask me.
[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 11:30 PM. Reason : t] 1/22/2011 11:26:54 PM |
shmorri2 All American 10003 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "You'd keep the warthog for abuse" |
pretty much why I got it... I didn't have to stick with Ka-Bar as I considered Buck and Gerber amongst them all. My buddies Buck is sharper out of the box, but his knife is also heavier and the grip/handle is a pos. The ergonomics is also uncomfortable, so it's a compromise. You can't really ask too much from a $10-$15 pocket knife. As long as it's durable enough for day to day use and can cut with relative easy, then it serves its purpose.
I really like the Spyderco Delica 4... Maybe one day Thanks for sharing 1/23/2011 8:11:05 PM |
Skack All American 31140 Posts user info edit post |
Phil Boguszewski folder.
[Edited on January 24, 2011 at 5:37 PM. Reason : s]
1/24/2011 5:33:31 PM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
Look at the grinds on that shit!! DAYUM. 1/25/2011 2:24:20 PM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
I just received the certificate of authenticity for my prototype! 1/28/2011 2:54:08 PM |
Skack All American 31140 Posts user info edit post |
^ Nice!
Some Sebenza action:
1/29/2011 5:00:39 PM |
Lobes85 All American 2425 Posts user info edit post |
Any recommendations for a good gut-hook/skinning knife? I've tried several cheaper knives this year and it makes cleaning a deer much more difficult with a gut hook that won't work 1/29/2011 10:23:30 PM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
i've never used a gut hook. never had a problem with a good, sharp knife. 1/29/2011 10:26:49 PM |
Lobes85 All American 2425 Posts user info edit post |
^Yeah I can get by with just a quality blade, but I'm partial to gut hooks too so if I can get both a quality knife with a quality hook, that'd be ideal 1/29/2011 10:41:08 PM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^ Nice dude!!
^ Just get a knife from Kyley Harris man. I suggest talking to him about which knife of his would best suit your needs. You wont need the gut hook if you get one of his knives man. The only dude making vids of Kyley's knives in actions is kind of dumb. Wako is a nice guy though and you can see Kyley's knife at work. I'm telling you, it is a superior design, no matter what Wako says works best for him personally. Kyley's knives are also ridiculously well priced. You'll have to wait but it's worth it dude. Just get a real knife and be done with it rather than searching around and buying lots of $50 knives. It's a one time $200 expenditure that will provide you with a LIFETIME of service. People are ready to spend lots more on firearms to shoot the deer, but then they don't want to spend the money to get the cutting tools that go along with hunting. It's a worthwhile investment and you don't have to feed it ammunition. Is $200 really that much for a tool that does exactly what you want it to, safely and effectively, every time? I think not, it is a far better value than the shitty $50-$100 production knives. His cKc 2.2 is the same size as a Chris Reeve Nyala and it outperforms it on every level with the exception of stainlessness (Which is simply due to the steels, not the knife design). He owns quite a few high end production and custom fixed blades and his knives outperform all of them because he does convex grinds. The CRK knives all have hollow grinds and convex edges, which are sharp as hell but the cutting geometry is poor. It's interesting because CRK knives cut better than most production knives, but when you compare them to a convex ground blade when trying to do heavy duty cutting (Particularly involving wood) they don't stack up. The CRK Nyala (S35VN steel) is ~$230, Kyley's limited run of cKc Thrives in S35VN were $220. If you get one in O1 it is even less (No more than $200 and possibly a good bit less, I guarantee it). There are no real operating cost involved other than sharpening, which is EASY with Kyley's knives as he uses O1. His knives are for real knife users, not for showing off who has the newest steel. He did a limited run in S35VN just to try out the steel, but O1 is actually a better choice in a field knife if you ask me.
Most of these super steels are shit for a field knife as you can't sharpen them in the field. O1 Tool Steel is tough, it has excellent edge holding when properly ground, it will get really sharp and it can be re-sharpened in 30 seconds or less unless there is some sort of major damage to the edge. It's not stainless, but that doesn't matter one bit. Use INOX (An excellent and completely non-toxic oil) and you'll be good to go. Also, if you do get light surface rust it doesn't matter. You can remove it with flitz. Many people purposely patina their high carbon steel knives so that they wont rust in use. High carbon steel is simply not a problem unless your goal is to keep the knife looking brand new and that is pointless in a real user. The usage marks and patina on your field knife should be a source of pride, they show that you actually put the knife to good use. Even if you rust the edge (Wont happen unless you're not even bothering to wipe off your blade before sheathing it, which is very unsanitary), O1 is easily brought back in one minute on the strop.
Again, don't worry about what Wako is saying, just look at the knives. He confuses himself quite often. The cKc will fit hands of all sizes, the other two wont. The other two look cool, yes, but the actual performance in the most number of situations and for the largest number of people is going to be the cKc, hands down. The first vid shows it dressing a deer, the second vid shows closeups of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HeqskoWihI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGeWOGV7Lj0 1/30/2011 7:51:36 AM |
Lobes85 All American 2425 Posts user info edit post |
^thanks for all of the info...I'd love to drop 200 on a quality knife but that just ain't happening. Any suggestions in the $80-100 range? 1/30/2011 9:12:17 AM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not all that comfortable recommending it when I know that for just a minor increase in price you can have a much better knife. The O1 cKc 2.2 was selling for barely over $100 on this last batch. That's a hand ground, convex edge knife. Even at $200, it's a steal. I don't know the exact price you'd be quoted, because he lost money on the last batch, but it would probably be around the $150 mark. I really don't get how that is "way too much" to spend on a tool that will last your entire life and is truly the best out there.
