Well, since only like 2 random Eastern carolina randos think that ecu is a rival, I think we can close down this discussion now. Logic has once again prevailed. Maybe this debate will come back up again when we play ecu again in like 8 years.

Speaking of which, I mean seriously, how can something be a rivalry when you don't play on a consistent basis? Dumbest thing i've ever heard of.

Case closed, good night everybody.

9/14/2016 12:21:04 PM

I'm not gonna go so far as to call them rivals, but it is an important game. Just run down the NCSU roster and see how many dudes, many significant contributors, that are from Pirate country. For the upper echelon of recruits coming out of that area you better believe ECU competes with us for many of them (which is also kinda damning for our program if you think about it).

If we beat that ass on a regular basis, it's a no-brainer for recruits to consider NCSU first. But we suck, and have sucked for a while, and so we will continue to struggle against ECU both on the field and off.

9/14/2016 12:27:23 PM

nobody is arguing that a loss to ECU is as meaningful or impactful as an ACC loss. but that doesn't really mean they can't be a rival, right? it just seems like a very narrow definition is used. i think it's completely fair to call it a rivalry...because, at a minimum, it's a regional game where the fan bases do not like each other at all. we can all pretend that we get more excited to play BC than ECU because it's an ACC game, but even if that is true, it doesn't mean that the ECU game doesn't have a little added motivation given the regional nature of the game and the disdain between the fan bases. it's ok to have more than a couple rivals. it's ok to get excited about a chance to beat up on a local, generally inferior opponent that talks shit all the time. we can call that a rivalry and not tarnish the sanctity of the word.

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"unc - yes clemson - the textile bowl has tradition but its more friendly maryland - yeah, fuck maryland wake forest - sure south carolina - eh ecu - nah"

the clemson game isn't really a rivalry, but sure we can certainly call it that since there are obvious in-conference implications and there's a trophy that we only know about because of the NCAA Football video games. but i mean, there's not really much hate there. maryland is only considered a rival because their fans are annoying as shit and they beat us when we had Rivers. we don't even play them anymore. south carolina? has the potential to be a fun rival with recruiting implications and regional bragging rights on the line (and obvious some tradition/history from way back), but we have played them like 4 times in the last 25 years. it helps to actually play a team on a semi-regular basis to qualify as a rival. we do play them next year in Charlotte, that should be fun.

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"Maybe this debate will come back up again when we play ecu again in like 8 years. Speaking of which, I mean seriously, how can something be a rivalry when you don't play on a consistent basis? Dumbest thing i've ever heard of. "

we play 'em about every other year on average over the last ~20 years, man.

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM. Reason : f]

9/14/2016 12:28:38 PM

I'm sure victorious ECU fans are reading this thread with the same glee we read Inside Carolina with after a win.

9/14/2016 12:42:26 PM

NCSU - Maryland rivalry really got going in the 70s when DT and company kept their greatest basketball teams ever from winning championships.

Clemson is a rivalry because in the original ACC (pre-2004), they're the only other land-grant institution and the most similar school to NCSU.

The UNC rivalry goes all the way back to before State existed. UNC had received the land grant, but wasn't teaching agriculture and industrial arts the way they were required to. This directly led to NCSU existing. We've been in the same athletic conference for god knows how long. That's why we're rivals.

ECU is just a school in the same state. Other than their fans being dicks and tearing down our goalposts, there is nothing special about them that makes them more of a rival than any other in state nonconference school.

9/14/2016 12:57:58 PM

^you're right about MD/State in basketball...i was thinking more about football than basketball, but that is valid for sure. either way, we don't play them anymore so it's hard for that be considered a current rivalry. i'm totally cool with calling clemson a rival. but i was just pointing out that it's hardly a heated/hate-filled rivalry game. but i will say, if the main things making them a rival are their land-grant status and the fact that they are in the conference...then that's a pretty low bar for calling somebody a rival. an equally low bar can be applied to our relationship with ECU and one could come to the conclusion that these two programs can reasonably be considered rivals, imo. we don't have to say they're our #1 rival or whatever...but i think it's just incorrect to pretend that this game doesn't have more significance than plenty of other non-conference games. i've mentioned it before, but state-ecu games in raleigh are certainly more of a "rivalry" atmosphere than the Wake games, or BC games or something like that.

maybe i just have a different idea of what a "rival" is...but "in-state school with obnoxious fans that have a history of trashing our football stadium and a history of competitive games with us" kinda sounds like a rival to me.

but it's clear most here, including myself, aren't gonna change their minds about what to call this semi-regular football series. so whatever.

