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"the experience excuse is such bullshit. we underachieved like hell last year with as experienced a team as youre going to get because he sucks at coaching defense"

we lost 4 games by a total of 7 points last year during a stretch where lorenzo brown was injured, and cj leslie only showed up when he wanted to because he's a head case. you can't just coach that out of a kid like that. there's a reason coach K and roy williams didn't wanna mess with him. if a few calls would've gone our way, brown didn't get hurt, and leslie would've had his shit together, you wouldn't consider last season an underachievement

[Edited on January 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2014 2:23:23 PM

100 wins at NC State

1/4/2014 2:26:55 PM

our team was healthy when we lost to temple

not sure how losing to a 12 seed instead of a 9 wouldve made last year better

[Edited on January 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM. Reason : no guarantees we win any of those games with zo. probably get uva but the others? ]

1/4/2014 2:28:37 PM

there's no guarantee we'd lose to a 12 seed either. i'm not saying we would've won with zo, but there's no question that he would've given us better chances of winning games that we barely lost. the point i'm trying to make is that last year was such a fine line between being what we'd consider a highly successful season or the one that we had which you consider to be a huge underachievement, and there were other highly significant factors that influenced it that weren't things mark gottfried could control

we win those 4 games by a combined total of 7 points instead of losing them by a combined total of 7 points, and you're singing an entirely different tune even though each one of those outcomes is determined by an average of a single possession

[Edited on January 4, 2014 at 2:53 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2014 2:47:19 PM

i mean, shit happens

notre dame just lost their best player for the rest of the season. unc's cheating lost their best player this season. duke lost a #1 pick for 90% of a season. miami won the acc last year with reggie johnson's fatass barely playing

if you cant deal with that stuff happening you werent going anywhere to begin with

1/4/2014 2:55:20 PM

1/4/2014 2:55:50 PM

inexperience is a legit excuse. thats why i give gott such a hard time for letting every player that is good leave early.

1/4/2014 3:00:49 PM

^

1/4/2014 3:01:49 PM

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"if you cant deal with that stuff happening you werent going anywhere to begin with"

ok, so he dealt with it and we still just about won a few games that we just barely lost. we can talk about how cj leslie could've performed more in line with his averages or at least scored an extra bucket or two because that's what the games came down to, and all of a sudden you're not saying gottfried underachieved.

1/4/2014 3:02:52 PM

inexperience is an excuse to lose a couple games every now and then.

it's not an excuse to consistently collapse and play like shit for long stretches. that's systemic. ralston turner is in his 4th year of college and still plays like a dumbass

1/4/2014 3:06:51 PM

Pitt systemically played like shit for a long stretch in the first half. Fire Dixon.

1/4/2014 3:09:49 PM

^^a few battles here and there and the south wins the civil war.

1/4/2014 3:10:10 PM

We still miss CJ Williams

1/4/2014 3:12:10 PM

We never quite recovered from the loss of Engin Atsur

1/4/2014 3:17:32 PM

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"Pitt systemically played like shit for a long stretch in the first half. Fire Dixon."

and his team didnt give up and almost immediately went on a run to come back. then they made adjustments at halftime and thoroughly outplayed us

when is the last time mark gottfried won a game that he was down 17-2 in? the only game I can think of that we've even come back from a margin that large was when an equally clownshoes coach rick barnes had his best player foul out on a double foul/technical with 10 minutes left in the game

1/4/2014 3:18:54 PM

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"inexperience is a legit excuse. thats why i give gott such a hard time for letting every player that is good leave early."

I know right? It's not like it's ultimately the player's choice or anything

1/4/2014 3:19:51 PM

Hate to say it, but I really think Purvis would have meant a lot to this team. He definitely had his shortcomings, but he's a natural leader on the court. We could desperately use some of that right now.

1/4/2014 3:27:32 PM

Purvis would be a better option than Turner

1/4/2014 3:29:19 PM

Everyone is rightfully talking about the defense, but in the 2nd half our offense become Warren or Barber driving and throwing up a terrible shot hoping to draw a foul.

I mean Gott teams basically have to outscore the opponent ALA Roy. We knew this when we got him.

1/4/2014 5:34:44 PM

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"Hate to say it, but I really think Purvis would have meant a lot to this team. He definitely had his shortcomings, but he's a natural leader on the court. We could desperately use some of that right now."

Its funny people only say this when we lose. Purvis was a ball hog with a terrible free throw shooing percentage. I honestly don't see much difference between him and Lee over than Purvis had more flashy dunks, but sadly basketball is not won on style points.

1/4/2014 5:38:05 PM

Lee's got the JuCo toughness though..

1/4/2014 6:37:43 PM

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" 2nd half our offense become Warren or Barber driving and throwing up a terrible shot hoping to draw a foul. "

Traveling so I didn't watch today's game but this doesn't surprise me as it is exactly what caused the loss to Mizzou and the almost loss to UNCG. Our offense just flat breaks down and we either start taking terrible jumpers or drive recklessly into 3 guys.

