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9/15/2016 11:08:34 PM

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" If the NBA truly cared about freedoms and equal rights and whatnot, they wouldn't play games in China. "

Shouldn't American states be held to a higher standard than China?

9/16/2016 11:47:54 AM

Sure. But shouldn't the NBA theoretically be consistent in their policies when it comes to civil rights?

9/16/2016 1:59:19 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't all the NBA games played overseas been either pre-season or exhibition games?

The NBA will still allow pre-season games in NC, just not the all-star game which has never been played in China. So, technically, they are being consistent.

9/16/2016 2:08:03 PM

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"If the NBA truly cared about freedoms and equal rights and whatnot, they wouldn't play games in China."

People who say this shouldn't own smartphones.

9/16/2016 2:13:36 PM

The NBA will take that stand on China whenever it becomes good for their bottom line. Right now shitting on NC is good business. And that's the NC GOP's fault.

[Edited on September 16, 2016 at 2:28 PM. Reason : And McCrory, since it's his thread]

9/16/2016 2:28:08 PM

^^Or anything manufactured in China, amirite??

^^^Didn't Texas recently oppose some anti-discrimination bill? Wonder if the NCAA will mess with Texas.


[Edited on September 16, 2016 at 2:29 PM. Reason : .]

9/16/2016 2:28:50 PM

Probably not since the NCAA is the most corrupt organization of all time

9/16/2016 2:30:41 PM

FIFA and the IOC would like to have a word

[Edited on September 16, 2016 at 2:47 PM. Reason : they aren't even close to being the most corrupt ]

9/16/2016 2:46:58 PM

So would the Nazis. It's hyperbole.

9/16/2016 2:51:27 PM

It's virtue signaling. If the leftist lynch mob says _____ is bigotry now, better release an official statement as lipservice showing how much you "value diversity"

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"calculated business decisions disguised as moral outrage."

9/17/2016 5:25:40 PM

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"Probably not since the NCAA is the most corrupt [sports] organization of all time"

you've never heard FIFA?

[Edited on September 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM. Reason : oops i'm late to the party, but yeah IOC is definitely in the convo too]

9/17/2016 7:09:10 PM

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" leftist lynch mob"

can you do a venn diagram of this and "SJW?" and what traits cause the overlap?

9/17/2016 11:36:04 PM

More of the leftist lynch mob from a liberal rag:

http://www.indyweek.com/news/archives/2016/09/19/the-morning-roundup-pat-mccrory-has-no-shame

[Edited on September 19, 2016 at 9:48 AM. Reason : ]

9/19/2016 9:47:56 AM

So Bullet are you a McCrory fan? Even me, resident right-wing hack, find myself in awe of some of the things he's pulled. Mostly surrounding environmental issues.

9/19/2016 10:16:24 AM

and not the thing that's turned our state into a national embarrassment and lost us hundreds of millions of dollars?

9/19/2016 10:38:01 AM

Nope - I place that particular blame on the idiots in Charlotte. They knew what they were doing, they knew the opposition they would get in the state government, and they knew it would cause a shit storm. And they are reveling in it.

But I'm still not a fan of McCrory.

9/19/2016 10:44:47 AM

So the people in Charlotte who believe in equality shouldn't have passed a law promoting said equality because they knew backwards, wrong side of history thinking state level politicians wouldn't like it?

9/19/2016 10:49:13 AM

jesus

his hatred of transpeople is still so strong that he's blaming the people who want to protect the LGBTQ community instead of the ones who called a special session and then signed the bill

[Edited on September 19, 2016 at 10:51 AM. Reason : kind of insane ]

9/19/2016 10:49:18 AM

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"So Bullet are you a McCrory fan?"

LOL, no way. I try not to despise politicians, as they're all slimy and it's the nature of the job, but I'm finding it hard not to despise McCrory.

9/19/2016 10:54:11 AM

Look I've said it before - and my words here have proven it. I'm pretty moderate on most things - even so much so that I'm probably going to vote for Clinton because it looks like Johnson isn't going to work out.

Except for the trans/cis/gender issue. All of this mess - thousands of jobs, millions of dollars, so 7 people can be less confused about what bathroom they should use.


Hate? WTF I don't hate them. I just dislike the knights in shining armor out there who thikn they are helping these folks.

[Edited on September 19, 2016 at 10:57 AM. Reason : asdas]

9/19/2016 10:54:24 AM

they've always gone to the bathroom of the gender they identify with.

you're blaming the people in which the ordinance protected.