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 1:28 PM. Reason : v]

9/14/2016 1:24:17 PM

Does anyone know who in the General Assembly was pushing for the ECU vs State game? I'm gonna write my local congressman to make this UNCC game a reality but I want to include all the others that have similar ideals. I live near the Charlotte campus and if we can get a game there I wouldn't have to drive all the way to Greenville to watch us play.

9/14/2016 1:39:45 PM

Yes, playing ecu is more interesting than playing ODU, but it's less interesting than playing any acc opponent. Because those game mean sooooo much more.

9/14/2016 2:08:40 PM

^right...which is why i don't get why they can't be both 1) a rival (call 'em an OOC rival, local rival, whatever) and 2) less important/impactful than an ACC opponent. i'm not arguing that they are more important than ACC games. i just also believe that there is a rivalry aspect to it.

and again, i'd bring up the example of attending an NC State/ECU game in Raleigh vs attending an NC State/BC game in Raleigh. one is gonna have a much better atmosphere...and it's not the ACC game.


[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 2:27 PM. Reason : f]

9/14/2016 2:26:28 PM

rivalries usually involve tradition/history and each team giving a shit about the other, so ecu doesn't qualify for either of those things. that doesn't mean that they can't qualify those things and that ecu may be a rival in the future, but they just aren't right now.


i wish we scheduled duke instead of ecu

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 3:41 PM. Reason : we won't though, ecu can sell more tickets]

9/14/2016 3:39:54 PM

how does one schedule a conference opponent

9/14/2016 5:28:06 PM

You can schedule conference teams in your open spots like any other team

9/14/2016 5:48:40 PM

Going back to the idea that ecu may have wanted it more/players cared more than ours...


Cherry: It seemed like ECU wanted it more



http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/video/16004385/

Just sayin...

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 6:22 PM. Reason : Jj]

9/14/2016 6:20:17 PM

Treetwista agrees that ecu is not a rival, he's just butthurt about me making fun of charlotte in that one thread. We use to see eye to eye in every thread.

Come back to me my sweet sweet summer prince

9/14/2016 6:43:21 PM

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"rivalries usually involve tradition/history"

https://ncstate.rivals.com/news/the-history-behind-the-nc-state-east-carolina-rivalry

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"and each team giving a shit about the other"

ECU obviously gives a shit about us, and we must give a shit about them if we hand off this stupid thing after our games

9/14/2016 6:58:16 PM

we have history in the ecu rivalry going back from the hurricane goal posts game to rw coming on the scene and spoiling ecus bcs chances, upsetting chris johnson, ecu flushing chuck etc.

its as much of a rivalry as our basketball rivalry with unc (which they don't care about). There are often rivalries where only one side considers it a rivalry.

we think our basketball rivals are duke and unc. unc thinks their rivals are duke and kentucky. duke thinks their rivals are unc and (it used to be maryland). Florida state thinks they have a special rivalry with duke.

rivalries don't have to go back that long. the civil conflict has only been around for like 2 years.

9/14/2016 7:04:01 PM

^^Nobody but some dumb admin's know about that stupid... whatever that thing is. No actually fan has ever heard of that thing. I know more about the bell thingy that Duke and UNC pass around.

Did you know, that we and Clemson also pass around some stupid thing when we play? A lot of local schools do that. Doesn't mean we are rivals.

When it comes to fans, this rivalry is almost entirely one sided. Maybe for state people that grew up on the east coast its some bigger deal because they have some rednecky friends that went to ecu after highschool, but don't drag the rest of us into this dopey "rivalry" with a division ii school. Its embarrassing. Just keep it to yourselves.

9/14/2016 7:08:21 PM

you literally could switch the words and have exactly what unc fans say about our rivalry with them

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"When it comes to fans, this rivalry is almost entirely one sided. Maybe for unc people that grew up in the tirangle its some bigger deal because they have some rednecky friends that went to ncstate after highschool, but don't drag the rest of us into this dopey "rivalry" with a division ii school. Its embarrassing. Just keep it to yourselves."

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 7:12 PM. Reason : snobby]

9/14/2016 7:11:00 PM

HOOPS doesn't want just any team to enter the exclusivity that is being a rival of NC State. That's saved for teams like Maryland, who we don't even play anymore, and Boston College, because they apparently snuck in the ACC at some point.

9/14/2016 7:32:53 PM

^^ Um except, no. We are in the same conference as them, so whether we suck or not or are on their level, our game always matter because we are in the same conference as them, and we have huge tradition going back for decades. Its hilarious how people want to call us looking down on a mid major program the same as how unc tries to poke fun at us by saying we arent a rival.

Like somebody said earlier, its apples and oranges. only a few of you fools don't realize that.