1/4/2014 10:30:24 PM

No its nothing like roy. Roy plays aggressive d to get the game going faster. It's risky and gives up a lot at times but also leads to blowouts. Un typically allows more points because of high possessions. Gott teams just don't play d at all. Terrible comparison

1/5/2014 12:22:17 AM

That's actual pretty accurate. Roy's UNC teams actually generally have really good defensive efficiency most years... Just a really high tempo.

Gotts defense is generally near the bottom of all power conference teams year after year. But they gotta guard us too, so fuck it.

1/5/2014 6:48:19 AM

Laid all of this out for you on 11/21. You guys just insist on playing dumb until the results smack you in the face.

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" We're probably not going to get much better this year. You guys used the same tired arguments last year and we got significantly worse as the season wore on. Yes, we're young so I agree we will get better. But I don't think it will be that significant of an improvement. We're a borderline top 100 team this year for sure. 15-16 type overall record with 6-12 in the ACC sounds about right. Let's just hope we don't collapse and go like 3-15. We can't really use the youth argument anyway. Both Lewis and Warren got enough burn last year. Lee and Turner are transfers so they have plenty of game experience. Cat is playing really well so who cares if he's young? Our bigs are pretty fucking awful, but so are most teams. Plain and simple we just don't play any defense. And if you don't play any defense you'll never be good without ELITE offensive players. And even then you can only be like what we were last year. Marginal. The fact Gottfried started Washington at the beginning of the year just shows he's in over his head. The guy looks like he'll struggle to ever even be a fringe ACC rotation player. He's very likely to need to transfer to a lesser conference after the season. I know you guys are all looking to use Vandenberg as an excuse for the reason we're not firing on all cylinders but I just don't think we can rely on him to salvage our season. We're in over our heads here."

I don't know what Jevoni did to piss Gott off but if my career were on the line I'd put him in the game and let bygones be bygones.

Jevoni/Anya frontcourt would be devastating defensively.

[Edited on January 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM. Reason : a]

1/5/2014 1:44:55 PM

Spot on except the part about Washington. He's legit ACC calibre

1/5/2014 1:48:32 PM

The team played really good defense for most of the first half but just kind of stopped in the second half.

1/5/2014 2:10:40 PM

No, Pitt played bad on offense, made adjustments to push the ball more, and they won. Our defense didn't change. It just got tested more and broke.


Gottfried and his staff have no idea what good defense looks like and how to coach it

1/5/2014 2:46:44 PM

+21 for another ACC road win. The 3/4 court trap was great coaching.

1/7/2014 11:40:01 PM

Yeah, the press was a nice wrinkle. It slowed their break and kept our guys active. Definitely +1

I'd give Gott props for playing Lewis more this game, but he probably should have been playing more all season.

1/8/2014 12:05:01 AM

Lewis and Barber need to be on the floor together every so often. Lewis played great for the most part and Cat came in and closed them out down the stretch with great speed and FT shooting...

1/8/2014 8:03:55 AM

JEV

ONI

YOU AINT GOT NO ALIBI JEVONI YEAH YEAH JEVONI

1/8/2014 9:12:07 AM

i chuckled politely.

1/8/2014 3:59:03 PM

I think that, when Tyler finds his way out of this funk, we'll see more of him. He needs to start getting buckets when he shoots if he wants more playing time.

And I'm not talking about long threes ten seconds into the shot clock

1/8/2014 4:25:45 PM

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"Yeah, the press was a nice wrinkle. It slowed their break and kept our guys active. Definitely +1"

Absolutely. If your transition D sucks, don't let them get in transition. That was a great adjustment.

[Edited on January 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM. Reason : .]

1/8/2014 4:28:58 PM

Its not to help transition defense at all. We can't/don't run it unless we scored or there was a dead ball. Those arent transition defense situations. Its sole purpose is to disrupt the half court offensive flow.

1/8/2014 5:29:13 PM

4 points in 9 minutes, at home. That's the ticket!

1/11/2014 5:30:25 PM

Scoring 25 points against UVa for a half is understandable. Giving up 50 is not. Guy can't teach defense to save his life

[Edited on January 11, 2014 at 6:00 PM. Reason : ]

1/11/2014 6:00:42 PM

-48 credibility

1/11/2014 6:01:04 PM

half their points are off steals. that's not bad defense, that's sloppy offense.

1/11/2014 6:03:54 PM

Good coach who brought us back on the ACC map,but never won a championship

1/11/2014 6:04:27 PM

FIRE EVERY COACH THAT HASNT WON A CHAMPIONSHIP THEIR FIRST TWO YEARS!!!11

1/11/2014 6:21:13 PM

^
LOL, I meant he will never win a championship

1/11/2014 6:23:23 PM

+10 for asking the refs to call holding on Warren

1/11/2014 6:25:08 PM

-everything. guy can't cut it, and it's painfully obvious

1/11/2014 6:55:58 PM

Scott Drew level coaching

At least Drew was smart enough to give up trying to coach defense at some point and switched to zone

1/11/2014 6:57:23 PM

what a joke

1/11/2014 7:01:18 PM

Being down 25 at the half and losing the second half is a pretty damning indictment too

1/11/2014 7:10:17 PM

How many of you still think Gregg Marshall would have been a bad hire?

1/11/2014 7:55:38 PM

^
That goes in the Fowler or Yow credibility thread

1/11/2014 8:02:32 PM