101 pages of lololololololol

You do realize lowe did that last year and got us last in the conference

OUr best player was hickson, he played from day 1

some people didnt like that


Thankfully Ben didnt throw a hissy fit when smiff got inserted into the starting line up

and as you mentioned, Lowe is learning on the fly. Quite a daunting task


credible lowe is on 101



[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM. Reason : 101]

3/5/2009 7:47:11 PM

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"you know why we are better? b/c lowe finally decided it would be a good idea to put our 5 best players in the starting lineup"

when Coach K changed his lineup a week or two ago it was a "brilliant move" but with Lowe, its "about time!111"

omg coach k credibility watch, those 3 titles are nothing, you dont even know how to set a lineup! us fans are at practice everyday like you are! we know more than you coach lowe!11

3/5/2009 7:59:54 PM

^^you actually got me there b/c i was 100% against hickson starting from day 1 about it and ranted and raved about it

that said, i still hold the position that costner was our best player and mccauley could be better than hickson most times b/c hickson was a frosh who needed to learn and put on some weight and ws up and down all season. i def think hickson had peaks higher than any of our other players but both costner and mccauley had better 07 seasons than hicksons 08 season, as overall players, IMO.

[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 8:04 PM. Reason : a]

3/5/2009 8:03:01 PM

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"The rise is almost soley attributible to the development of the underclassmen, which is why any non-idiot can see that the performance now should be better than earlier in the year."

I hope so. It gives me hope for the future. Smith, Williams, and Gonzalez have made great efforts so far for us.

3/5/2009 8:04:21 PM

^^those 2 also played with a really good perimeter 1/2 guard in atsur in 07. I agree with the point though....although I think if Hickson showed that he was better than Ben in practice, I have no problem with him starting from day 1. He dropped like 33 in that game IIRC.


You run into a real problem in the long run if you play upper classmen over younger guys who are clearly better than them. Maybe not the first game of the season, but there are people here who thought JJ should have come off the bench all year which is absurd. We have no idea what was going on in practice. If McCauley just wasnt playing well, then that sends the wrong message to the team and to him. He really dealt with the situation poorly. I'm glad to see that he's recovered and matured from it which is what I think Lowe was talking about during his post-game last night.

I think as a whole, our seniors (including brandon) have been hurt by a lack of playmakers at the guard positions. They all seem like they never lived up to potential and thats the one constant from the last 3 seasons. I don't include coach Lowe in that because I think you saw flashes where Lowe has really been great for them, and in general, Lowe wins and everyone plays better when we get good (albeit inconsistent) guard play.

3/5/2009 8:14:16 PM

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"that said, i still hold the position that costner was our best player and mccauley could be better than hickson most times b/c hickson was a frosh who needed to learn and put on some weight and ws up and down all season"

in hindsight, last year i think this should have been our starting lineup

PG: Courtney Fells
SG: Gavin Grant
SF: Brandon Costner
PF: JJ Hickson
C: Ben McCauley

basically start three bigs like we do now...hickson would kind of start where tracy smith starts...feel free to interchange the 4 and 5, and sometimes the 1 and 2...that lineup couldve been ballin

in the long run though i think giving the young PGs some time has helped them develop this year...I thought last year Javi was terrible but this year, at least over the last month or so, he's been fairly solid

[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 8:42 PM. Reason : .]

3/5/2009 8:41:22 PM

You mean after the stellar play of Courtney Fells at the point that we saw in Year 1?

3/5/2009 8:42:46 PM

like i said, feel free to let GG bring it up court

both of them were still better options last year than any of our actual PGs

and even if you want to change up the guards, my rationale was that Grant and Fells should both be starters...even if you brought one off the bench, my main argument is find a way to start Ben, Brandon and JJ, similar to our lineup now with 3 bigs

i doubt there would have been as many issues with guys upset about lack of playing time, since all the bigs would have played more minutes

[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 8:44 PM. Reason : .]

3/5/2009 8:43:35 PM

think of the turnovers with that line-up just at the 1,2, and 3

3/5/2009 8:54:54 PM

grant had a ton of turnovers his senior year, but most of them were imo from lazy passes, which still hurts our team sometimes even now

but last year i had more confidence in gavin and courtney's ability to bring it up court than any of our PGs...luckily our PGs are playing better this year, especially in the 2nd half of the season

3/5/2009 8:58:56 PM

^^Because Javi and Degand didn't turn it over last year.

Javi at least has improved this year. Degand has gotten worse. And now Mays doesn't play at all for some reason.

3/5/2009 11:11:05 PM

With Herb it was; probably make the NCAA and not go far.

With Lowe its been; please make the NIT.

...just saying...careful what you wish for.

3/5/2009 11:14:10 PM

and another joke goes over packboozie's head

3/5/2009 11:14:37 PM

^^^It could be academic probation

I heard that's why fergie is riding pine week after week (besides not being that great)

3/5/2009 11:16:45 PM

if that lineup ^? had started we would have been the first team in history to have more turnovers than points in a game i'm sure...which year did we play the 'Holes and it was 41-13 at the half??

