sure it is, cost me nothing, I MIGHT get something for it, if I dont it cost me nothing, if I do, it cost me nothing, why not do it?

9/5/2012 11:13:53 PM

what if Cassell throws for 4 TDs this weekend and somebody picks him up?

Quote :

"not even in the same ballpark of analogies"

9/5/2012 11:14:20 PM

I still wouldnt start him over Romo... he will never see the light of day unless Romo gets hurt. If he does, there are other equally shitty QBs to go with.

9/5/2012 11:15:51 PM

i think i just saw someone tweet that a few minutes ago, why dont you post an original thought

[Edited on September 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM. Reason : waiting for jaybee to reply instead of being the bigger man and letting this go]

9/5/2012 11:16:40 PM

ah yes, a lot of Cassel/Romo tweets out there

[Edited on September 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM. Reason : waiting for TT10 to reply instead of being the bigger man and letting this go]

9/5/2012 11:17:09 PM

Romo is the 5th highest trending topic on twitter...

9/5/2012 11:17:54 PM

yeah, good thing it would have to be a Cassel / Romo tweet for your joke to make sense

9/5/2012 11:19:04 PM

its not a joke, its that you dont understand how twitter works, how many people are watching the first and only NFL game of the 2012 season, and how there would obviously be thousands of tweets about Ogletree after his 2nd touchdown

but back to the thread topic since you derailed it so much

do not pick up Ogletree just because he had a good first half in a Cowboys offense that has injured receiving weapons...if Panthro had made this thread he would agree

9/5/2012 11:21:45 PM

no idea what you are talking about with twitter, like I didnt know that... in fact, I said there were so many tweets going by that I couldnt remember who said it, which means I realize there are a lot of tweets about the game. What's great technological secret are you going to tell me next? that tv's require electricity?

unless you have nothing to lose and might gain something from it.

[Edited on September 5, 2012 at 11:24 PM. Reason : d]

9/5/2012 11:22:56 PM

i know you regret your decision to hastily pick up someone who got a couple first half touchdowns when 30 other NFL teams have yet to take a snap, but why keep derailing the thread?

i think Percy Harvin is gonna have a big game on Sunday

prediction: 8 catches, 132 yards, 2 touchdowns

9/5/2012 11:26:08 PM

I dont regret it because it cost me nothing, but thanks for the concern.


Harvin should go off.

9/5/2012 11:27:29 PM

fair enough jaybee, but this isnt about you, its about a general fantasy football/baseball/basketball tip to not over-react about one player based on doing well in part of one game

there is no need to drop a top-200 player starting QB like Cassell for a top-2500 player like Ogletree just because of a hot start...someone like Panthro who has been the fantasy football guru on here for the last 10 years would agree

9/5/2012 11:31:59 PM

unless you have nothing to lose which is what I have stated many times, once you get that we can go on... and since you have no idea who is available in my league and who isnt, you have no idea if Cassel is "nothing to lose" or not.

So why dont we just leave it at if YOU (the person reading this who knows the specifics of your own league) have nothing to lose go ahead and pick him up if you want, if YOU (the person reading this who knows the specifics of your own league) do, then dont.

and I originally made the thread, Panthro jumped me on it one year and I let him keep it... just for the record.



[Edited on September 5, 2012 at 11:36 PM. Reason : s]

9/5/2012 11:34:03 PM

Quote :

"i'm going with rivers. so romo will go for 300 3 and 1 tonight"

lol he went 307 3 TD, 1 INT...fml

9/5/2012 11:36:04 PM

lol

9/5/2012 11:36:31 PM

Rivers is playing Oakland...don't fuck your life just yet

9/5/2012 11:37:56 PM

yeah - it was more of a comment about my prognostication being spot on (and getting 42.5 pts in my league)

but rivers hasn't exactly set the world on fire the past few games vs oakland.

9/5/2012 11:55:15 PM

jesus christ 42 points?, what are your negatives for INTs, sacks, and incompletions?

