What do you guys think about the savage package scopes? I bought a savage gvxp. It's got a OD green synthetic stock, blued action, free floated, fluted barrel, and accutrigger.

It came with a 3-9x40mm that I believe may be originally manufactured by simmons. It seems okay, but it glares like a mother fucker, eye relief is really sensitive (are all optics this way or are some more forgiving in this department than others? I'm pretty new to optics.), and the glass lacks clarity under high power. Since I don't have a way to see what the scope costs independent of the rifle, I have a hard time judging its quality vs other stuff. Would it be worthwhile to upgrade if I want to cap my budget at $50-75? I know there is infinitely better glass out there, but I only want to bother if I'll get a lot of bang for my buck doing so.

[Edited on March 4, 2011 at 6:33 PM. Reason : .]

3/4/2011 6:31:03 PM

Bigstallion, shit happens with all makes and models. You can't say a product is inferior based on one incident unless you can trace it back to a design, materials, or systemic manufacturing flaw.
I've got a 500 and an 870. I've never had a problem with the 500 but my 870's bolt has bound up at full lockup after firing a shell, basically making it useless. Neither gun is perfect and they've both got their advantages and disadvantages.

^The scope on there is probably a $50-100 scope. For the most part you can't get a decent scope for much less than $200. The only exception to that IMO is the Simmons whitetail classic.
I think you should save up for a nicer scope or not bother with swapping.

[Edited on March 4, 2011 at 11:43 PM. Reason : ]

3/4/2011 11:40:50 PM

I got a Mk III the other month and while it took a little getting used to, I really like it now. It has that 'tack driver' reputation and it's really an accurate gun. I've got the stainless 6 7/8", which in retrospect was probably a waste, it's a sexy gun. Living in a city, I do most of my shooting in ranges so it makes for a fun plinker thats easy on the wallet.

3/5/2011 12:51:27 AM

Took the concealed carry class today
Going downtown next week to fill out the paperwork

I do have a question though - for Wake county, can I do everything at the Sheriff's Records Office on Salisbury Street? I know some counties require you to go to the Sheriff's office and to the courthouse.

3/6/2011 12:50:02 AM

^ Yes. The digital fingerprinting that is also required is in the adjacent office. Everything is conveniently in one building and takes about 20 minutes.

[Edited on March 6, 2011 at 12:58 AM. Reason : .]

3/6/2011 12:57:41 AM

Awesome. Thanks. I thought everything was in the same building, based on the Wake co. website but wasn't entirely sure.

3/6/2011 2:00:19 AM

anyone going to shoot the 3 gun at DPRC next weekend?

3/6/2011 8:50:40 PM

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=28&t=107841

What is everyones opinion of Colts scrollwork for 2011 made guns? I'm pretty much set on a Colt XSE or Rail Gun, and I kinda like the 100th year logo.

3/6/2011 9:54:09 PM

Quote :

"It came with a 3-9x40mm that I believe may be originally manufactured by simmons. It seems okay, but it glares like a mother fucker, eye relief is really sensitive (are all optics this way or are some more forgiving in this department than others? I'm pretty new to optics.), and the glass lacks clarity under high power. Since I don't have a way to see what the scope costs independent of the rifle, I have a hard time judging its quality vs other stuff. Would it be worthwhile to upgrade if I want to cap my budget at $50-75? I know there is infinitely better glass out there, but I only want to bother if I'll get a lot of bang for my buck doing so. "

not for $75, but if you bump up to $100, you can get a nikon prostaff 3-9x40. i have two of them. they are good scopes for the money.

[Edited on March 7, 2011 at 8:00 AM. Reason : what is the savage chambered for?]

3/7/2011 8:00:02 AM

^^^Where's DPRC? I'm always down to shoot 3-gun

3/7/2011 5:08:12 PM

anyone want to buy any bowling pins?
I found a source for them, and will be in Apex area on thrusday if you want to meet up with me.

3/7/2011 6:54:01 PM

http://www.dprc.org/three_gun.html

looks like they are all booked.... they have had to go to a reservation system because they were getting so big. Cap is 75 ppl. You can still register and if they have anyone back out they move down the list.... you can also just show up... if there are any no shows you can take their spot.

3/7/2011 8:52:48 PM

^^How much?

[Edited on March 8, 2011 at 1:35 AM. Reason : ]

3/8/2011 1:12:29 AM

normally $.75 each.
But....They sold out yesterday, so it may be another month before I am able to get more.

3/8/2011 1:21:30 PM

About to buy my first handgun. Glock23. Woooooooooooooooo

3/8/2011 4:09:24 PM

G23C was my first, followed by a G27.
Good choice.

3/8/2011 4:15:47 PM

^^If you can stand a full size then I've got a Glock 22 I'll sell you.