3/5/2009 11:18:20 PM

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"and another joke goes over packboozie's head"

Ummm what?

3/5/2009 11:21:30 PM

Sky::Blue
Gavin Grant::Turnover

3/5/2009 11:25:56 PM

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"With Herb it was; probably make the NCAA and not go far. With Lowe its been; please make the NIT. ...just saying...careful what you wish for."

yea... but until year 6 with herb, it was please make the NIT for him too, you cant forget that...

also, see the epic collapse ASU is having this year... should bring back some great memories

3/5/2009 11:27:01 PM

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"^^^It could be academic probation I heard that's why fergie is riding pine week after week (besides not being that great)"

I have heard that this is the reason Ferguson is on the bench as well.

3/5/2009 11:37:35 PM

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"Sky::Blue Gavin Grant::Turnover"

gavin grant is a turnover?

3/5/2009 11:38:58 PM

sky is a blue?

3/5/2009 11:59:13 PM

gavin grant is turnover?

3/6/2009 12:13:16 AM

and jamaican

3/6/2009 12:24:18 AM

he makes the X when he scores because of the X on the jamaican flag

for reference, in case you think im lying.



[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 12:42 AM. Reason : X, jamaica bitches]

3/6/2009 12:40:09 AM

everybody from the bronx must be jamaican too

3/6/2009 12:42:13 AM

^^I think that's the "I'm not black if that's what you are referring to" of sports talk

3/6/2009 1:01:19 AM

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"With Herb it was; probably make the NCAA and not go far. With Lowe its been; please make the NIT."

what's the difference?

3/6/2009 1:30:12 AM

Is that a serious question?

3/6/2009 2:26:43 AM

i've explained my stance before, but w/ sendek we didn't beat the teams we wanted to beat, didn't win the acc and didn't do anything of significance in the ncaa tournament.

right now we're not beating the teams we want to beat, we're not winning the acc and we're not playing in the ncaa tournament.

so aside from stats, what's the difference?

3/6/2009 2:40:58 AM

1) I don't know about you, but I want to win every game.
2) NCAA Tournament, obviously. Playing in the NCAA Tournament > Not playing in the NCAA tournament. NCAA Sweet 16 >>>>> NIT Quarterfinals.

3/6/2009 3:57:50 AM

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"in hindsight, last year i think this should have been our starting lineup PG: Courtney Fells SG: Gavin Grant SF: Brandon Costner PF: JJ Hickson C: Ben McCauley basically start three bigs like we do now...hickson would kind of start where tracy smith starts...feel free to interchange the 4 and 5, and sometimes the 1 and 2...that lineup couldve been ballin in the long run though i think giving the young PGs some time has helped them develop this year...I thought last year Javi was terrible but this year, at least over the last month or so, he's been fairly solid"

That very well could have gone down as the worst line-up in NCAA history. You need a solid ball handler on the court to be successful, and that line-up has somewhere around -3 solid ball handlers




BTW, I like how we usually beat the really crappy teams we play now. Lowe has lost to 2 maybe 3 crappy teams since he's taken over. You can argue Cinnci would be the 3rd, but that shit is on Gavin "The Human Turnover" Grant. ECU and NO were pretty fucking stupid, but this is a different Lowe, a different team, a different wolfpack than that shit we saw last year.

Sid Lowe is VERY fucking credible

3/6/2009 7:18:10 AM

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"2) NCAA Tournament, obviously. Playing in the NCAA Tournament > Not playing in the NCAA tournament. NCAA Sweet 16 >>>>> NIT Quarterfinals."

We went through this 101 pages ago and simonn completely disagrees with that statement

3/6/2009 7:22:30 AM

^I don't think he disagrees with the sweet 16 being better than nit, but losing to texas like we did in 06 and the end of that season was every bit as unsatisfying as the 9 game losing streak at the end of last season. at least lowe has a damn excuse (lack of talent at PG, inexperience, etc.)

shit even when we played Wisconsin and choked that shit away it was pretty bad

3/6/2009 7:25:33 AM

We got jobbed out of the Wisconson game. Thats one of a handful of games I actually remember years later that we got fucked out of. Not one call in particular, but the entire second half. Very similar to the VT game this year. We couldn't touch anyone without being called for a foul, and Wisconson could rape, stab, and massage our anuses without being called for a foul. We were rolling through the first 25 minutes of that game until the refs basically made it so we couldn't play defense...then all of a sudden wisconson starts hitting 3's. Coincidence? I think not.


Just for fun.....that list for me includes: Vandy in 04, Wisconsin in 05, GT in 07 after the UNC win, Duke in 08 at home, VT in 09, and one or 2 others I'm forgetting. I'm excluding a few games against UNC and duke because I guess thats to be expected against them. These are the games that the refs had an impact on the outcome either late in the game, or made it so that we couldn't play defense down the stretch and the other team could hack away. It happens all the time but the GT, Wisconson, and VT games I listed were the worst I've ever seen.