ECU is a mid major. They aren't in our conference. They aren't a rival. Sorry. Get over it. If you want them to be a rival in your heart, then be my guest. The rest of us will go back to getting exciting about the games that are actually interesting.

9/14/2016 7:40:15 PM

I understand the idea of this being a 'rivalry' but how is it considered a rivalry if probably 50% of one team's fans wouldn't give a shit if we never played them again.

Comparing ECU/NCSU to UNC/NCSU in bball is silly. Even though we are not in UNC's circle of elite bball schools we have 100 years of history with them and NCSU bball is not NCSU football. We do have some historical significance in bball.


You know that feeling you get after we beat UNC in something? That doesn't exist after beating ECU. You can't really gloat about beating them, the only benefit is that you dont have to take any shit from ECU relatives/fans for awhile. Losing to ECU ~= losing to UNC, but beating them is not comparable at all.

yeah I sound like a sore loser with a superiority complex. Its not that I think NCSU football is on some pedestal high above lowly ECU.... its just that I don't give a shit about them, and it seems obvious to me that ECU cares about these matchups far more than we do.

9/14/2016 7:49:51 PM

If they joined the Big XII or some other P5, would some of you instantly change how you viewed the NCSU v ECU rivalry collegiate relationship? I guess some people are really, really serious when it comes to the definition of a rivalry. I mean why would USC consider Notre Dame a rival? They're not even in a conference!

9/14/2016 7:52:38 PM

Just got back from the game. We tried hard. Real hard.

9/14/2016 7:53:37 PM

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" We are in the same conference as them, so whether we suck or not or are on their level, our game always matter because we are in the same conference as them, and we have huge tradition going back for decades."

Just like Louisville right? Pitt? Syracuse? We have decades of experience with them, like we have decades of experience with ECU? https://ncstate.rivals.com/news/the-history-behind-the-nc-state-east-carolina-rivalry

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"Its hilarious how people want to call us looking down on a mid major program"

Kinda hard to "look down" on a program that keeps beating us.

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"how is it considered a rivalry if probably 50% of one team's fans wouldn't give a shit if we never played them again."

Not only passively not giving a shit, but actively wishing we didn't play them, because they keep beating us and there's not much upside if we can manage to beat them.

9/14/2016 8:00:02 PM

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"but don't drag the rest of us into this dopey "rivalry" with a division ii school. Its embarrassing."

what's embarrassing is that we keep losing to them.

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"The rest of us will go back to getting exciting about the games that are actually interesting."

that's the problem though...nobody gets excited about BC or Cuse or even fucking Wake coming to town regardless of those games being more meaningful. so why not simply acknowledge that the fans do get much more excited for a home game vs ECU than vs BC?

how dare somebody sully the great nc state rivalry tradition by suggesting a local school with a history of competitive games be considered a rival!!

9/14/2016 8:10:04 PM

Man, I will be so fucking excited to see the 3-4 (1-3) Pack take on the 4-3 (1-3) Eagles of BC on October 29th. I literally cannot wait for that matchup, because one of those shit teams will drop to a 1-4 conference record! Holy fuck, I'm gonna start tailgating NOW.

9/14/2016 8:15:07 PM

a lotta fans sure do turn out to see state play ecu in raleigh for such a shitty OOC opponent that we don't care about.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ncst/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/ThisIsNCState.pdf

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"Top carter-Finley Stadium Crowds Att. Opponent Date Result Score 1. 58,650 .......East Carolina ........... Sept. 6, 1986 ........... W.......38-10 2. 58,300 .......East Carolina............ Sept. 7, 1985 .............L.......14-33 3. 58,083 .......Virginia Tech........... Sept. 16, 2010 .............L.......30-41 4. 57,800 .......North Carolina..........Oct. 15, 1983 .............L.......14-42 5. 57,700 .......East Carolina ......... Sept. 11, 1983 .............L.......16-22"

9/14/2016 8:25:36 PM

I was going to make this long reply about how I would rather have like 60 other teams scheduled ahead of ECU and they probably have UNC and NCSU in their top 10 schedule wishlist...

but I dont care anymore

passionate rivalry and hatred ITT

9/14/2016 9:11:31 PM

UNC fans:

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"You know that feeling you get after we beat Duke in something? That doesn't exist after beating NC State. You can't really gloat about beating them, the only benefit is that you dont have to take any shit from NC State relatives/fans for awhile. Losing to NC State ~= losing to Duke, but beating them is not comparable at all."

9/14/2016 9:39:29 PM

More like theory of RIVALtivity amirite

9/14/2016 9:46:08 PM

Look it's a free country guys. If you want to get all crazy for for mid major like ECU as a "rivalry game", go for it!
Just don't expect the rest of us too.