HB2 effects way more people than just the trans community.

9/19/2016 11:03:09 AM

^That's part of my point. Trans folks are doing what they've always done. The ordinance in Charlotte, by them calling it out, caused all of this mess.

Should have left well enough alone.

9/19/2016 11:09:55 AM

so they should just accept it when they are discriminated against because, hey... don't want to rock the boat

9/19/2016 11:17:39 AM

They aren't discriminated against. Everyone has the right to use the bathroom matching their junk. If they are actually suffering from the trans mental disorder they can have their birth certificate changed, or if they actually pass then nobody will notice. All of this bullshit just so the Feds can get power over the state and so SJWs can play pretend "activist" for an invented "victim class" making up a whopping 0.01% of the population. I'm sure next year there will be 5 more letters added onto LGBTPBBQ and they can make up new required accommodations for mental disorders. #progress #virtuesignal #tellbusinesseswhattodo

9/19/2016 3:22:36 PM

Who's telling businesses what to do?

9/19/2016 3:40:34 PM

IT certificate

9/19/2016 3:45:24 PM

I see rjrumfel is continuing his long and storied tradition of saying "I don't like [Republican politician], but [insert said Politician's talking point]."

9/19/2016 4:04:47 PM

It's fascinating to watch how quickly conservatives dropped the "this is for the safety of women and children" arguments. Seemingly right after It was announced we were losing basketball games lol. PRIORITIES!!

9/19/2016 4:15:18 PM

I don't like McCrory. Just because we may agree on one issue doesn't mean we go out for drinks every Thursday evening. His track record on just about everything is pretty bad. I mean he's not even trying to hide the fact that he's governing for Duke Energy Progress.

9/19/2016 4:40:45 PM

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"I see rjrumfel is continuing his long and storied tradition of saying "I don't like [Republican politician], but [insert said Politician's talking point].""

Wouldn't disagreeing with anything a politician says because of your general feelings towards them or the R/D beside their name fit your definition of a "hack"?

9/19/2016 4:46:10 PM

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"Just because we may agree on one issue doesn't mean we go out for drinks every Thursday evening"

that just happens to be the absolute worst issue to agree with him on

and the same issue that only the truly ignorant could still agree with him on

9/19/2016 5:03:16 PM

What critics?

9/21/2016 12:48:53 AM

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"Who's telling businesses what to do? "

Not to mention there was never a problem before until the gov tried to force people to start policing the bathrooms.

9/21/2016 1:10:47 AM

To be fair, as others have noted, transgendered people really weren't being harassed before Charlotte stupidly passed their ordinance. Could they have been arrested: probably. Were they being arrested: no. It certainly wasn't an ideal situation, but at least for the most part they could pee in peace.

The NCGA acted stupidly and overreacted, you'll get no argument from me on that. But you have to also admit that Charlotte picked a fight that they didn't need to pick. Had they left out the bathroom portion of the ordinance (which, by the way, most certainly was "telling businesses what to do,"), we wouldn't be talking about it today, and transgendered people would still be peeing wherever the hell they wanted to. Charlotte made it worse by holding a sham "community forum" where people who opposed the measure were effectively not allowed to speak, which sealed the deal as far as goading the NCGA into acting.

A discussion needed to be had about the issues involved, it didn't happen, Charlotte challenged the NCGA to a penis-measuring contest, and the NCGA obliged. That's what happened. And now the entire state is getting shit on because of it. Basically, everyone involved in this mess is a fucking idiot. Meanwhile, LGBTQ people are worse off because of Charlotte's inane actions for the time being. Thanks, Jennifer Roberts!

9/21/2016 1:39:30 AM

Charlotte affirmed that transgendered could pee "wherever the hell they wanted to" without fear of arrest or harassment. I'm not sure how you can call Charlotte stupid while describing the fact they previously could have been arrested as not "an ideal situation". According to your description, Charlotte is at worst guilty of codifying de facto bathroom usage.

9/21/2016 7:36:17 AM

^^This is exactly what I was trying to say.

Could we find some examples where people have been arrested for peeing in the wrong bathroom?

9/21/2016 8:21:20 AM

Charlotte identified at least 150 incidents when the bill was debated, there may be more but they do not track complaints because before the ordinance there wasn't anything the city could do

9/21/2016 8:55:48 AM

Complaints? Or straight up arrests? Because I would suspect people would still lodge complaints event after passing of the ordinance. I guess the difference is the ordinance would get rid of any official avenue for someone to issue a complaint.