Oh yeah BC in 06 at home....the phantom out of bounds call on Tony Bethel, where his foot was over 2 feet inbounds, yet Ted Valentine called him out from THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COURT. I was sitting front row right where it happened. Amazing. BC hits a 3 on the inbounds to take a 1 or 2 point lead with about a minute to go and we don't look back.

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM. Reason : ]

3/6/2009 10:22:21 AM

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"^engin atsur was the top 3 scorers?"

Engin Atsur didn't leave after Herb's last year

Simmons, Brackman, and Evtimov did

3/6/2009 10:24:03 AM

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"one or 2 others I'm forgetting"

The number one on the list for me is that fucking bullshit technical against Maryland in the ACC tournament in 2004

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"The official explanation from the refereeing crew was "unauthorized personnel from the N.C. State bench coming onto the floor during a live-ball situation.""

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 10:28 AM. Reason : year and official statement]

3/6/2009 10:27:29 AM

ah yes....thats actually one of about 3 televised games that I have missed in the past 6 seasons. I was in the car driving back from daytona beach over spring break. Glad I missed it in hindsight.

3/6/2009 10:33:18 AM

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"The number one on the list for me is that fucking bullshit technical against Maryland in the ACC tournament in 2004"

that was horrible...we took an extra 2 seconds to get a chair off the court after a timeout, when iirc we were up about 15 points midway through the 2nd half...then gilchrist started going off and maryland ended up winning the acc tournament...what were we that year, the #2 or #3 seed?

3/6/2009 2:15:06 PM

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"Just for fun.....that list for me includes: Vandy in 04, Wisconsin in 05, GT in 07 after the UNC win, Duke in 08 at home, VT in 09, and one or 2 others I'm forgetting."

None of them were as bad as that Vandy game in my opinion, Wisconsin was winnable in spite of the shitty refs, but that was a choke job. I blame Horner for VT, even though the refs sucked ass. It's unfathomable that some of the shit that went down at Duke went down, but Vandy was on another level of terrible.

That Maryland game was more of an epic Sendek meltdown than anything I'd put on the refs.

3/6/2009 2:51:17 PM

^ was just gonna say, i was driving over the Canadian border listening to that Vandy game and i think that's probably when i totally lost any kind of hope in Sendek.

That one year, i think it was when we were "supposed" to be pretty good and UNX was rebuilding, i think that was '06 and we lost to them at home. Frasor tore our ass up that game. That was inexcuseable but more par for the course with Herb "the UNC game is like every other game" sendek

3/6/2009 3:14:23 PM

the second half of the 06 season was absolutely unbearable. the shit that happened because of sendek against unc in both games that year, while they had just lost their entire team to the NBA draft, was absolutely stupid. Wake Forest was arguably worse (both times), and what he did against Texas is some of the worst coaching I've EVER seen.

3/6/2009 4:12:17 PM

don't forget seton fucking hall at home.

jesus christ.

3/6/2009 4:19:09 PM

I recall a game against Iowa where we had like 18 first half points. Ugliest game I can ever remember

It was games like that that made me hate the princeton offense

3/6/2009 4:32:38 PM

The stats from that Iowa game are hilarious

http://kenpom.com/expsked.php?team=North%20Carolina%20St.&y=2006

I've never been so angry at a television set

--

Side note

Iowa is the second slowest team in the entire country this year, #343

Arizona St. is #331

We're #261, slowest in the ACC

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM. Reason : ]

3/6/2009 4:36:42 PM

the iowa game and the st. john's game were the reasons i had to put up new drywall

3/6/2009 4:38:56 PM

the iowa game was somewhat forgivable since they were pretty good, it was pretty close, and we started that season like 12-1

3/6/2009 4:45:08 PM

The loss itself might have been forgivable, but having to watch that game live on television was a punishment I would wish on no man.

3/6/2009 4:47:17 PM

I, too, couldn't bare to watch how terrible that game was. I had nightmares about it afterward it was so bad. Watching that game wasn't as bad as some of the other shit that happened that season though. I'd compare it to the Holocaust, but the holocaust might be more enjoyable that Herb's Death Camps.

3/6/2009 4:48:51 PM

^^ that's what i would say. jesus, it was bad.

3/6/2009 4:52:59 PM

Worst game ever was the St. Johns game in december of 04 I think. That shit was on like fox sports bumfuckegypt and I had it on digital cable so I got to watch. I got really excited that I'd get to see us play and I sat in the basement of my parents house with some friends and watched....


THAT was the worst game ever. Hodge may as well have not shown up. I think there were two inbounds plays that game that they threw off our backs and layed them in for a score. That play is something I don't miss. We basically got run by an bunch of And1 failures playing for a team who lost all their scholarship players from the year before.


The Iowa game was bad, but at least we were in the game, and against a good team who was ranked most of that year. Both teams played slow as fuck more than state just playing awful.

3/6/2009 5:57:42 PM