9/5/2012 11:57:23 PM

QBs get negative points for sacks and incompletions?

Romo in my league got about 33 points

9/6/2012 12:10:29 AM

of course, why wouldnt they? and yes, I know its partly the o-line's fault but most of the time its also on the QB for not adjusting and getting the ball out soon enough, and theres no o-line in FF>

9/6/2012 12:14:32 AM

romo had 26.74 (-6 for INTs in my league). never been in a league that has negative points for incompletions and sacks...

9/6/2012 12:14:35 AM

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"never been in a league that has negative points for incompletions and sacks..."

me neither

9/6/2012 12:15:37 AM

I've never been in one that hasnt for incompletions, sacks are about 50/50. But seriously, QB accuracy has never been in your league? thats huge.


-6 for INTs is pretty harsh, unless TDs are +12 or something crazy

he had 24 in mine.

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:19 AM. Reason : d]

9/6/2012 12:18:48 AM

i doubt Panthro has ever been in leagues with negative points for a QB getting sacked or throwing incompletions

you didn't misread incompletions are interceptions, did you?

9/6/2012 12:20:06 AM

nope, every league I have been in has taken QB accuracy into account.

9/6/2012 12:21:44 AM

i wish you'd be more objective about what rules 99% of fantasy leagues follow

Panthro would have

9/6/2012 12:27:30 AM

Quote :

" -6 for INTs is pretty harsh, unless TDs are +12 or something crazy"

Passing TDs are +6 as opposed to the more standard +4. I like INTs being -6...of course it can be harsh, but it really does stress the importance of not turning the ball over. It makes a guy like Aaron Rodgers much more elite than a gunslinger who throws lots of TDs but also a lot of INTs

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:47 AM. Reason : Hhhhhhhhhhhh]

9/6/2012 12:34:03 AM

the league is points per completion/carry/catch, 1 pt per 25 yards, -2 for INT

so he got 11 pts for completions
12 for yardage
18 for TDs

he also had 5 rushes for 12 yards, so that was another 2.5 pts for carries and 1 pt for yardage

take off 2 points for the INT and there's your 42.5

but here's the thing. it's not a lot of points when everyone else gets scored the same way. if you're not ove 30 points for a QB in our league, you're having a shitty day

oh, we also don't get fractions. which sucks because I lost the league championship one year by half a point when they ruled a cotchery catch a 9 yard rush instead of a 9 yard TD. until the corrected the scoring, I had actually won by half a point. them's the breaks

and count me on the side of negative pts for incompletions being LOL

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:43 AM. Reason : .]

9/6/2012 12:39:16 AM

whats so weird about it? If QB accuracy can be measured why not use it?


I mean, if you just have been in leagues that have happened to not have it so you just arent used to it thats one thing, but to think its weird or odd is strange.

9/6/2012 12:43:05 AM

i'm laughing more at .5 per carry

9/6/2012 12:43:56 AM

Jaybee's league isn't actually negative points for incompletions

its 0.5 points per completion, and -0.25 for pass attempts

maybe he's being so defensive since he doesn't understand his own league's scoring system

^its also .2 per carry in his infallible league

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:45 AM. Reason : .]

9/6/2012 12:44:54 AM

to me, it would only make sense if you also give WR's negative points for drops or defenses positive points for pass breakups.

i don't like the PPC/PPR scoring, but it is what it is. it comes up for debate every year and survives every year. when everyone gets it, you just get used to it.

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:46 AM. Reason : .]

9/6/2012 12:45:34 AM

^^^ he said 1 point per carry in his post, which is crazy, I think we used to do .5 but figured out it was too high and took it down to .2 after fucking around with .25 for a bit

^^ which if you can do simple math is -.25 for incompletions and +.25 for completions.

^ I've seen IDP with passes deflected/defended stat categories, and drops could be one but I havent seen any system that lets you do it.