Now enough of this nonsense, we have another division ii football team to talk about that we are playing this Saturday!

Go Pack!

9/14/2016 10:36:06 PM

We play unc rivalry weekend in football and are one of their basketball partners, so that ACC and UNCs admin certainly consider us rivals. Are unc fans asking to remove that relationship like state fans ask to never play ecu again? If not then FOH with that dumb ass argument.

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 10:50 PM. Reason : Ball]

9/14/2016 10:49:30 PM

We should start The Carolina Confernce so we can win it every year and make the ECU rivalry official. We wouldn't even have to change the court we could just take out the A.

Western Style Division
Appalachian State University
Davidson College
University of North Carolina - Asheville
Winthrop University
University of North Carolina - Charlotte
Western Carolina University

Eastern Style Division
University of North Carolina - Wilmington
North Carolina State University
East Carolina University
Coastal Carolina University
College of Charleston
University of North Carolina - Greensboro


[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 10:52 PM. Reason : [Edited on September 14, 2016 at 10:50 PM. Reason : we play independent in football though]]

9/14/2016 10:49:53 PM

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"Look it's a free country guys. If you want to get all crazy for for mid major like ECU as a "rivalry game", go for it! Just don't expect the rest of us too."

Dude, you act as if you're in the 95% majority here. The disparity is clearly not that great. We'll all agree to disagree and go through the same argument the next time we face them.

9/14/2016 11:05:59 PM

Except most of the people are trolling, for example synapse doesn't actually think the ecu non-rivalry has history and tradition

The UNC response is fine, but when UNC loses to us thru care, the response is more valid for basketball. When we lose to ECU it's just another loss. And posting attendance? Hey guy, ECU fans are counted in that number, they are a large school close by so of course attendance is high. Duh

9/15/2016 6:39:35 AM

These NC State/ECU threads are always long as hell. Because we don't care about ECU



ECU is wondering why the hell they play state every other year? It's hurting their program's stance in the long run for playing such a mediocre program. They rather play South Carolina and Florida

9/15/2016 7:55:21 AM

Ok, so you agree its not a rivalry, even to the point where ECU doesn't want to play us!

Welcome to the "Its not a rivalry team" nOOb!

9/15/2016 9:54:25 AM

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"I understand the idea of this being a 'rivalry' but how is it considered a rivalry if probably 50% of one team's fans wouldn't give a shit if we never played them again."

This is the most value-add comment to this discussion I have seen, and it makes a lot of sense. Not one fan would care if we never played them again. I think that is a great point to discuss when considering "rivalries."

9/15/2016 10:00:22 AM

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"ECU is wondering why the hell they play state every other year? "

Perfect! Then we can stop playing them and their state reps can stop threatening our funding to blackmail us into playing them! Solved!

9/15/2016 10:10:20 AM

CAN THE MODS JUST LOCK THIS THREAD NOW????????????????????????????????????????????

9/15/2016 10:14:29 AM

^^ who is making that threat today? we can just stop scheduling them. but we won't though, ECU is always going to be good ticket sales

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 10:28 AM. Reason : dolla dolla bills ]

9/15/2016 10:28:12 AM

YOUR MODS AREN'T HERE TODAY GINGANINJA



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9/15/2016 11:56:26 AM

I think some of you underestimate how much UNC fans wouldn't care if they never had to play us again. When you're in the position of being the higher and mightier school, you'll be dismissive of those that you think are under you.

Fans look forward to the game because you can't get around it. It's there every year. Do you really think Carolina would care to play us every year if we were part of the SEC?

9/15/2016 12:18:43 PM

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"Do you really think Carolina would care to play us every year if we were part of the SEC?"

Yes.

Even if they tried to get out of it the legislature would force it like they do with ECU now.

9/15/2016 12:26:34 PM

That's a ridiculous false scenario. They could very easily play us less often right now by removing out basketball and football rivalry relationships.

9/15/2016 12:28:31 PM

You know what, DMpacker is right. Wrastlin fans are ppl too. my Apologies.

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 1:14 PM. Reason : Sources]

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9/15/2016 1:07:03 PM

i too like to think that the forms of entertainment i enjoy are far superior to things other people enjoy.

9/15/2016 1:27:07 PM

Still talking about the game, 1 week later...sounds like you might just care a wee bit.

9/16/2016 3:44:26 PM

Except almost none of the posts are about the game. And of course we're mad about losing to an aac team with a first year coach.

9/16/2016 5:09:27 PM

Yeaa, the majority of this thread is people just straight trollin... like 10% of it is about the game haha

9/16/2016 6:18:23 PM