9/21/2016 8:59:42 AM

people complaining of discrimination, during the debate in the city council they identified about 150 instances and said they all they could do was turn people away because they had no legal recourse. by passing the ordinance, the city was able to respond to complaints of discrimination.



[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 9:10 AM. Reason : .]

9/21/2016 9:10:05 AM

Ok see well right there you can tell how my brain works when this issue comes up. I read where you said "complaints" and I totally took that as complaints by people offended by trans using the wrong bathroom. But you meant complaints of discrimination by the trans community.

This is the one issue where I'm retardedly right. I've changed my views a lot over the years, but this one is tuff for me.

9/21/2016 9:20:48 AM

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"But you have to also admit that Charlotte picked a fight that they didn't need to pick."

We don't have to admit that. At all.

Everyone taking the "could have left well enough alone" road does have to admit that the NCGA is way more guilty of needlessly rocking the boat. Charlotte passed their law. 99% of us never would have heard of it had McCrory and his legislative masters not railroaded HB2 through in a special session, thereby turning it into a national thing.

You say this wasn't an issue before Charlotte. I disagree, because it was needlessly menacing a portion of our society, but fine, for the sake of argument, it wasn't an issue before Charlotte. It wasn't an issue after Charlotte, either. Pat McCrory and the state legislature made it an issue. This is 100% their fault. Blaming Charlotte or trans people isn't just disgusting, it's obviously, self-evidently inaccurate.

9/21/2016 9:26:54 AM

big week for the "they started it" defense

9/21/2016 12:55:12 PM

Monday they will start the "i'm not touching you, i'm not touching you, i'm not touching you" arguments

9/21/2016 1:15:31 PM

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"This is the one issue where I'm retardedly right. I've changed my views a lot over the years, but this one is tuff for me."

Fair enough. But why do you have to make it tuff for everyone else?

9/21/2016 2:43:48 PM

Maybe it's Charlotte's fault for electing McCrory as mayor in the first place. That's about the extent of Charlotte's blame in all of this.

9/21/2016 4:17:34 PM

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"Charlotte affirmed that transgendered could pee "wherever the hell they wanted to" without fear of arrest or harassment. I'm not sure how you can call Charlotte stupid while describing the fact they previously could have been arrested as not "an ideal situation". According to your description, Charlotte is at worst guilty of codifying de facto bathroom usage."

I look at it like this...
I know people who drive ~3-4mph over the speed limit in most places. Could they be ticketed for speeding like that? Sure. Are they? Basically never. Do those people seriously live in fear over it? Not in the least.

Now, let's apply this to bathrooms. Could someone cause a ruckus over a transgendered person using the "wrong" bathroom? Sure. Were they causing a ruckus? Basically never. Someone else in this thread pointed out that there were ~150 total incidents of people complaining about being harassed over a multi-year time frame in a region with close to a million people peeing and pooping in public bathrooms every day. Voter fraud is comparatively more common than people being harassed over their choice of bathroom. There's no "menacing a portion of our society" in this. They were peeing and pooping in peace. And then Charlotte passed their stupid law. And then the NCGA passed their stupid law.

9/21/2016 6:44:18 PM

what's stupid about an anti-discrimination law?

for the millionth time, the bill is about much more than bathrooms

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 6:57 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2016 6:53:28 PM

freedom of association

9/21/2016 6:58:39 PM

^^ In the general case, nothing is stupid about it. But in this case, the status quo was that transgendered people were peeing and pooping in peace wherever the hell they wanted to, the people who might cause trouble over it didn't know about it or didn't care, and everyone was happy. We have a certifiably insane NCGA who promised to drop the fucking hammer on Charlotte if it passed an ordinance regarding the issue, and Charlotte goes out and passes the ordinance anyway, in the face of massive local opposition and without holding any serious public forums about it.

So what's wrong here? Charlotte passes an ordinance that it didn't need to pass, and in the process makes life HARDER on LGBTQ people across the whole damn state! AND, they passed this unnecessary it ordinance knowing that the NCGA was going to do something stupid in response! Transgendered people weren't being harassed at the bathrooms before Charlotte passed their ordinance. Now they are.

Charlotte didn't stand to gain a single fucking thing by passing the bathroom part of the ordinance, but it risked losing a hell of a lot in the inevitable overreaction by the NCGA. Why pick that a fight where winning gains you nothing and losing costs you and your allies all across the state a metric shit ton?

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 7:17 PM. Reason : ]

9/21/2016 7:01:24 PM