[Edited on March 8, 2011 at 11:35 PM. Reason : This is Fumbler]

3/8/2011 11:35:06 PM

^^^i bought a Glock 23 about 7-8 months ago, original size, grips, etc

not something that I'd carry regularly but a very, VERY reliable gun

13+1 .40S&W is quality

3/9/2011 12:39:42 AM

With my work hours I'm not able to shoot as often as I would like; I've started doing a lot of dry firing during the evening. These videos are an excellent tool for transitions and whatnot:

http://www.predatortactical.com/cart.php?m=knowledgebase_detail&id=5


I hook an HDMI cable up to my TV and practice dry-fire. My wife thinks I'm nuts, but whatever. Also I've started recording myself on the draw and fire, malfunction drill and reloads to see where I'm slowed down by lack of economy in motion. I found out that I was going to a full isosceles before the pistol ever came out of holster, which was bringing my presentation times way down.

Anyway some helpful drills for IDPA crowd.

3/10/2011 7:06:49 PM

I am LOVING the savage mark ii I bought last week. I don't really consider myself a good shot, but I can do an 1" or so groups at 50yds with an improvised rest and bulk ammo. I figure I can get them below an honest inch when I find ammo it likes and get a decent set of bags...oh yeah, and learn to shoot worth a fuck.

tl;dr: Buy a Savage mark ii

3/10/2011 8:43:58 PM

My son Alex getting his first rifle


My daughter telling me what she wants...


[Edited on March 11, 2011 at 2:58 AM. Reason : .]

3/11/2011 2:57:54 AM

just a heads up--

went by Mark's Guns & Ammo in Dobson this week while visiting my mom in Mt. Airy, they've got a handful of Sig p250 packages they're letting go for cheap, if I'd brought my PPP I'd have one right now....but they'll have a spot at the March/April gun show.

comes with the pistol, two barrels (.40 and .9mm i think, the former designed for the .357sig cartridge), 3 mags, night sights, a case and a couple other things for $550, iirc

held it and did some dry-handling, feels GREAT, smooth as butter...would make a great CC complement to my 4506

anyway tell'em that long-haired dude on the honda sent ya


[Edited on March 11, 2011 at 3:22 AM. Reason : sadf]

3/11/2011 3:07:38 AM

would anyone be interested in getting a group buy on powder and/or primers together through somewhere like powder valley? their prices are pretty good, so 4 or 5 people splitting up the hazmat fee would still save you money and keep you from waiting until the gun show at the end of april. someone in raleigh would probably need to place the order. wouldn't make sense for all of y'all to drive up to roxboro to pick it up from me, but i pass through raleigh a lot.

[Edited on March 11, 2011 at 8:33 AM. Reason : i needz 8 lbs of varget and some other goodies]

3/11/2011 8:33:04 AM

^^very cute little girl, but I'm sure you explained the finger off the trigger idea after the pic was taken, right?

3/11/2011 9:44:31 AM

kinda why i don't like toy guns. puts them in the habit of pointing it at folks.

3/11/2011 9:53:00 AM

^ I dislike that argument. I was running around playing cops and robbers/ cowboys and indians with my cap guns growing up, then transitioned to target shooting with my pellet gun, then paintball and airsoft, and now real guns.
As long as parents teach their children the difference, then there isn't a problem.

3/11/2011 11:27:37 AM

Quote :

"As long as parents teach their children the difference, then there isn't a problem. "

agreed, but there are too many who don't

3/11/2011 11:40:40 AM

Countdown has started:
12 hours till my 2-day defensive carbine course starts.
http://defensiveconceptsnc.com/rifle.html#defensivecarbine

I'll to an AAR (after action report) when I get back and get my thoughts together, some time monday.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to feel like my ass was beat and that I'm incompetent. At least that is what I'm hoping in a small way. Then I will feel like I really learned a lot.

The course is 1k min of .223 and 300 min of pistol (.40).
This will be the first time really using my AR in anything but a static range, and I will get to see how well I actually built it, and if I set it up well, or stupid. I have already heard bad things about my optic mount that I am using, but I don't know if that is internet hype or fact.

Besides my training and practice regimen, I think what this course is going to convince me of is that I need a better trigger, more trigger time, and a lighter rifle (currently 9.2lbs unloaded).

3/11/2011 7:33:09 PM

I second the group powder purchase

PM sent

3/11/2011 8:15:06 PM

Sorry for the double post, but I have a separate question. I have like 60-70+ lbs of lead, most of which is WWs. I am thinking about casting, but I don't really think I want to make the commitment right now. Would any of you who cast trade me some 9mm cast bullets for this lead?

3/11/2011 10:28:48 PM

Quote :

"^^very cute little girl, but I'm sure you explained the finger off the trigger idea after the pic was taken, right? "

Ha, not so much with her. She's only two.
Although I've been reviewing the safety rules with my son and won't let him shoot without knowing them frontwards and backwards.