[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:48 AM. Reason : d]

9/6/2012 12:45:47 AM

^^exactly...no reason to penalize Sheli for Cruz or Nicks dropping passes that hit them in the hands

its not the QBs fault if he throws a great pass and gets penalized because the WR fucks up...which is why 99% of leagues dont do it that way

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:48 AM. Reason : .]

9/6/2012 12:46:39 AM

i get that you score it that way, but dinging JUST the QB for incompletions makes no sense. it puts undue burden on him when there are a multitude of reasons for an incompletion.

for crying out loud, you're punishing him for running a 2 minute drill if he spikes the ball to stop the clock. that's just absurd

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:48 AM. Reason : .]

9/6/2012 12:48:17 AM

I can understand PPR, but not really points per carry. But I everybody is used to do things a certain way, I guess.

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:51 AM. Reason : ^ agreed. Also punishes the qb for throwing it away to avoid a sack...which is a smart play.]

9/6/2012 12:49:55 AM

over the course of the year shit like that will even out, and there arent that many drops, I would say at least 80% of the incompletions are the QBs fault. Is it perfect? no, but to me its better and more accurate representation of performance than just totally ignoring QB accuracy.

just looked it up - last year Arrelious Benn had the highest drop % at 21.05, the top 20 WR averaged about 4%

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:52 AM. Reason : g]

9/6/2012 12:50:30 AM

god the last page of this thread was one of the most painful ive ever read.

"Standard" for fantasy football for QB's is:

1 point for 25 yards passing
4 points for TD pass
-2 points for INT

I agree sacks should be -1 or -0.5 since most sacks in the NFL are the QB's fault, but it's certainly not a standard rule. INT's should probably negate an entire TD since they are arguably worse than a TD is "good". But that's not standard either.

Completions and incompletions just make things messy. Yards per attempt is a much more accurate way to measure a QB's performance. Some QB's complete a lot of check downs which aren't valuable (think McNabb) and some guys go for first downs which is valuable (think Rivers).



Anyway, we can all agree on one thing. If you are allowed to pick up a free agent WHILE THE GAMES ARE GOING ON your league has horrible rules. Waivers should never clear prior to Wednesday. You guys must play in free leagues. I don't know anyone willing to put up money for a stupid league that rewards people who live with their parents and can just sit online midgame and pick up free agents.

In my league we have a budget ($100 last year, $50 this year) where you bid on free agents in a silent auction. On Wednesday at noon whoever bid the most gets the guy and he owes whatever the winning bid was.

Not only is it cool, a year later we are still laughing at the guy who threw $20 on Nate Washington. Similarly, I'm still kicking myself for only bidding $10 on Tim Tebow because another $2 would have possibly won me the league and over $1,000 for the title.

Sometimes I just can't get over how dumb some people's league rules are. It's like playing with retards who give points for kickoff return yards so everyone starts the Detroit Lions Kick returner while Dwayne Bowe is on waivers.

From now on, don't ask a question about "who should i play" unless you explain how your scoring system differs from "standard" fantasy football rules.

And if it differs a ton then just figure it out yourself. "Who should i draft #7?" isn't a valid question if your league still gives 6 points for a TD pass and doesn't have PPR or fractional points for rushing yards. No one knows your crazy scoring system, so your instincts should be more correct than our guess.

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:54 AM. Reason : a]

9/6/2012 12:52:20 AM

i'll take a per carry scoring system over the league that I played in one year (as an emergency filler) that just used aggregate schoring over the course of a year. no head-to-head matchups. which of course blew because one bad draft pick or untimely injury, and your season was toast

thankfully i didn't have to pay to play

9/6/2012 12:52:47 AM

^^^you sound like face with his "you can see everything you need to see by just looking at the box score"

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:53 AM. Reason : speak of the devil]

Quote :

"most sacks in the NFL are the QB's fault"

haha

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:53 AM. Reason : .]