I don't think anything in that range will offer particularly high value. I will never understand the aversion to paying for the proper tool, but whatever. This knife below is based off of the knives that most meat processing is done with. It doesn't look like every other hunting knife because it's not designed for anything other than the meat processing part of a hunting trip. It is not a knife that will double as a survival type knife. Anyway, I doubt it will cost more than $85, as most sites have it listed for that price. This place probably has it listed for less since it's not listed on their site and their prices are usually quite low.
http://www.gpknives.com/benchmade-bone-collector-15000-skinning.html
Keep in mind that the knife below is a PRODUCTION knife. It is convex ground and made of A2 Tool steel. O1 is better in my opinion. This knife is considered by many to be extremely high performance. The blade is definitely good, but the handle isn't. My point here is that $100-$200 for a handmade knife that easily outperforms production knives of equal cost is insane. Kyley makes them as a hobby, not a business, that is why they're so inexpensive. He usually loses money on the knives he sells or barely breaks even. I don't think people realize the amount of work and expense that goes into making knives. Cheap knives are cheap for a reason, and I do believe that even $100 buys you a cheap knife. Why not just throw in the extra money to get the right tool the first time around? Over the course of your life, is an extra $50-$100 really that much?
With inexpensive production knives, everything that can be done to cut costs is done, the grinds and edge are not set up in a manner that maximizes cutting performance. You just don't get the performance that you'd get with a knife from Kyley. His knives are hand convexed with a stronger edge than the Bravo 1, while still cutting just as well. When you hit bone, you wont damage the edge on Kyley's knives. His knives will turn easily past bone as well. I don't know if you may have skipped that video simply because you saw the number 200, but the vid shows Wako commenting on that exact thing. Keep in mind, Wako is a customer, he is not in any way associated with Kyley. Also remember that there are people making $500 knives that cannot perform on the level of Kyley's knives. I recommended the best knife for the job at an extremely good price, anything else will be a downgrade in one way or another if you ask me. Here is an equivalently priced production knife, this is the bare minimum of performance I could recommend in good conscience:
http://www.bladehq.com/item--Bark-River-Knives-Bravo-1--6510
One Bark River that is pretty good for hunting use is the Fox River, but you're not saving any money over Kyley's work really:
http://www.gpknives.com/bark-river-fox-river-hunter-green-canvas-micarta.html
[Edited on January 30, 2011 at 6:51 PM. Reason : t] 1/30/2011 6:35:20 PM |
Skack All American 31140 Posts user info edit post |
Anybody want to buy a Spyderco Delica 4? $35 takes it.
1/30/2011 8:28:23 PM |
AlaskanGrown I'm Randy 4694 Posts user info edit post |
1/30/2011 8:34:12 PM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 1/30/2011 8:35:14 PM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
What's hilarious about the Paraframe is that one time I got $20 from a dude at work and bought that knife for him. He claimed he wanted a knife, but he was a HUGE pussy and was frightened of owning a knife apparently. So, he turned around and sold it that very night. I told him not to ask for anything else, I don't waste my time going off and buying shit for people who turn around and sell the shit that very day.
Btw, that edge is fucked. I've seen sharper butter knives.
[Edited on January 30, 2011 at 8:44 PM. Reason : t] 1/30/2011 8:41:57 PM |
Skack All American 31140 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ Lol. The tomato was supposed to be a stand. I don't just throw fruit in my pics for shits & giggles although it clearly wasn't necessary on that one pic.
[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 2:41 AM. Reason : l] 1/31/2011 2:40:45 AM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
So, basically tdub just lost my approval to display elements of the activities that we were going to be undergoing during the next few months.
It's quite unfortunate really, as the plan was going to be really awesome. I will still be implementing my half of the plan, but it will no longer be tdub public knowledge unfortunately son. I'll keep you updated on new knives as they come in, but the personal knife making activities will now remain distanced, as I know that this dude's friends will do nothing more than try to fuck up the business.
[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 6:00 PM. Reason : t] 2/10/2011 5:59:03 PM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
I present you with the FAZUK.
2/10/2011 7:35:46 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148427 Posts user info edit post |
http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=19448
pretty crazy] 2/20/2011 10:02:37 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148427 Posts user info edit post |
anybody ever toured AMARC?
2/24/2011 12:41:45 PM |
shmorri2 All American 10003 Posts user info edit post |
I've got a friend that's been looking for a "like new" condition Gerber BMF. I've found a couple on ebay (quite pricey though) and was thinking of getting it for a b/d present. Any other places I can try to find something like this?
3/22/2011 12:42:37 AM |
shmorri2 All American 10003 Posts user info edit post |
i am disappoint. No response 4/1/2011 1:33:44 AM |