Now I need to get me a cheap .22lr Maybe a Marlin or 10/22...

3/11/2011 10:32:13 PM

^Marlin 795 for the best bang for the buck on a new gun. Dicks is doing the sale on them right now, and I think its $109 after rebate. Throw a scope on there and bang...killer gun. I have one that I love. Muuuuuuccchhhhhh more accurate than my 10/22, it does under 1/2" at 50yrds with match ammo. Quality control on the new Marlins being built at the Remington plant is shitty, some are good some are bad. Just ask to look at the different ones they have in stock and pick the best one.

Aside from that, a used Marlin 60 or 10/22 should come in at under $150. Older models are best, no plastic crap and better wood stocks.

3/12/2011 8:10:00 AM

Quote :

"12 hours till my 2-day defensive carbine course starts. http://defensiveconceptsnc.com/rifle.html#defensivecarbine"

If anything it will help you determine how better to adjust your kit for speed and maneuverability.

Also I looked over those instructors creds. Seems I could start running Carbine courses myself. Happy to see they are teaching Vickers Method though; you should learn aplenty.

3/12/2011 9:27:32 AM

Pistol Purchase Permit Questions:

1) I live mostly in Raleigh, but my Driver's License is still registered at my home address in Catawba County, not Wake. I'm assuming that this means that I have to apply for a permit at the Catawba County Sheriff's office instead of Wake County Sheriff's office. Is that correct? Does my DL address make me ineligible for a Wake County Pistol Purchase Permit?

2) If it does make me ineligible for a Wake County Pistol Purchase Permit, would it be possible to receive a permit in Wake County if I changed my DL to my Raleigh address? Would the fact that I live in an apartment make any difference?

3/15/2011 8:34:19 PM

why not just get it in catawba? probably easier to obtain it there.

3/16/2011 6:44:42 AM

I'm not normally in Catawba on weekday's or long enough at a time for the turn around time without having to make two trips...

3/16/2011 8:39:29 AM

With the price of gas, it'd be cheaper for you to pay for a new license than drive all the way home. Since you live here, it won't make any difference in getting the permit here.

Heck, I try to avoid catawba county as much as possible..

3/16/2011 9:14:11 AM

sounds like you should have a wake co. address on your license anyway

3/16/2011 9:28:28 AM

^possibly so, but with my lease expiring soon i believe i will be moving again soon...maybe i should just wait a few more months...

3/16/2011 2:49:23 PM

Looking at picking up a .22LR AR-15. Does anyone have any experience with the Colt M4-22 or the S&W MP15-22?

3/16/2011 3:10:25 PM

Neither of those two specifically, but I have a Spike's Tactical ST-22 upper. Works with the Ceiner-design mags and runs like a champ. Best part is you don't need a goofy dedicated lower like those, it can go on any standard lower out there.

3/16/2011 4:51:27 PM

Damn people are buying up these Mk III 24/45 rugers quickly. I got one stock watch email and 1 hour later they were all sold out. Then today, I got ANOTHER stock watch e-mail. 3 minutes later, I go to gallery of guns and they were all sold out, again. This is ridiculous...

3/16/2011 7:59:03 PM

Put a reflex sight on mine. It is working out pretty nicely so far, I am in love with this pistol

3/17/2011 10:38:42 AM

Have you had any issues with POI/POA being so different on such a short barrel?

3/17/2011 2:50:57 PM

not yet, I have shot at 15, 25 and 45 yards with it and am hitting consistently. That is a worry though until I can shoot it more

3/17/2011 3:12:08 PM

what does that ruger feel like compared to other models of comparable bore

3/17/2011 5:05:36 PM

This one balances very well in the hand and is giving me 1" groups at 25 yds. Honestly though I was set on this model as my Dad has a MkII that I have been shooting since I was 12.

I know that the Browning Buckmark and the one S&W makes are comparable in price and are good guns as well. But it is hard for me to compare, as I never really considered those guns.

3/17/2011 7:29:03 PM

Again, not to change the topic but...

http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-mares-leg.cfm

Another reflection of my childhood aspirations to be a cowboy. The .45 is way over priced but the .22 should fly off the shelves.

3/18/2011 3:15:54 AM

I just bought a Rossi Ranch Hand (Just about the same as that Mare's Leg) in .38/.357. Not a gun I needed but one I have wanted forever!

3/18/2011 6:53:01 AM

Are those classified as pistols? That's about as close as you'll get to a full-on SBR without a stamp, which is freaking awesome.

Just looked it up, and apparently yes, they are. I am buying one of those pronto.

[Edited on March 18, 2011 at 8:49 AM. Reason : .]

3/18/2011 8:45:24 AM