9/6/2012 12:53:02 AM

^^^ difference between a player on waivers and a free agent. For free agents why not award people on top of their shit? I hate leagues where you have to wait until a couple of days after that week is done. It awards lazy people.

Quote :

" Quote : "most sacks in the NFL are the QB's fault" haha"

yeah, Peyton has always used that blinding speed to get away from defenders, not his ability to recognize blitzes, audible to a new play, hot routes, etc.

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 12:57 AM. Reason : d]

9/6/2012 12:54:37 AM

maybe i'm not on top of my shit cause i'm at the panthers game watching it and not worried about picking up a backup RB for the Lions? face is right in that respect

9/6/2012 12:56:10 AM

QB sacks are proven to "follow" QB's from team to team. The guys who are statues and make slow reads always take a lot of sacks.

Do you really think Peyton Manning played behind the best oline in the league for 14 years and then it just suddenly went to shit the one season he didn't play?

Ben Roethlisberger could play for any team in the league and he'd still take sacks.

Sacks on average are determined by how long you hold onto the ball. Some QB's make great reads. Some do not.

9/6/2012 12:56:57 AM

^ exactly

^^ before everyone had a smartphone, maybe, but now, everyone is constantly checking their shit all the time

9/6/2012 12:58:20 AM

Most people have enough self respect for themselves not to be a total slave to fantasy teams.

There is nothing gayer than being at a bar getting hammered on a Sunday and having to go stand outside because no one gets cell service at Tobacco Road so you can submit a waiver claim for some retread who might start if the other running back's MRI comes back with a fracture.

The waiver system rewards strategy while the free agent system rewards losers.

I'd rather play in the strategy league.

9/6/2012 1:00:00 AM

^ but if you are only in your "cool" leagues, then wouldnt everyone be out with no reception so therefore that wouldnt be a problem?

I just dont like babying people... if someone finds out about something before everyone else and wants to act before EVERYONE sees it on Sportscenter three days later then they should be able to...



[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 1:02 AM. Reason : d]

9/6/2012 1:01:05 AM

Peyton Manning could play behind the worst offensive line in the NFL...he's genius enough to make the right audibles to significantly minimize his sacks...shitty example

Most QBs aren't Peyton Manning, and are actually somewhat at the will of their offensive line, or their receiving corps...give Peyton Manning the Dolphins' wideouts who can't get separation and see how many times he has to either throw it away or take a sack

Quote :

"everyone is constantly checking their shit all the time"

i'm drinking beer and going hoarse from screaming on defense...checking your phone constantly during the attendance of a football game is the epitome of whats wrong with fantasy football

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 1:04 AM. Reason : .]

9/6/2012 1:03:05 AM

while I agree he is the greatest of all time, there are plenty of other QBs that are really good... AND therefore their ability to do what we are talking about goes into your rating of them. Its just another category to take into account, and I dont see how that is a bad thing.

and dont reply with some stupid shit like "well maybe you should count how many times he throws to a white guy whose name startes with a C"... completion percentage and sacks are MAJOR football stat categories

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 1:09 AM. Reason : d]

9/6/2012 1:05:19 AM

nobody is as good at reading defense as Peyton Manning...i didnt watch the NFL in the 70s or even mid 80s so i cant comment on QBs then let alone the 60s and before...but saying that Peyton Manning doesnt take sacks is indicative of any other QB in the league taking sacks (aside from maybe Brady and Rodgers, or Vick who can escape the pocket) is just blindly justifying a league's rules to make it seem right

guys like David Carr take sacks behind any offensive line...he's not the norm, neither is Peyton

9/6/2012 1:09:36 AM

thats my point, some QBs, such as Peyton, are better at that... so that factors into their worth as fantasy players. Peyton would be good behind any line because of HIM. Roethlisberger would take a lot of sacks behind any line because of HIM.

You are saying the exact thing I am arguing, that it comes down to the QB a lot, rather than the line.

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 1:11 AM. Reason : d]

9/6/2012 1:10:53 AM